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Evangelicals bring Iranian Jews to Israel
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Published: 22.10.07, 17:58
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31. they should up the grant --
poorjew ,   jm   (10.23.07)
life in israel is as expensive as europe. so $10,000 won't get you too far....... make it $100,000 and watch them pack up and come tomorrow....
32. Iranian Jews
Marilyn ,   USA   (10.23.07)
Although it might be a good idea, perhaps some discussion of pros and cons is warranted. One nice thing is that these people will have a good start in their new country. One gray area is if they are comfortable do they qualify for assistance?
33. convince Iranian Jews, why?
observer   (10.23.07)
Persian Jews, 30,000 are Iranians. US Jews , 6,000,000, are Americans. So, why not convince Iran & USA instead? Convince them whether or not baptized Jews could remain in the church !!
34. More dirty money
Josh   (10.23.07)
How many grandmothers were duped out of their fortunes by evangelists? This money is taken on false promises and wildly exagerated claims in the name of a Messiah that is a fraudulent claim that he matches prophecy. He does not. They scare the daylights out of people everyday hollering and shaking their hands about the pending doom. Now the money is used to move Jews out of Iran. Bless yo little ol heart! NOT! Good purpose handled by con men means one thing. They expect to recieve more contributions than the money they spent. They will now tell grandma they are the solution for anti-semitism and fighting the iranian tyrants. Get the Jews back and we will produce you a Jesus - is their promise. All will be right with the world. Call in now and help us save those poor Jews. Less our administrative fees of 85% and 10% bonus check to the good reverend. CON JOB - COMBO To quote a movie "Oh G-d" go sell earth shoes.
35. Are you kidding???
Jesuslover ,   USA   (10.23.07)
How can Jewish people not see that Christian truly do love them, just as God loves them??? Christian's want Jews out of harms way and this is bad?? We may not see eye to eye on everything, but make no mistake true Christians love and want to protect Jews because we feel called to. If you choose to hold distrust in your heart, that is a terrible choice. We are your friends, even if you aren't ours and we love Jews even if they don't love us!
36. Dear JEWS
Psalm ,   Paris   (10.23.07)
We say Messiah has come, you say he hasn't. We say Messiah was crucified, died and rose again for our sins. We say Messiah ascended to Heaven and will return IN THE CLOUDS: the Son of Man and the Son of God. We tell you that you cannot have eternal life without faith in Jesus Messiah's redemption. We say Jesus is God. You reject this. We will not kill you for this. We say that the LORD God of Abraham has not forgotten you. He has not cast you off forever. The land is yours, according to His UNCHANGING Word. He is not man that He should lie... Many of You reject this simple faith that we followers of Christ have in the Heavenly Father's promise to Israel. We say that your enemies are many. Have you not read of Ishmael and Edom and the many with them? Have you not heard that the leader of Iran speaks of death- your death? Have you forgotten that Hitler spoke with such ease? Will you ignore the warning in the Scriptures and rely on false promises of human peace? Did not Europe sleep while Hitler boasted of your near destruction? Did not many false Christians indulge Hitler- like their indulging Iran today? Dear Jews, have you forgotten that it has always been the LUNATIC Christians who have laid down their resources, prayers and lives to help you- while many called them mad? Have you so easily forgotten Corrie Ten Boom and others who shared concentration camps with YOU!? They did this while those you considered "sane, moderate, tolerant" lounged with Hitler... We say your enemies are determined. You say we are trying to scare you into conversion. No Christian has ever converted anyone. It is the Spirit of God Who converts people. We say we have nothing to gain from any human by helping you. Nothing but hatred and scorn from the "tolerant" who could not careless about God's Word to you. Someone gave up something to make this money available for the Iranian Jews. Hard earned money given to help you find refuge. But, for some reason, you prefer to live amongst and believe those who give their money for any cause aimed at destroying you. Still WE say...
37. GOD BLESS THOSE CHRISTIANS.
NURIT ,   ISRAEL   (10.23.07)
you must always remember that its the god of israel that is going to reward you and not the jews. if the like you or dont it doesnt matter god knows who you are.
38. Convert?
Scot ,   mi   (10.23.07)
The mission is simply to live the life and tell the story to make disciples. Many times we overdo the mission. So, here it is, "the Kingdom of Heaven is here, and it looks like people helping other people get out of harms way."
39. rivka #28-Igor #16 is right.
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (10.23.07)
You seem a bit disturbed.Excuse-me , truth hurts! Those recomending your TBS are as disturbed as you.
40. Jews must believe in Messiah, and the re-gathering...
Norway   (10.23.07)
of the Twelve Tribes. The Rambam says: "Anyone who does not believe in moshiach, or not look forward to his coming, denies not only the teachings of the other prophets, but also those of the Torah and of Moshe our teacher." The re-gathering of the Tribes of Israel is one of the signs of the moshiach in Judaism. "The messianic king will arise in the future and restore the Davidic Kingdom to its former state and original sovereignty. He will build the Sanctuary and gather the dispersed of Israel. All the laws will be reinstituted in his days as they were aforetimes, sacrifices will be offered, and the Sabbatical Years and Jubilee Years will be observed as by Torah." Sanhedrin 110b - Bemidbar Rabba 16: 25: "The ten tribes of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, exiled by the Assyrians before the destruction of the Temple, and dispersed beyond the river ambation and the 'Mountains of Darkness' will also return." Rashi says regarding Shiloh: In the blessing over Judah in Genesis 49:9-12, Jacob prophesied of a coming one from Judah called Shiloh, and to him would be the Gathering (obedience) of the peoples. The rabbis says this is speaking of the messiah. "This (Shiloh) means the messianic king, for the kingdom is his." Thus saith the Lord GOD: BEHOLD, I WILL LIFT UP MY HAND TO THE NATIONS, AND SET UP MINE ENSIGN TO THE PEOPLES, AND THEY SHALL BRING THY SONS IN THEIR BOSSOM, AND THY DAUGHTERS SHALL BE CARRIED UPON THEIR SHOULDERS. Isaiah 49:22 http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1049.htm As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out, WILL I BE KING OVER YOU, and I will bring you out from the peoples, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with fury poured out; and I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples... and there will I plead with you face to face... Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. Ezekiel 20:33-36 http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1220.htm
41. #35 what about if they don't love US?
observer   (10.23.07)
42. #36 our favorite; we love you both
Muslim   (10.23.07)
43. Josh #34
(10.23.07)
Josh, Yeshua loves you regardless of your sick heart. He will remove the hate if you will let Him.
44. Keren # 39 , This time i fully agree with you
charles ,   petach tikva   (10.23.07)
45. What do we gain from your "conversion"?
Joshua David ,   Daytona Beach FL USA   (10.23.07)
Oh my brothers and sisters of God, my Jewish friends. These comments hurt. But I know that what you speak is only coming from the scales upon your eyes. What would we, the Christians, gain from your "conversion"? It is only God who can change your heart, not any human being. I will continue to pray, you find Jesus as the Messiah before the time of Jacobs trouble. There is a chance to escape, you know it is near. read the words of Ezekiel, he has made it clear, your enemies seek to devour you, God is your only protection and His son, your only hope!
46. Keren , your # 3
charles ,   petach tikva   (10.23.07)
....christianity has brought only deaths and sufferings , especially for Jews . You wrote . Without true Christians who were hidding Jews [ and even risked their lives ] , there would have been hundreds of thousands more Jewish victims during the Shoa . Don't forget it please .
47. To #41 -Don't lump us all together, please.
Jesuslover ,   USA   (10.23.07)
There is always some people who do not love others or act as if they do because of some agenda, but I believe that true born again Christians do love Jews. And do not mix someone who is born again with the Catholics, for their dogma doesn't even believe God changes people into born again people. True Christians were persecuted by the Catholics, as well and I think Jews may lump all of us together as persecuters from history. Born again believers are not people who hate or want to persecute others. We want God's will to be done on earth as it is in heaven and for all to come to saving faith. I don't mean this as some Catholic bash session, but was just making one post that covers some of the other topics posted here. I love Catholics, too and pray that they stop their Mary idolatry which is a direct offense to the 2nd commandment, for God wants all praise/praying going to Him the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
48. #7 is paranoid
Jesuslover ,   USA   (10.23.07)
I am not meaning this to be mean, but your comment is laughable. It's true that True Christians want God to open everyone's eyes to the Truth of the gospel, but we understand that it is God's job not ours. God converts, people cannot. The facts are the facts. Jesus is Lord whether people want to believe or not, and I pray all come to the Truth. No one needs to worry, for all who wish to stay blind will be granted that wish unless God decides otherwise.
49. So ungrateful! So mean spirited!
Wow! ,   Whatanattitude!   (10.23.07)
Could it be that these evangelicals so deeply believe the bible and the prophecies concerning the Jewish people, that they want to do all they can to SAVE Jewish people from another possible holocast? Could it be that their love for the God of Israel compells them to help? Shame on you!!!
50. Joshua of Daytona beach
charles ,   petach tikva   (10.23.07)
Please hold your preaches for your churches . You can believe in your god and his son how much you want it , but we don't want nor need them . And i'm at all not a believer , but certainly not in your beliefs , i'm Jewish . Don't forget that you are on a Israeli Jewish site
51. God bless YOU Nurit, Israel !
Abel Shoni ,   France   (10.23.07)
52. Dear Charles
Abel Shoni ,   France   (10.23.07)
I was just thinking of my dear father. He would have been so happy to read your talkback. Tous ses amis disaient qu'il était la crème des hommes. Si dieu existe, peut-être l'a-t-il embauché comme mécanicien de route sur sa belle locomotive à vapeur et qu'il fait faire des tours de train au Seigneur... Dear Charles, thank you for your saying it. Have a nice week. Kind regards to your family.
53. #52 Charles
Ephraim ,   Diaspora   (10.24.07)
Charles Charles Charles! Once again you act like the ynet police. Do you work for them? Don't you think that if they didn't want certain posts released they would not release them. You take it upon yourself to tell everyone who thinks differently than you that they are not welcome. Maybe it is you that is not welcome. Must everyone sign in with you and get your approval before they state their opinion. I pray that someday you will wake up and realize that the hate in your heart is only harming you. Now I guess you will tell me to go elsewhere to preach. Well, the answer is no Charles because I can't find another forum that needs it as much as this one. If you wish to reject Yeshua as your Messiah, that is your business but quit telling everyone else what to believe.
54. end time!!!!!!
maria ,   usa   (10.24.07)
God is regathering His chosen people as the bible says . romans 11:26 and so all israel shall be saved:as it is written, there shall come out of zion the DELIVERER, and shall turn away ungodliness from jacob:27 for this is my covenant unto them,when I shall take away their sins.
55. so what if the evangelicals want to convert us!
maria   (10.24.07)
you hear all about Him now.......in the latter days,if He comes,you won't believe on Him.God will bring strong delusion so that you believe a lie.while you can,believe on Him now,the Messiah had come 2000 years ago.
56. #10 rivka....I agree with you there......
maria   (10.24.07)
you're right about that......america is a dangerous place for jews and christians.americans had kicked God Almighty out in pubic schools in early 60's.they listened to the voice of madelyn o'hare murray[not sure about her last name].now,immorality is in public schools.we have to deal with the aclu also.[they're offended with the cross and the name [of ]God].under God is removed from pledge of allegiance.
57. igor and keren.........rivka was right?
maria   (10.24.07)
may I add...........osama bin laden wanted americans to be converted to islam....really,the usa is in big trouble......she needs to wake up.911 woke her up,but she went back to slumber again.
58. God will deal with them ...all in one time.
maria   (10.24.07)
in their own land....He shall turn away ungodliness from jacob[israel].
59. # 26
Nada Saleh ,   usa   (10.24.07)
"Better job, opportunity and a better life"? You obviously aren't talking about "Israel". Because in "Israel", first rate physicians are working as housekeepers, and Holocaust survivors living under pauverty line and many of them already immigrated to Germany because they live a "better life" there. Also, there isn't anything like "better life" in "Israel", because you always have to take the safety issue into consideration. You know in the last aggression against Lebanon, Haifa got under fire. Recently Hizbollah declared they have rockets that can reach ANY SPOT in "Israel" (meaning Eilat included). On the other hand, the Jews are welcomed, protected, and respected in Iran. They declare themselves that they are safe in there. And as we all know, Iran has nothing against Jews, but against Zionists and "Israel" because they are occupying a land that belongs to another people and are committing crimes against humanity. On the other hand, most of the Iranian Jews actually refused such disgusting offer: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/881714.html "An Iranian Jewish organization announced over the weekend that it rejected an initiative to compel Iran's Jewish community to immigrate to Israel using cash incentives. It added Iran's Jewish community has remained loyal to the Islamic Republic and that their 'Jewish Iranian identity is not a commodity that passes from the hands of one merchant to another in return for money.'"
60. Evangelical Bribes
Mohammed Choudhury ,   London, UK   (10.24.07)
These Evangelicals must be really dumb in offering bribes - the Jews in Iran have always had freedom to come and go to Israel. If they wanted to leave they would have gone a long time ago. In a report by the Guardian, UK - it was reported that ex-pats were offering Jews up to £30,000 (approx US$60,000) to move to Israel. http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2125154,00.html Iran's sole Jewish MP, Morris Motamed, said the offers were insulting and put the country's Jews under pressure to prove their loyalty. "It suggests the Iranian Jew can be encouraged to emigrate by money," he said. "Iran's Jews have always been free to emigrate and three-quarters of them did so after the revolution but 70% of those went to America, not Israel." Israel is not so special for Jews after all!
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