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Rabbi: Cleanse country of Arabs
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 27.11.07, 10:36
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151. USA! the delusioned and confused...
Alexander ,   Herzliya, Israel   (12.02.07)
..guy with zero per cent understanding of what I am saying. Being born and raised on a piece of land doesn't mean you own the land nor that you have the right to live there nor that you are innocent. Jews have lived in Europe for 2000 years but the European nation states don't belong to the Jews, the Jews never threatened the European nation states' existence with demographic warfare, nor were the Jews armed, they had no armies, very seldom they had democratic rights and the Jews very often contributed economically, culturally and scientifically to the European host nations. Despite the fact that Jews constituted 1% of Germany's population, Jews constituted 50% of the intelligentsia. Answer my questions moron: Was the USA "democratic" when it applied apartheid against Blacks until the 1950s and 1960s? Israel is the only nation on this planet that rescued Blacks from Africa-Ethiopia, not to enslave them like the Americans did, but to liberate them, and Israel did the right thing. Is Alexander "anti -democratic" now? Moron... Was the USA "democratic" when it put innocent American Japanese in camps during WW2? Was the USA "democratic" when it killed millions of Native Americans/Indians? No, my dear moron, but that doesn't bother you - right? And was it democratic when millions of people were exchanged and moved across the borders of Finland-Russia, Pakistan-India and Greece-Turkey decades ago? I demand your answer to ALL these questions. Moron.... Don't you hear good? The Arabs of Judea and Samaria don't want to live there, 70% would leave for money and they would demographically destroy Israel, they hate Israel, they love Hitler and Nazism, they love butchering Jews and blowing up Jews on buses, and those are the Arabs that you want to give democratic rights?! Are they suddennly angels, Mother Teresas and innocent lambs because they happen to be Arabs? Are Arabs allowed to conquer, enslave and terrorize the entire world - because they happen to be Arabs? Israel offered the Arabs land for peace 8 times. Arabs don't own the land, never had a state there, 70% would leave for money, Israel's existence is at stake without Judea and Samaria as Israel is approximately 20-30 kilometers wide at an average between Mediterranean Sea and West Bank(Judea/Samaria) and without Judea and Samaria, Israel has indefensible borders, because any army can cross into Israel and destroy everybody and everything, if Israel's border is so narrow, and as long Arabs live there, Israel cannot keep the territory because the Arabs are in majority, and if Israel doesn't keep the land, Israel has indefensible borders. As Abba Eban, a former Israeli politician put it, "Auschwitz borders".
152. AL, poor thing
USA!   (12.02.07)
Let us look closer at your arguments: "Being born and raised on a piece of land doesn't mean you own the land nor that you have the right to live there " Classic. Twisting individual realities against national. Do you mean that individual arabs, that in fact own their piece of land ,is entitled to stay in Israel or Judea and Samaria? Or do you mean that "races" own land? Does that mean that people in US one day can find themselves in a situation that indians take power and want to cleanse the country? It is 2007. As you know, Hitler claimed historical aryan homeland. He was wrong, he and other nazis, fascists, nationalists will allways be wrong. Next: "Israel is the only nation on this planet that rescued Blacks from Africa-Ethiopia /... Is Alexander "anti -democratic" now? Moron... " All over Europe and USA live hundreds of thousands people from Ethiopia, Somalia, Ghana...Did you think Israel was the only country in the world hosting refugees? And what has refugees got to do with democracy? Next: "Was the USA "democratic" when it put innocent American Japanese in camps during WW2? Was the USA "democratic" when it killed millions of Native.../.... And was it democratic when millions of people were exchanged and moved across the borders of Finland-Russia, Pakistan-India and Greece-Turkey decades ago? This is 2007. Evil historical events bothers me, of course. But that does not have any kind of relevans in dealing with the present problems in another part of the world. This is what I mean with "begging the world to look in another direction". One fault does not make the other less wrong. Nice try. But rather stupid. Next: "The Arabs of Judea and Samaria don't want to live there, 70% would leave for money and they would demographically destroy Israel," What was the actual question? Live in Judea and Samaria under Israel rule with no rights what so ever? Or live there in their equal right? And how much money would they be offered. If I was poor and offered a huge sum, well I would concidering move too. Rather stupid and fault argument. Look who's talking here. Your referring to arabs as a whole, not individuals, and you are telling me that they as a whole would destroy Israel just because they are arabs. Are you sure you don't prefer a brown shirt? Next: "they hate Israel, they love Hitler/...they love butchering Jews.../...Are Arabs allowed to conquer, enslave and terrorize the entire world - because they happen to be Arabs? Here we have the typical racist argument. "They". All arabs in one big sack, no individuals, no sisters, mothers, fathers, brothers, just thes ARABS that are murderous, and they all eant to destroy and kill. Com ON. This is not a argument either. Next: "Arabs don't own the land, never had a state there, 70% would leave for money," Mixing again. Individual owners, or "race" that owns a country? If someone do not own land in a country. Could he been thrown out? If peole living in a area of the world does not have a state, it's all right to drive them away? Do you live in year 1600-1800???? Stupid argument (and another stupid argument repeated). Next: "Israel's existence is at stake without Judea and Samaria as Israel is approximately 20-30 kilometers wide.../ and without Judea and Samaria, Israel has indefensible borders..." So, every single small country in the world should use this argument of yours to start a war? Stupid again. Next: "as long Arabs live there, Israel cannot keep the territory because the Arabs are in majority, and if Israel doesn't keep the land, Israel has indefensible borders." What does this mean? Do you want to drive the arabs away in order to get defensible borders? Is that your FINAL SOLUTION? Horrfying argument, and of course, stupid.
153. cleanse them too
truth ,   NY, USA   (12.02.07)
We should just cleanse the middleeast of the Jews and send them over to the US or back to Germany. The world would be a better place in that case too. Stupid idiots like this rabbi talk only because they are mentally incapable of shutting their mouth up. Its these hypocrites that make peace impossible in the middleeast. Not only will they hurt themselves and their enemies, they are about to end this whole world with their ridiculous religious fundamentalism.
154. To nr 153 - the world should be cleansed from..
Alexander ,   Herzliya, Israel   (12.02.07)
...people of your kind, as you anti-Semites have embarked upon a policy of dehumanazing Jews and denying Jews the same rights and freedom that most nations on this planet take for granted. You can protest as much as you want to, but we Jews will exist long long after the last anti-Semite has passed away, and believe me, if anti-Semites don't leave Israel alone, that might come true sooner then you think.
155. To nr 152, my poor thing and confused thing...
Alexander ,   Herzliya, Israel   (12.02.07)
Arabs flooded Israel between the late 1800s and early 1900s with the explicit intention to prevent the creation and reeastblishment of the state of Israel. I refer to "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters. The Arab connection the land, on the national level , and not on the individual level I remind you, never existed. There is no Arab love or passion for Israel - including Judea and Samaria. They built no agriculture and no industry. Israelis/Jews did. Being a minority population is not an indicator of your moral compass, minorites just like majorities can display hostile and aggressive behavior. You said that we should make a difference between Arab individuals and the Arab collective. In order for an Arab collective to exist, there must be Arab indivduals making up the collective. Yuo are not thinking it through logically. And yes indeed, there is avery small minority among Israeli Arabs, I believe 10% of them, that would display a loyal and peaceful behavior towards Israel. I have no problem with them. But the statement that Arabs want to live in Judea and Samaria is utter nonsense, because of the following reasons: 1) They never had a state in recorded human history nor do they have any state today. 2) They never bought the land. 3) They never built any industries or agruculture there. 4) The Koran mentions Jerusalem zero times. The Bible mentions it 700 times. 5) The Prophet Muhammed never set his foot in Jerusalem. King David of Israel established his capital in Jerusalem about 1000 B.C.E. 6) The Arab interest in the land of Israel was awoken only when Jews started to return and immigrate in great numbers in the 1800s to Israel - the Jews' patrimony. Why was the Arab interest awoken first when Arabs saw possibilities of work and better salaries in Jewish cities and when the Arabs realized that they could prevent the rebirth of a Jewish state by flooding the land in hundreds of thousands, with the assistance of the British, the same British that kept Jews out from Israel? 7) Territorial concessions will not bring peace, in the same way as territorial concessions and concessions in general will not bring peace to any democracry trying to appease the feelings of a dictatorship. Chamberalin tried to appease Hitler, the rest is history. 8) If the purpose of letting the Arabs staying in Judea and Samaria is to grant them democratic rights, I am afraid you are wrong. When Israel handed over land to Arafat in the early 1990s, the Arabs killed each other in great numbers and PLO/Arafat imposed dictatorship, tyranny, arbitrary trials and ferocious death penalties to innocent Arabs. Europeans and Americans never brought Africans to their countries to liberate them, the Africans came their either as slaves or as immigrants. Israel on the contray flew into Ethiopia and liberated them. There is a difference. What refugees got to do with democracy? Would dictatorships accept refugees? Not likely. You asked a very stupid question and it is stupid of you that you can't tell the difference between the USA/Europe receiving African slaves or immigrants begging to stay, and Israel inviting them. You admit that USA commited atrocities against the Japanese and that you regret it and you said that one injustice does not justify another injustice. I agree,
156. AL: new
USA!   (12.03.07)
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