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Palestinian industry of lies
Danny Seaman
Published: 29.05.08, 17:46
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31. Letter P
J Taleb ,   Jordan   (05.30.08)
Zikron Yaakov. You should know that it is written in Arabic with letter "Fa" Falasteen which exists in the eternal Arabic language. Please try to be more subjective and truthfull
32. To: #9 Gee - We do video every incident
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (05.30.08)
If you watch Channel 2 TV and particularly Ronni Daniel's reports you will see that today the IDF videos everything. However, you can't force the foreign media to broadcast out point of view. You might remember the Nachman Shai of Gulf War fame was given the job of explaining our side at the Sharem Confrenece a few years ago. He gave EVERY foreign TV reporter a video tape but not one channel screened it! That is why we must establish our own propaganda channels. The problem is that many have suggested this over the years, but, as usual, the suggestions fall on deaf years or get fouled up in bureaucracy! A further problem is apathy and complacency. Archbishop Desmond Tutu ha criticized Israel in his "investigation" of the 2006 Beit Hanoun incident in which 18 Palestinians were killed. Has anyone seen an interview with the Archbishop on ANY TV channel to challenge his findings? This is the problem. Be it Israel's politicians or critics our media just lets them get away with it. Many Right wingers say that our media is hostile. The problem is it is not hostile enough!
33. We Jews Are Our Own Worst Enemy
Dave Levy ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (05.30.08)
To David: The Pals propaganda machine can be compared to the blatant anti-Semitism and hateful rhetoric that is so pervasive throughout parts of the world. We hear anti-Jewish remarks all the time in the US..yet virtually nothing is done about it. People who make these remarks have no responsibility to anyone. They lie about Jews, Jewish lifestyles, Jewish achievement, Jewish politics and finances. They insult and blast Israel with continuous lies and distortions...it's creation, it's existence since, it's relations with the Arabs, etc. Jews are beaten up and defamed, yet seem to do nothing, while organized Jewry has tens of thousands of members..sitting around enjoying lavish dinners..and doing nothing concrete. We are the world's smartest people, and dumbest, at the same time. We just don't get it, or seem not to really care. We are living a delusion.
34. #1 Arthur Berbstein YES and MORE!
petra ,   usa   (05.30.08)
great idea, and Israel should be more vigilant and film all the acts of terror she can for 'news' companys that need proof of the palestinian pr machine that runs like a well oiled clock. A lie unanswered becomes truth to the manipulaters who are by now quite expert at pr against Israel. Israel needs their own PR dept.
35. # 25 Thank you!!! Another liar exposed!
petra ,   usa   (05.30.08)
that's exactly what we need, a witness to truth to fight every lie from the enemy who does lie so well, unanswered., so far. Thanks for expsoing this liar and fake Israeli.. Please, have more real soldiers tell their story to counter these ever present lies. And, if possible have the soldiers film what they see. Israel does need to explain and verify the truth each time to counter lies and opinions built upon the Palestinian lies.
36. #9 My thoughts exactly!
petra ,   usa   (05.30.08)
37. David #32
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (05.30.08)
I am aware, have seen the videos. What I should have said is that at every conference when our 'spokemens' explain the truth, just play the video and say nothing. That would end a lot of the garbage that we hear daily.
38. 32# Thank you
avrom ,   bet shemesh   (05.30.08)
for you helpful and very informative post but the foreign media never challenge the anti Israel lies of the interviewees this suypports what i said that the foreign media are guilty of incitement ,formenting hatred and violence .The good news is like all war criminals THEY WILL pay the ultimate price as its Says in the last verse in Obadiah Free translation "and saviors from Mt Zion will ascend the Mount of Esau to judge them" Just point out to these media liars that all their comments are recorded and they will be prosecuted
39. Palestinian Industry but its in the Zionist DNA
Chanalau, Tova ,   London, UK   (05.30.08)
The Zionists should be the last ones to start throwing stones. The entire establishment of the state of Israel has been one long history of lies, deceit and land swindles. The famous aliyas were built on deception of the British, the entire settlement infrastructure is one long list of deceits carried out by all the different government ministries; today there was even a report that the British Army is learning from the IDF techniques of lies and deception. Every time there is an independent witness of attacks on journalists, school children, protestors and other civilians the IDF is shown to have lied: Rachel Corrie, Tom Hurndall .. and all the other slaughtered victims of Zionist duplicity.
40. Add France 24 to list of propaganda channels
Israeli grandmother   (05.30.08)
I used to watch the English broadcasts of this relative newcomer, but have been weaned off them by them repeatedly telling viewers about forthcoming programmes at "Palestine time". A non existent entity, with no reliable time frame.
41. shame on the Israeli Foreign ministry
Gerard ,   Jerusalem   (05.30.08)
Israeli Foreign ministry prevented to help Karsenty who has been sued by Charles Enderlin (Israeli France2 journalist in Jerusalem). Nor the Israel ambassador in Paris, Daniel Shek helped him; on the contrary !! Why to condemn the French TV if we don't want , here in our own country, to act against the Palywood ?
42. Don't rely on the mainstream media
Arthur Bernstein ,   Florida, USA   (05.30.08)
Let's not waste our time hoping that the BBC, AFP, CNN, etc. will run videos supplied by Israel. My recommendation (Post #1) puts the streaming webcam on every available sight from YouTube to MySpace to political blogs. Go directly to the world and bypass the "talking head" mainstream media organizations which act as filters. Israel has dynamic young web experts who can get this done. Do not leave this to the IDF and politicians.
43. The court has not said that the film was faked
Mark Elf ,   Dagenham, Essex, UK   (05.30.08)
The French court has not endorsed the allegation that the footage of al Dura being killed by Israeli forces was faked. It has said that it was legitimate to say so since the media monitor felt it strongly enough. The court did not say allegation against France 2 was true and there are grounds to interpret what the court has said as being that the allegation was false. Ha'aretz put it better than me: "The Paris court ruled in favor of media critic Philippe Karsenty, who called into question the veracity of the report, but it also said that it did not rule out that journalists at France 2 had acted professionally." The Jerusalem Post puts it better still: "the appeals court ruled that Karsenty's words were, in fact, libelous, and that Karsenty failed to prove that the news was staged and/or false." The statement added that the case was nevertheless overturned because "the court believed Karsenty had the right to stridently criticize the [France 2] report, since it dealt with an emotional topic, and that Karsenty's investigation into the matter convinced the court he was being sincere." The games Israel's supporters have been playing over this whole affair have been grotesque. But they are even worse when we consider the fact that Mohamed al Dura was just one of Israel's many child victims. Israel has killed 850 or so children since al Dura was killed. Even if Israel didn't kill al Dura what about the rest? Asking for it? They killed themselves? Their mothers hid behind them? All the PR campaigns in the world can't help Israel's image. It's the product that's rotten not the image. So go on Israel, add another $200 k or so to the hasbara bill of. The world is wise to you.
44. #39 Chanalau Tova is Ra'a, very Ra'a...
JB   (05.30.08)
Chanalau should be the last one to start throwing stones. Her entire history of posting talkbacks has been one long history of lies, deceit and idiocy. Her non-stop spewing of filth is built on the deception that her slander constitutes freedom of speech, the "facts" she presents are one long list of deceits drafted by all the Arab organizations paying her to wage cyber-jihad; today there was even a report that the Israelis are learning from her techniques of lies and deception. Every time she posts, her facts are shown to be lies and her logic is exposed as being myopic.
45. #1 Great idea. Also, the settlers should have cameras
Arthur ,   Michigan   (05.30.08)
of their own. It happens with sickening frequency that Arabs and Lefties provoke confrontations with the settlers, film their angry reactions, then post them on the internet. Or else damage their fields, invade their property, pelt them with rocks. If settlers were to document all these instances, the courts would have no excuse to side with the Arabs and lefties every time there's a conflict between Jews and Arabs.
46. THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!!!!!!
swan ,   beirut   (05.31.08)
ANOTHER COMIC ARTICLE BY !@#$%
47. David Benjamin thank you for exposing these Zionist nonsense
Yaakov Sullivan ,   NYC   (05.31.08)
I am sure you are an authentic isreali man. I saw the whole thing on TV live and your version is true no doubt. Don't pay attention to those zionists. Viva Palestina!
48. You are not better
(05.31.08)
http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/middleeast/me5.html http://www.brasscheck.com/videos/middleeast/me5.html http://observers.france24.com/content/20080403-israeli-propaganda-terrorist-massacre-palestine
49. #43, and to show the dishonesty of the anti-Israelis
Danny   (05.31.08)
Mr Elf quotes from JPost: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1211288137213&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter Note that Mr Elf quote is from Enderlin the man who just lost the case. Jpost is simply reporting his words and Mr Elf is portraying this as if the Jpost is reporting that statement as fact. The Ha'aretz report is the usual high levels of reuters reporting. Here is what the court ACTUALLY said: "The court said in its ruling the new footage "did not allow to rule out the ***opinion*** of (France 2) professionals," but it also rejected claims by state prosecutor Antoine Bartoli that the new evidence was "neither complete nor serious."" Mr Elf claims Israel has "been playing games", which is utterly untrue. Israel hasn't helped the three people who have fought this lie until Mr Seaman came out and said something last year. Mr Elf also neglects to mention that most of the "children" killed have been between 15 and 18 and a significant portion were throwing stones, molotovs or shooting. Mr Elf maybe forgets that the Al-Dura episode is what made sure the peace talks collapsed and ensured the outbreak of violence became the second intifada. That's it importance. One wonders why people like Mr Elf feel the need to lie and fabricate when making their case.
50. Media
rune flækøy ,   oslo Norway   (05.31.08)
I have written 100 s of emails to media and told good things about Israel.i have tried to change the view of journalists with my emails.i dont know if i have suceeded .I think one way to be stronger in the media war is to make good videos withs facts and put them on as many video sites as possible(it is many before also but it should be more)and t send the videoe on email to the newspaers editors and otheres in the news.so we can tell people the truth about the conflict.God bless Israel and the jewish people
51. #48, what's your point
Danny   (05.31.08)
That a Palestinian DIDN'T kill those students?
52. # 43 And the British Image
Thomas   (05.31.08)
Do you think people think highly of Britian? What if I ask an Argentinian, an Iraqi, Indian, virtually any community in the ME, China, Ireland, etc. Who likes Britain other than Britain? Be serious. It's not like anyone tries to impress you. I can probably find at least a dozen Israeli groups who will own up to Israel's crimes like Deir Yassin. I probably couldn';t find one British group who feels then need to express remorse for the hundreds of thousands of Africans the Brits slaughtered in concentration camps in their African colonies. Sweeping your crimes under the rug doesn't give you the right to judge.
53. #14 If as you say , "jews are good at propaganda "
rachel ,   usa   (05.31.08)
Why have millions been killed ?Why have they suffered all your lies for so many years? Its about time , we finally shut you liars up .
54.  #17 Its all about political correctness , and the fear of
rachel ,   usa   (05.31.08)
losing one's job . Who wants to stand out ? who wants to lose their so called friends ?Its a matter of being a coward .
55. #42 yes not one watches these channels anymore.
rachel ,   usa   (05.31.08)
56. Response to #16
Shimon ,   Cincinnati,USA   (05.31.08)
There IS a response team, and it's name is AIPAC. Contribute to them and help their effort to tell the truth about what is happening in and to Israel!
57. anti-semitism fuels Western media bias.
bob kirk ,   los angeles, usa   (06.01.08)
Daniel Seaman's piece is very good but it does not go far enough. Every Western media outlet that uses Palestinian video or audio reports knows that there is little if any objective checking of these claims. In addition many foreign reporters especially from the BBC, CNN and French media are openly anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian. This is not just 'political bias' - the Palestinians blew up the Oslo 'peace process' with suicide bombings against Israeli civlians; the Palestinians then elected Hamas who are dedicated to Israel's destruction. Therefore, continued uncritical media support for Palestinians is anti-semitism, which denies Palestinian wrongdoing and claims to be simply anti-Israel critcism. In the U.S., the PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) program Newshour showed a report on the Al-Dura incident as reported by Britain's ITN (Independent Television News) which claimed that after much shooting between Israeli soldiers and Palestinians during which the boy and his father crouched in terror "the Israelis killed the boy". This claim was made and re-broadcast in the U.S. without any attempt at verification by outside observers or consideration of other possibilties such as Palestinian responsibility for the boy's alleged death. The evidence seems to show that the incident was staged, like so many others, and simply re-broadcast around the world to feed a global appetite for anti-Jewish / anti-Israel lies. It is very difficult to fight global antisemitisn especially when the media are a large part of the problem.
58. Seaman
Sevile ,   Philadelphia, PA, US   (06.01.08)
Well Said, but what took so long for the insight? This has been going on for at least 30 years. Certainly Arafat and the Soviet Union were media manipulators during the cold war. As far as recognizing this threat and learning to deal with it, I'm afraid the Isreali government has a long way to go. E.g., Both Itamar Marcus of Palestinian Media Watch and Philippe Karsenty have complanined BITTERLY about the Isreali government undermining their efforts to protect and defend Israel.
59. link to the proof that al-dura was not killed
dalia   (06.01.08)
al-dura, blood libel, one of the greatest media manipulations the world has ever seen. look at that link: http://www.a-dura.com/?l=en&a=22760
60. Bernie Schecter on 21 was the balistics expert
n.s.   (06.01.08)
of the police who were part of the official investigation group
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