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Don't pity the Palestinians
Adi Dvir
Published: 04.01.09, 02:48
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61. whats wronng with you???
the viking ,   sarpsborg, NORWAY   (01.04.09)
Whats wrong with you?? have you not have had enough of war or do you israelis dont like peace?? a pepole like you should not be doing this war as i said have you not had enough??? ww2 was bad and still you make war inn 2009 i dont get you att all i wish my contry was not so pro israeli as they are i am a shamed and disscusted of what you do. shooting women and childre inn camps with strike helicopters and tanks wow you are a really brave, i got a good frend here in norway and he is 3 gen norway palastinien and he cant get hold of his fammely becuse of the blokade no word in no word out so israel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hope you dont get as much support in the un froam now on and that i mean froam USA you no bush is gone............... welcome to a new world of peace. by the way your goverment SUCKS BIG TIME....... AND WE FINNALY GOT RID OF YOUR AMBASADOR TO NORWAY
62. Excellent article. Crystal clear thinking.
Kev ,   London   (01.04.09)
63. Good Point, Steve. #55
KO ,   London England   (01.04.09)
64. Maria, #57. Have you any idea...
KO ,   London England   (01.04.09)
...what you're talking about? Do you realise what these people in Gaza would like to do to the millions in Israel? But I see that, like me, you don't live there. Our opinions are not really very important but I pray that yours will change BECAUSE YOU'RE WRONG.
65. Maria #57
J ,   Israel   (01.04.09)
Maria, you fail to get the point. Of course we care about the suffering in Gaza. But enough is enough. Eight years ago, the terrorists in Gaza began bombarding local towns and villages with home-made rockets. "What shall we do?" we asked. "Stop the OCCUPATION!" you said. So we did. We removed every settlement and every last Jew from Gaza. And for three years the rocket attacks, mortars and bombs have got steadily worse. "What shall we do?" "Put an end to it", we say, "even if there is suffering. This situation must not continue".
66. Don't pity the Jews?
Universal Moral   (01.04.09)
Because the author demonstrably argues from a higher moral point of view, which is free from double standards, his hidden point is probably that Jews have also all along controlled their fate and their acts and we accordingly also shouldn't pity Jews when they are collectively punished and starved out and when medicines are withheld from them or they are prevented from leaving a fenced-in area in order to be medically treated even if it leads to their death. It is always delightful to read illuminating articels of moral philosophers like Mr. Dvir.
67. don't pity Palestinians
leib ,   madison wisconsin us   (01.04.09)
Hamas is not only to blame for Palestinian Arab suffering; Fatah too from the start of its control of the PA in 1993 is to blame; demise of Hamas will mean Fatah moves back in this time with US support; they will use cover of alleged moderation to make gains and concessions and will, in time, pose a similar threat; but right now stopping Hamas is priority number 1; similar to fighting with Stalin to stop Hitler and then needing to fight a cold war for 5 decades with Stalin and successors except one day Fatah's war will be hot unless there is a democratic (real democratic) revolution inside the territories. Still safety first now; renewed tzoris later.
68. Pity the poor Norwegians - e.g. #61
J. ,   Israel   (01.04.09)
Poor, poor Norwegians, Living in their boring, faultless, Scandinavian haven. What can they possibly know about living your life within 15-seconds of shelter? How can they possibly understand that when Hamas says they intend to kill you, your family and friends and make Israel Judenrein, they really believe it? They fundamentally wish death upon us all? And they believe they have Allah's permission to kill me, my wife, and all of my beautiful children? Norwegians ask if we "don't like peace" - as if we were EVER allowed to experience it! Do not judge another until you find yourself in his situation. But then again, if only we were to give back all our settlements and go away, peace would reign - oh. That is what we tried, three years ago in a little place called - GAZA, you idiot! Please take your MSM-fed right-thinking drivel elsewhere!
69. EACH DAY WILL BRING ITS OWN SUPRISES (NOT PLANNED ONES)
Atilla Karagözoğlu ,   JEWISHLESS PALESTINE   (01.04.09)
70. HAMAS IS THE BEST PALESTINE VOICE, TODAY.
Atilla Karagözoğlu ,   Jewishless Palestine   (01.04.09)
71. NO JEW CAN EMPATY PALESTINIANS.
Atilla Karagözoğlu ,   JEWISHLESS PALESTINE   (01.04.09)
72. to 37:your honesty is only
bruno ,   bouxwiller france   (01.04.09)
propaganda. no real thought. no insight, no intelligence, just stupid propaganda. how wonderful it would be that some of you would really know God. God works in the hearts that people recognize their own sins and and repent. Changed hearts is the most needed thing on earth. this applies to Arabs, Israelis, Europeans, Americans and all others. A life changed by the power of God, this is important. the combat against Israel is a useless fight. if a life is not changed in the positive meaning, this person shall never see God. a person driven by hate to destroy others (in this case Israelis) is not supported by God.
73. to 59: don't talk about holocaust
bruno ,   bouxwiller france   (01.04.09)
you don't have a clue. by the way, the masses if they 're arab or ohers do not understand never. masses are always stupid and they believe what they are told or shown by evil mediamakers.
74. #37 - Al Khityar - Let's be honest....
William ,   Israel   (01.04.09)
You should be attacking the PLO, not Israel. 20 years of negotiations? Arafat fooled us both - he admitted publicly in South Africa that negotiations, especially Oslo, were meant only to deceive the Israelis and the West on the route to Israel's total destruction. Then he stole billions of dollars ear-marked for YOU!! Why don't you have new apartment buildings in Gaza? Better water? Industrial parks with jobs? Blame the PLO - the rest of the Pals have. But if you think voting for Hamas, a group bent on killing Israel and NOT providing peace nor prosperity for Pals...then you deserve what you get. Negotiate honestly or pay the price. Israel is here to stay, always.
75. #31 - excellent points - I recommended it
William ,   Israel   (01.04.09)
76. #34 - Kaz - Al-qaeda also doesn't have tanks, planes
William ,   Israel   (01.04.09)
yet no one disputes their terrorist agenda and their viciousness, on Muslims and non-Muslims alike. I would guess that since Israelis don't have the same brutal, racist tendencies liek their Nazi neighbors, there is a need for better technology for more pin-point attacks on terrorists. Unlike Islamic terrorists which go for the largest kill count. The very use of shrapnel and ball bearings in rockets are 110% a war crime!!! "All the world is victim of a Zionist who responsible for crashing economy of the world" I think you mean to say "Jew" but people of your racist ilk see no difference and want an extermination of both. Truth be told, the biggest contributors to global meltdown are those who strangle us with high oil prices and use it to fund terror. Al-Qaeda dropped the DOW on 9/11, high oil prices are the biggest transfer of wealth ever in human history.
77. occupation
(01.04.09)
isreal OCCUPATION!!!!! not theirs to begin with..taken by force..hey, but no one can talk about that because then we become anti semetic...go figure
78. to 61 from Norway, yr comment nerves
bruno ,   bouxwiller france   (01.04.09)
you call yourselves viking and you talk like a pudding. please consult other websites and forget this argument. it is not your business except you're a hamas member.
79. This opinion article
steve ,   vancouver, canada   (01.04.09)
is one of the most ignorant pieces of writing I've read in a long time. Israel is doing nothing but causing griveous amounts of suffering and repression on the Palestinians as compared to what Palestine is causing Israel. Hell on Earth indeed.
80. a writer?
bob ,   lugano   (01.04.09)
yes, i agree, you are not a writer,not at all a human being, have you ever try to live how the palestinians do?
81. op-ed
Debbi Frankel ,   Philadelphia, Pa.   (01.04.09)
How true and well said. If only the rest of the world allowed themselves to agree instead of siding with terror because of a global hatred of Jews!
82. #37 First be honest with yourself
Talula ,   Israel   (01.04.09)
and ask yourself this: What EXACTLY have you got since you voted for Hamas? Your life is better? NO! You have jobs? NO! You have food? NO! You have proper medical care? NO! You have a big FAT nothing!!!!! All you have are rockets and tigers in the zoo. THAT'S IT!!! Yeah, real smart. And now you can look forward to more Palestinians dying BECAUSE of Hamas. Idiot!
83. You might wanna spend a day in gaza
Janet ,   Gaza, Palestine   (01.04.09)
many are talking out of ignorance, real shame putting the blame on hamas, while israel has kept gazans in blockade for over a 2years, they dont have the right to protest? but israel does? israelis have been dropping missiles and killing whoever they wanted and whenever they wanted! everyone still thought its their right to defend themselves? defend themselves from who? people they invaded and stole land from? this article doesnt surprise me, anything is expected from "such" people
84. The only pity
Michael Collins ,   Dublin, Ireland   (01.04.09)
Is that the Palestinians have not yet risen up and driven the occupiers from their land. For every IDF bomb, one settler should be shot dead in the streets. For every IDF tank, one settler child. For every IDF soldier, one bomb goes off in Tel Aviv. Only when Palestine rises up and brings the terror that Israel has wrought to the Israelis themselves will they ever see equality. Savagery can only be defeated with greater savagery.
85. #54
Gretchen ,   Charleston, SC   (01.04.09)
Of course they will, because the US will continue to borrow money and put its own citizens in debt worse than ever known to make sure of it.
86. 31 LOL! blah blah blah!!
(01.04.09)
On and on you drone - you need to seek anger management man, and quick
87. 83 Ignorance? you should know all about that
Israel   (01.04.09)
Your talkback is clearly written by someone who has absolutely NO idea of the history of the middle east. What you know is what you've been told by Palestinians. Go read a history book before you make an ever bigger Fool of yourself.
88. SHAME! SHAMe! SHAME
salomon ,   antwerp,belgium   (01.04.09)
shame on the people who give hamas and other fanatic regimes this power.Arabs world wide like to scream outloud of how they are angered about what is happening to the people of gaza.why dont you demonstrate by the masses when these fanatic regimes kill and opress your own people? because all you people like to do is whine and bark like cowards and put your blame on other people.i think i care more for your people than you do.teach your children to love and they shall love.teach them to kill and they shall kill.SHAME ON THE ISLAM WORLD.your not worthy of your book!!!!
89. The most racist article ...
Bertie ,   Paris - France   (01.04.09)
This article is just plain racism!! Seeing Israel as a whole reaching this point (I'm pretty sure most israelis share your point of view), that's the real pitty. You should really be ashamed ...
90. Don't pity the Palestinians - Avi Dvir
Glenn Festog ,   Lakeland, Florida US   (01.05.09)
In his article regarding the Palestinians, Avi Dvir stated, "The residents of Gaza, and the Palestinians as a whole, say they would like their own state. Yet such state must be earned. And earning a state – a piece of land to call your own – takes much more than incessant whining to the international community coupled with a desire to drive out the Jews." Dvir is wrong. A State doesn't have to be earned, all it takes is for a coalition of larger, more powerful countries to enter a pre-existing country, carve it up any way they want to, and create the new State. You know, just like they did to create Isreal in the first place.
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