I know. You know all the facts like the 'Palestinians ' are a real nation and they're the original: a. Canaanites, or b. Phillistines, or c. the real Jews d. all of the above + they discovered America; invented 0 and wrote Hamlet , too. The Jews of cause are: a. Slavs b. Khazars c. Russians d. all of the above Your logic goes right with that that Abraham wasr really a Muslim, only the world had failed to notice it for over 2000 years until Muhammad did.

It is only that Jews have no rights, civil or religious, in any of the Arab countries. Jordan doesn't even permit Jews to live within its borders. Racism, anyone?

The fact that the British failed to fulfill their obligations and disregarded all responsibilities of the mandate doesn't mean that they had any legal right to do so -- it only shows that they had the military might behind them vis-a-vis the defenseless Jews, who had no power . The facts that Faisal declared the treaty moot only proves the point that one shouldn’t put too much trust in treaties in general and especially NEVER rely on any treaties and agreements with the Arabs. And that’s why Jews should NEVER trust anyone where their safety, wellbeing and protection of their rights are concerned. The betrayal first by Europe and now by the U.S. and Canada and the rise of the new anti-Semitism only prove that point and that is why Israel should not relinquish an inch of the land to the Arab terrorists squatting on their land.

I will address the points made in post #7 in order of their occurrence: I presume that Dr. Yoram Shifftan did not mention the Fourth Geneva Convention, because although the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that it in effect applied, in truth it has no direct application to Judea and Samaria under international law. Since the Fourth Geneva Convention does not apply under international law, please be more specific regarding the refugee issue in international law. Resolution 242 spoke of a "refugee problem" without qualification, so even you would agree it would apply equally to Jewish refugees who fled Arab countries. You seem to think the Arab "inhabitants" had implicit sovereignty. This is a common Arab myth and since other experts have already disposed of it, I do not want to belabor the point. Putting the Feisal-Weizmann agreement aside, Feisal was the authorized representative of the Arab national movement including the Arabs of Palestine at the Paris Peace Conference. In two official memoranda submitted to the Peace Conference, he excluded Palestine from the territories demanded by the Arab national movement. [The full citation is Nathan Feinberg, The Arab-Israel Conflict in International Law (A Critical Analysis of the Colloquium of Arab Jurists in Algiers) (1970), reprinted in Studies in International Law 454-55 (1979).] I assume the Mandate for Palestine superseded the Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916. There is no doubt whatsoever that the Mandate was a valid act of international law. This is not the time to go into the legality of the Churchill White Paper to which you refer. Rather I would point out that the Churchill White Paper said that the San Remo Resolution "is not susceptible of change," and the San Remo Resolution de-facto granted national rights exclusively to the Jewish people. The third paragraph of your post is vague, so I have to give three interpretations: 1. There is no doubt whatsoever that the British actions to restrict Jewish entry into Palestine under the British White Paper of 1939 violated the terms of the Mandate, if this is what you are referring to. 2. Or are you referring to the fact that the British aided the Arabs in the 1948 war against the Jewish state, which prevented Jews from settling Judea and Samaria during the period when Jordan illegally occupied it? It goes without saying that these actions were illegal. 3. Or are you referring to the memorandum approved by the League Council on July 24, 1922 that in effect created a Transjordanian province of the Palestine Mandate? This is not the time to go into its legality. The legal status of the Feisal-Weizmann agreement notwithstanding, you largely overlooked paragraph 2 in Dr. Yoram Shifftan's article. In this context, Att. Howard Grief said, "[T]he doctrine of estoppel applies . . . to all Arab states whose own creation under international law derived from the very same global settlement made by the Principal Allied Powers at San Remo and Sevres which led to the establishment of the Jewish State. The Arabs cannot gleefully accept national rights accorded them under this settlement while at the same time denying them to the Jewish People." Feisal did include a reservation in the Feisal-Weizmann agreement, so I will stipulate that what you said regarding what Feisal contended is accurate. Please provide us with a citation though so I can have it for future reference. Apart from what I said in this post, it goes without saying that I cannot vouch for factual assertions or interpretations made in Dr. Yoram Shifftan's article or any other comments made in the aforementioned posting. I will check back later and see if anyone can find any verifiable errors in my posting.

I hate to be one to find an error in my own posting, but the memorandum mentioned in my previous posting was not approved on "July 24, 1922." That was the date the Mandate itself was confirmed. The memorandum was presented to the League Council on September 16, 1922 and it was subsequently approved.

... is a very strange concept in the mouth of someone who will go against any Jewish and Zionist concept by removing his own children and grandchildren from Israel. Advocating zionism, and supporting and financing concretely the removal of Jewish children from Israel seems to me to be very troublesome and inbdeed puts in question any credibility on antywords uttered by his pseudonym Shiftan, to hide better behind a cloud of illusions and nonsense.

Where is the "right of refugees" written in "international law"? Or there descendents? Or the people they married? As for the all non-Jews being "forcefully transfered", they haven't been. You may not realise that Israel has over a million Israeli arabs. It is also a fact that following arab violence starting in 1919, the British started pandering to them. It shaved off Trans-Jordan. It gave the Golan to Syria. The halting of Jewish immigration - a contributing factor to the Holocaust - was again a response to the Arab revolt of 1936-1939. Faisal may have considered the treaty moot but then again he was simply laying down a long and not so proud tradition of not keeping his responsibilities whilst demanding "rights".

The only reason we have a country is because we won the war of 1948. The reason the country still exists is because of the IDF. We are a country with or without the UN. The only way we will lose our country is by the way our dysfunctional political system is weakening the country for selfish political motives or delusional leftist ideology.

100% Shabbat Shalom

his name. He was a moslem when his name was Abram. Look it up. He worshipped the moon god. Just as on top of every mosque is a ?.....moon just as the ancient arabic moon god was named allahi and its idol was the one item in the kabba not destroyed my muhamad. They are one and the same.

The temple of king solomon, king of the ?.....JEWS It matters not if a pagan temple, a christian church, or a moslem mosque were on it......it was and always will be a site of the one true G-d, the G-d of the Israelites...... If the moslem try and usurp king solomon by saying he was moslem.....so what?....they are wrong. If they say Jesus was a moslem? they are wrong again. If they say abraham was a moslem, wrong again.....if they claim holy sites of others by claiming a dream told them it was moslem.....gues what? wrong! I am tired of imposters trying to claim an inheritance they have no part in at all. It is akin to outright theft and deception

The land from the sea to the river is Israel, and shall be forever.... The arabs that live there are guests, and as such should be treated fairly and well. But if a guest in your house tried to steal or turned on you and attacked your family? Even a non violent pacifist, would ask them to leave.......

There are some points in my above posting I want to be extra careful about. I need to do it on IsraPundit so you can verify my identity if the editor of that site consents to do a post on Dr. Yoram Shifftan's article. Please stay tuned to that site.

One of the dumbest articles I've ever read is this Zionist apology for continual expansion. If you will notice, Shiftan is not a lawyer or historian..he is a "scientist"... "specializing in "Jewish rights in accordance with inernational law.." In other words, he is as qualified to offer an authoritative opinion as any other schmuck on the street.

Interesting and completely WRONG! I won’t try to correct your folly judging by ignorant you Zionists are. Instead, how about a little lesson on your own religion? Several actually. Let us take a look at the pagan symbols for male: a triangle pointing up; for female, it’s an upside down triangle. Fused together (since Pagans saw transcendence through you-know-what) and you get: the Star of David! Next lesson: 20% of you Israelis believe in God; yet 90% of you claim the God that you don’t believe in gave you this land, which is extremely strange. While you people claim to be a monotheistic religion, you can still be atheists (including Ben-Gurion, an advocate of socialism) and be Jewish at the same time. So what conclusions can we make? Zionism is a blend of Fascism (national socialism) in that you people see yourselves as above God; and second, Zionism is Communism (international socialism) in that you do not believe in God (to add: first aliyah immigrants, Karl Marx, the two spies that gave the Soviets American nuclear secrets, and many others were Jewish and Socialist). Deal with that you Zionist fiends! FREE PALESTINE! ! فلسطين حرة

SHALOM; Israel is a people to whom GOD made a covernant[Gen.12.1-3,Daniel 9.24-27,Isaiah 45.15-25,Jere.30-33,Luke 19-24,Acts 1-4,Romans 9-11,Hebrews 1-13 etc.].There is no fire sale for any territory given to Israel[Joel 3].Yeshua will restore all [Zech 9.9,13.6-8,12-14].John

The United Nations is the legal succesor of the League of Nations, fully authorised to overtun any decision of the League of Nations. The partition resolution of November 29, 1947 - exactly sixty years ago - rendered all these documents you quote null and void. So please put them back in the rubbish heap from which you dragged them.

Clearly it is you do not understand international law at all. The Geneva Convention does not apply to land that you own. We own all the land West of Jordan. So your claim that Professor Shiftan is selective is wrong, it is you that are selective. The Geneva Convention doesn't nor has it ever applied in Judea or Samaria.

the professor needs 2 re-read the international law n understand it... feel pity 4 him

Not only are the US, the EU and assorted nations outlaws by demanding Israel give up ANY land, but Israel's leaders are the WORST offenders. For IF they were to stand by our patrimony, and uphold all these legal precedents, there would not be a damn thing the world could do to make them capitulate. Of course the US could threaten Israel, as they have done many times. However, let's be clear. Israel gives more to the US than the US gives to Israel. All the aid comes with huge strings attached, most of which is plowed back into US coffers. Further, Israel is now able to sustain itself financially if the US jumps ship. Of course it would be better to have the US in Israel's corner. But truth be told, Israel is only useful to the US under certain circumstances. Better to stand on its own two feet than to give into blackmail. Further, the Arabs have the oil and that IS that.

Interesting and COMPLETELY WRONG! I will not try to correct your folly since Islam is something impossible for Zionists to learn. Instead, how about a lesson on your great religion? 1. The pagan symbol for male is a triangle pointing upwards. The female symbol is an upside down triangle. Fused together (since pagans found transendence through... you know what) and you get: the star on the Zionist flag! 2. Judaism is considered an Abrahamic and therefore monothiestic religion; however, you can be Jewish and an atheist at the same time. How can this be? Worse: 15% of Israeli Jews believe in God, while 90% believe that the God they don't believe in gave them the land between the Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea. Wierd? In other words, this fact, along with that "chosen people" myth, enforces the belief that you are "above" God, a key characteristic of fascists. 3. The word Israel= three pagan/ Egyptian false Gods: Is(us) Ra El. So shame on you for calling Islam a pagan religion. You fear what you don't understand, which could lead to stereotypes. And Arabs are guests you say? Whatever happened to them being a "ticking time bomb", a "fifth column", or "kooshim"? I know in your heart that you just want them to die/ vanish/ be expelled. It's in your last sentence...and in the second step of the grand Zionist plan...FREE PALESTINE! ! فلسطين حرة

Thanks for the history lesson, but this is a NON-STARTER....We accepted partition in 1948 and we need to accept it now. The Palestinians deserve their own state in the WB and Gaza. This guy is our version of the Palestinians who think they have a right to "return" to Tel Aviv. Its bullshit.

At least twe have a history of compromising with neighbors who are honest about peace. The Irgun poster was a correct reference to historic Palestine, and nobody here wants Jewish settlement in Amman. So calm yourself, take a deep breath and stop fanning the flames of fanaticism with your inflammatory bullshit. Most of us over here want compromise and if there EVER rises a Palestinian leader with the balls to compromise and the strength to deliver on a compromise there will be peace with us. Yoram Shiftan is no different than arab MORONS (perhaps you are one of these???) who thinks "Freeing Palestine" means flooding the Jewish State with millions of Muslims all the way to Tel Aviv. Ignoring the Jewish people as a nation entitled to soveirgnty in our own land. 2 States for 2 Peoples is what eventually will happen. Shiftan may provide solice to a bunch of wind-bag talkbackers on Ynet but he has no influence on Israeli policy and his views are far from the hearts and minds of a solid majority of Israelis. What do you advocate byt the way?

SEE WW2. IF THE ALLIES WOULD HAVE LOST THE WAR...THIS WORLD WOULD BE DRENCHED IN A LOT MORE BLOOD! MAYBE THIS WORLD IS OVERDUE FOR A ANOTHER WORLD WAR IN ORDER TO CALM PEOPLE DOWN!THE PAST 60 YEARS(MAYBE) HAVE BEEN TO QUIET.IF THE ARAB FANATICS HAVE THE BOMB YOU CAN SAY GOODBYE TO THE WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY FOREVER(AS IF THE NAZIS HAD IT IN WW2 AND USED IT FIRST ON WASHINGTON)! [THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NAZIS AND ARABS IS THAT ONCE THE ARABS HAVE IT....DEMOCRACY DIES]THE ONE GOAL OF ISLAM IS EITHER SUBMIT OR DIE!START LEARNING ARABIC.

You write :"an Invisible Man in the sky promised it (i.e. the Jewish Homeland) to Moses (the Law Giver) ". Moses the Law Giver could talk to that "Invisible Man". That "Invisible Man" could hear Moses -- that means the "Invisible Man" has got ears. Moses the Law Giver could hear the "Invisible Man" speak -- that means the Supreme Lord has got a mouth. That "invisible Man" could see Moses the Law Giver -- that means the Supreme Lord has got eyes too. SO, that "Invisible Man" is NOT that invisible after all. Isn't it ? SO, Nutty, not only does the Supreme Lord has a face with 2 ears, a mouth, 2 eyes, a nose -- but He has also 2 hands and 2 legs. BTW in the Bible it is clearly stated : 'And God created men to His Own image '. BTW you can NOT compare your body with the Supreme Lord's. WHY NOT ? Because your body is temporary and full of misery. BTW if you discredit Moses the Law Giver, then the Torah and the Bible will have NO foundation. There are also 700 verses from the Torah included in the Koran -- so, the Koran will ALSO have NO foundation. IF you discredit Moses the Law Giver -- the 2.5 billion Christians and 1.0 billion Muslims will have NO legs to stand on. SO, Nutty, you are really a nut-case.

You say :"Abraham really was a Muslim". Abraham was born in 1876 B.Chr. Islam religion was started by Prophet Mohammed in 610 AD. Muslims were created ONLY after Prophet Mohammed started to preach -- namely in 610 AD. At the time of Abraham there was NO Islam religion -- so, how can you call Abraham a Muslim ? BTW Abraham always and ONLY worshipped the Supreme Lord -- and NO one else !!!! You have mentioned Abraham worshipping another god -- and that is WRONG. WHY ? Because there is a huge difference between the Supreme Lord and a god.

The Israeli Ambassador to the UN submited a Torah scroll to the UN archives as a historical document testifying to the Jewish People's claim to the land. We don't need the League of Nations for our right.

and I stand by what I said! I figured I'd check back here to see if somebody would respond to my statement(41)....and sure enough Zeal took the bait, hook, line, and sinker Firstly let me say to Zeal....I am dutch, and not jewish at all. I have lived all over the world, including with moslems for 2 years....they even tried to convert me....so let me just say that I am willing to match wits with the likes of you any day of the week. I pointed out that Abram worshipped the moon god before he realized that in fact the mood god was in fact demonic.....after which he changed his name to Abraham...... Moslems claim that Abraham was a moslem....I DO NOT believe that, because they have a tradition of usurping other religions, lands, and people. here is my challenge to you Zeal and any others.... Disprove that mohamad did not destroy the idol of allahi! Disprove that allahi was/is the ancient pagan arabic moon god. Disprove that "Abram" worshiped that moon god from Ur I don't even know why I waste my time responding to your nonsense, but somebody should....since you seem to be a jew hating moron. And I am not a jew, but will always love and bless the jews. I see through the hate that many around the world seem to hold for the jewish people, nad the only real root reason I can see for that hate is, ..... jealousy, because most wish they could be a blessed and chosen people. So they try and steal the birthright given to another because of that jealousy as for maaningh, I read what you say, and I wish it were true, but why then did Abraham change his name? and what caused his to make the change? I was told many times (by moslems) that abraham was moslem....when I put that on the posts title, i did so sarcastically Geloof nog niet? Wat is boven op iedere moskee?