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Chief rabbi: Review Law of Return
Efrat Weiss
Published: 10.09.07, 12:04
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31. Josh , that's all ? thank you ? you are correct ?
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.10.07)
Some form of apologies had been welcome no ?
32. Josh just what religion is it you share with Charles???
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (09.10.07)
33. Paqid , a fake guy , with a fake site
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.11.07)
34. Josh
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.11.07)
There is something i want to teach you . If you want to tell stories you need a good memory . Not to tell one day you were converted in the USA , then later that it was here . I won't believe that you converted two times . Another point , why don't you have : Yehudi written on your second ID card ? If it was an error , you would certainly have returned to the interior minitry to have this corrected . There is one thing with this fake Jew , this paqid . He stocks all the tb's he think interesting him . So he can find everything you , or i , wrote . I said it more than once , your writings , the same as those from this paqid , rivka , dacon and some others have one point in common . They are NOT KOSHER , they smell something very TREIF , they hide their true goals and ideas . So better for you , and those others , to stay away from all the other honest people , be they TRUE religious Jews , secular Jews or even non Jewish honest people
35. David: Josh Brought Up His Conversion (Twice), Not Me
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (09.11.07)
In response to a respectful and well-justified request for clarification after Josh -- several times, apparently -- referred to his conversion while avoiding clarifying that it was an Orthodox conversion, Josh responded with arrogance, hate and leshon ha-ra. Josh brought it up and Josh should have clarified that it was Orthodox. Neither his response nor his tb is characteristic of a Torah-keeping Jew and is, rather, the attributes that give Torah and Judaism a bad name among the goyim; in other words, it's khilul ha-Sheim. To assert that I'm the same as those I criticize, and who spew hatred, puts you in the camp of Josh and Charles; and Charles' camp is demonstrably not a Torah camp. Your tb is no less arrogant, hateful and leshon ha-ra, no less UNcharacteristic of a Torah-keeping Jew and no less khilul ha-Sheim. In which Orthodox beit k'nesset do you pray regularly? Or are you a once-a-year, "Yom Kipper Jew" not unlike "Easter Christians"? PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Yom Shishi in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times on Yom Shishi. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
36. Charles/Paqman/David ...you are all soo wise
Josh   (09.11.07)
I am not swayed nor fooled by alias posting. Laughable. Charles, Paqid, David of Jerusalem, Kerin, etc. Are very much the same and of the same cloth -Christain. Do you think you fool anyone? Could a fool speak for G-d? "Welcoming Jews & non-Jews" - Ha It is a Batist Minister that I rememeber who used every deviant scheme he could to trick people. "snakes in the grass" NT Paqid/Charles/David, etc. are any or all of you Baptist Minister(s)? Ex-Baptist Minister(s)? Teaching people to accept your savior (false G-d, false propehet, false Messiah) Jesus/Yeshu/Rabbi Yehoshua? Of course I recognize you. I left you behind for the truth - Judaism not Christianity (makes you all mad) And although people would use you as a reason for toughening the law of return, all of you will face G-d for your breaking of Torah. What will he say? Leave the Law of Return as it is. There is no "fool" proof way to protect Israel from being surrounded by fools when the world is full of them. The Moshiac will work with G-d to straighten this out - one day. One G-d (learn to count gentlemen) one love. Do
37. To Josh in Jerusalem
Josh   (09.11.07)
Ignore the hate talk against you. It is directed at me and much of what is posted is lies or hatered. It is a fool that thinks Josh is not a common name and as you sign differently than I do - someone should have figured it out. I am Josh, a conservative convert. Not now nor have I ever claimed to be an orthodox convert, nor have I bought an orthodox conversion paper as I have been acused of by Charles. (Charles think about how ridiculous a claim that is- would I say I was conservative if I had Orthodox papers) Its pretty clear - for people who pay attention to the truth, that you are someone else. La shon harah is a good thing when the truth is that something is bad or dangerous. Do not confuse talking against G-d and not believing in his ability to deliver a war victory to the Hebrews with the concept of talking against closet Christians prettending to be Jews and Halacha athorities so that they can dupe Jews into following Jesus/Yeshu. It is funny to see Christians pposting on this talkback questioning Jews about the validity of their conversions and orgins of their Judasim. Commical and sad. I wonder if their false g-d Jesus posted here, would they attack his Judaism? Even according to their beliefs he is to return. Wonder what would happen if such a false prophecy happened and Jesus posted a comment on this site. To the Jews for Jesus closet Christians: Claiming you are a current praticing Jew, an Orthodox Jew, or an athiest, is without a doubt denying Jesus as those who believe in Jesus are not ashamed to say they are Christians. This shame, according to Christians will be called to account by Jesus. According to Christianity, Jesus will have to deny them from heaven for being so ashamed of Jesus that they would not admit they are part of the church and christianity - calling themselves Athiest and Orthodox Jewish Athorities. I myself, deny Jesus as the Messiah, a g-d, or as someone to follow. Lets see paqid, charles or David can make this same statement to prove they are Hashem One G-d Jewish persons. Dont hold your breath
38. #34 I'm not sure if you are aware.
Dara ,   Rosh Ha Aiyn   (09.11.07)
When made Alyiah from Canada 5 years ago, I had to prove my Jewishness and the long process of bureaucracy took 3 months! When I got to Israel and received my Todahat Zehut, it did not indicate that I am Jewish. I was upset about it, and called the Misrad Ha P'anim and told them. They were quick to inform me that they no longer indicate a person's religion on their ID as due to political correctness. From what I was lead to believe, the only way a Jewish person can be identified on their ID is their "Jewish" birthday will be present.
39. Paqid the fake Jew
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.11.07)
accuses TRUE Jews of telling lashon'hara . About this paqid you can't say lashon'hara , the ugliest words are still too nice for this fake Jew . And what's about this fraudulent heading of your site ? silent , silent . Maybe that you changed it , but it was a fraud as you are : A FRAUD
40. Josh the Goy (Conservative "convert") vs Josh fm Yerushalayi
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (09.11.07)
Josh fm Yerushalayim: Now you should understand why I requested clarification. You should have gladly been helpful to clarify instead of being insulting. Josh the Goy: my website has long stated not only that J*esus / Yesh"u ISN'T the, le-havdil, Mashiakh but declares that J*esus / Yesh"u is a Hellenist idol! (documented in a number of links in our "History Museum"). Like Charles and your ilk, you're either to lazy to read or unable to grasp complex ideas -- more likely both. Jews for Judaism has acknowledged the things I've been pointing out for years (see the link for Jews in our Home Page) that the authors being cited today learned from me. I began publishing these things in the early 1970s. Check the dates of the scholars being quoted who now say the same things. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Yom Shishi in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times on Yom Shishi. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
41. paqid and josh are both goyim like me
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (09.11.07)
only they have a piece of paper saying otherwise. what's the problem here?
42. looks like 36/37 is getting his white donkey ready
David ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (09.11.07)
43. #38 Thanks for the information
Josh   (09.11.07)
I see what you mean, my teudat has the hebrew birthdate
44. Dara , Rosh Haayn
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.11.07)
My ID card was issued on 10/10/2001 and mentionnes Yehudi and my Hebrew birth date . Thanks for this information , will verify with someone who had a new ID card this year . I had begon my Alyah procedures in Feb , and in July received my OK "besidour prati" . Had told the Jewish agency that i wanted to make Alyah in september , so there was no hurry
45. Josh # 37
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.11.07)
i have said it already more than once , your jossele is nothing for me . And who are you to ask a TRUE JEW as David and i are , to prove we are Jews , Not christians as you and this paqid are . Your tb's always stink the treifest possible [ treif=non kosher , not Jewish ] and you are only surpassed in think stinky by paqid
46. Josh , # 37 , the christian Who tries to fool Jews
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.11.07)
You were looking first for a GOOD conversion certificate , but it was maybe too expensive , so you went to conservative , who accept almost everyone , no ? But i'm sure that even they did't want to receive you , so you stay christian , that's all . Why did'nt you try the reforms ? they make it easier than anyone to "convert" to Judaism . You even don't have to know that writing is not permitted on Shabbat [ such a convert told it me , here on this site , he did'nt know it ] You have'nt any authority , being a non Jew , to ask a TRUE jew a proof of his Jewishness . And if you read my tb's you will see what i am , if you are not soo blind , and if you can understand what a TRUE Jew writes . Now , jossele , go to pray in your church . I'll wish you a happy new year in some months , not today .
47. Mike , this piece of paper
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.11.07)
is worthless for one , fake for the second . Both are hidden christians
48. Employee , # 40
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.11.07)
To go to your fake frauduleus site ? and to be infested by virusses ? not only are you , and your site [ i've seen it in a internet cafe , did'nt want to take risks ] fake frauds , but you are crazy to think that serious and TRUE jews , will do it .
49. Non-Jews must be bound to conform to the seven Noahide laws
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50. Boring attacks -JUST SAY IT CHUCKY
Josh   (09.11.07)
Charles say: "Jesus is not my Savior nor my G-d" You have posted 100 posts since my challenge each one avoiding the point like a poor politician. You have not posted these words yet. YOU CANT YOU CANT YOU CANT YOU CANT- Christain child admitted church goer. HA HA HA HA HA I laugh at your inability to stand up for your so called man-g-d and yourself and who you are. JUST SAY IT WITH THESE WORDS "Jesus is not my Savior nor my G-d" Attacking me will not take the spotlight off of you. We are all waiting.
51. 39 charles - paqid is not guilty of lashon ha-ra
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (09.11.07)
lashon ha-wierd or lashon ha-ridiculous is much more accurate.
52. to jossele the goyish christian
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.11.07)
Well , jossele on the cross i'll give you a "succaria" [ a lolly for a goy ] : your jesus is not a savior not a god , not for any TRUE Jew , so certainly not for me . But you will probably find some excuse , as a goy , to reject it , as you did not understand any of my other writings . Now , i'll still call you a goy , who claims he is Jewish . A goy with a stinking goyish writing . But i gave it to you , because i can do it , i'm a 100 % Jew , not a goy as you are . Have you 100 % Jewish children ? no , 100 % goyish they are . children that i certainly would not accept in my 100 % Jewish family , and in any other 100 % jewish family . I'll send you best wishes for your xmas .
53. Mike Israel: Self-confessed goy Christian immigrant
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (09.11.07)
self-identified as a Christian and "goy immigrant" (2006.11.28)
54. #52 Quit playing word games and say it
Josh   (09.11.07)
Charles say: "Jesus is not my Savior nor my G-d" Why do you say "my" jesus (small j) is not the savior. Do you think I wont catch your wordplay trick. I am talking about "Jesus" not my concept of him and I dont want to here you say "Josh''s" jesus (which I dont have). Say it already: Charles say: "Jesus is not my Savior nor my G-d"
55. to most of you here
alex ,   toronto, canada   (09.11.07)
guys, do you have any idea how insane most of you sound? it is all good to be "out and proud" Jew but to be arguing as to who is "real" and "better" jew is just absurd. the Law of Return was instituted to provide shelter to anyone who had been regarded as a jew by Nazi Germany, and thus never intended to be in conformity to halakha. From the very beginning Israel was founded as a secular state that upholds the separatness of state and religion. Moreover, its existence is not recognized by some ultra-orthodox groups. i think most of you, guys, need to wake up and smell coffee, or just need to get something useful to do rather than waste your breath proving that you are "true" jews....
56. To # 53 , paqid the goy
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.11.07)
At least we all know that Mike is not Jewish , he did'nt hide it , NEVER . Not as you , who is only telling this lie that you are an Orthodox jew . The same as this josh , and dacon . All not Kosher people , all who hide their true beliefs , their true job as christian missionaries
57. # 53 a paqid , a hidden goy
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.11.07)
tells that an honest non Jew is immigrant in Israel . Scruples are unknown to this employee , himself the most dishonest goy in the world
58. this goy christian immigrant's flattered you obsess about me
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (09.11.07)
and i'm sure you also documented how many times i have questioned your sanity based on the undoubtedly strange things you say and do. probably too many to recall, don't you think?
59. This talkback
Rina ,   Jerusalem   (09.11.07)
This talkback has become a forum for several nut cases who are ruining it for the rest of us.
60. Charles, "josh the non-Jew" thinks he is
David ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (09.11.07)
of great importance. He has stated that "you have seen no one like me" on a previous talkback. I think he has developed an industrial disease called the Jerusalem Syndrome. I think he believes he is actually "jesus". I can't wait to see him riding his little foul soon. ROFL at this nut.
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