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Rabbinate cuts ties with Vatican
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Published: 28.01.09, 15:37
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31. Hey Pope...
Heather Czerniak ,   Milwaukee, USA   (01.29.09)
While you're trying to figure out how to revive the "beautiful friendship" with us Jews, how's about returning all the stuff your predecessors stole from the last Temple? We know you have it and we want it back. Now!
32. 6 David Turner: The New Testament blames the GENTILES for
Rivkah   (01.29.09)
killing Yeshua. It is the GENTILES who killed Yehsua whose descendants didn't and don't read their Bible who blamed the Jews. Mathew 20:19 and Mark 10:33 and Luke 18:32,33 say Yeshua was delivered to the GENTILES and THEY (the Gentiles) PUT HIM TO DEATH.
33. The Pope
Yerach ,   Jerusalem,Israel   (01.29.09)
What do you all expect from a German Pope who was a member of the Hitler Jugend (Youth) during Worl War II? Once a nazi always a nazi!!!!!
34. I'm not surprised
Doron ,   Israel   (01.29.09)
Without centuries of Christian Jew hatred, Hitler would've not been able to create the Holocaust. But what should also be mentioned is that a lot of Christians, especially in America, have cleaned up their act, started to love Jews and support Zionism and Israel. Greeks, Assyrians, Orthodox Russians still seem to have a big problem with Jews, a little behind this new wave of love affairs between Jews and Christians. :)
35. The Vatican
Robin ,   Sydney Australia   (01.29.09)
Prevent the Pope from visiting Israel in May. Keep Austrian anti-Semites out of Israel. What's more Austrian anti-Semites that worked for the Nazis.
36. RE-CLAIM THE VATICAN
ALAN ,   USA   (01.29.09)
I BELIEVE THAT THE VATICAN WAS BUILT WITH JEWISH MONEY AND JEWISH BLOOD. HERE THE POPE LIVES HIGH ON THE HOG AND HE PUTS DOWN JEWS. HOW MANY JEWISH ARTIFACTS ARE HIDDEN IN VATICAN WALLS AND STORAGE CLOSETS?
37. There is a far greater offence by the Vatican on the horizon
Rivkah   (01.29.09)
BEWARE! The Vatican wants Sunday sabbath observance mandatory through the EU's Working Time Directive that may be changed to make that official. Right now the Directive requires all employees to have a weekly rest period, which in principle is Sunday; but that is not mandatory...YET. Remember the Sunday Laws of Constantine and Charlemagne that led to the torture and slaughter of Saturday Sabbath keepers, whether Jews or Christians. Every time Europe has been strong and united, it has enforced Sunday worship. Why? Man changed the sabbath and wants people to swear allegiance to man's law, not to God's law. The Bible said not to add or subtract from God's words in the Bible, but the change of the sabbath was adding and subtracting from the Bible. The mark of the beast may be Sunday observance of the sabbath and no one can buy or sell without a mark on the forehead or hand of the Sunday sabbath symbol. Get ready for a holocaust.
38. JohnXXIII and John Paul II are exceptions,antisemitism is...
Flavio ,   Sao Paulo, Brazil   (01.29.09)
...and always has been the rule over there - and now with Pope Nazinger, things have only got worse!!! I won't even dignify the notorious Pius XII with a mention; I'd rather bri a less known example, the Edgardo Mortara case of kidnapping and forced conversion performed by direct orders of Pope Pius IX. Please check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgardo_Mortara for more info.
39. #34 about U.S Christians and their Il support
Lior ,   Israel   (01.29.09)
Not sure you are aware but all main line Christian churches in U.S have divested from Israel proclaiming scathing accusations against Israel. In the mean time one day a Mosque will be built atop Manger Square and all of West Bank will be void of Christians. Period. If that will not be punishment enough for them, the Christian community will blame that on Israel as well. To date the only Christian groups on the whole in the U.S who support Israel are evangelicals.
40. #6 shows how proudly uneducated Jews can be
Moishe   (01.29.09)
If #6 and anyone who is inclined to agree with him has any ability to want to think, they would know that the Pope in Rome speaks for only his sect and is to many Christians just as much an enemy as the anti-Semites are to Jews. Sorry to confuse everyone with the facts. I just don't want such ignorance to stand uncorrected, even if it upsets one's self-righteous world.
41. Papalcy is a farce just like British royalty
Zohan ,   Tel Aviv   (01.29.09)
42. Why all this hate?
Oved hazadok ,   Isratine   (01.29.09)
My dear God, all this hate because the Pope is trying to fix some internal problems inside the Catholic Church? I think that you are interfering in others affairs because this step doesn't have anything to do with the Holocaust or Antisemitism... Your actual position will increase Antisemitism all over the world.. Please leave the world live in Peace once for ever.. You are attacking everybody and you want the world to love you?
43. Remove this person from his post!
Daniel ,   Israel   (01.29.09)
44. Nachshon #27 You are wrong
Brod ,   USA   (01.29.09)
There are Protestant or Christian denominations who keep all the Ten Commandments including the Seventh Day Sabbath holy. In the Book of Revelation, GOD reveals that He would be calling out His people to come out of the false church (Papism). There are many of GOD's people in the various Christian denominations who know the GOD of Israel and hate AntiSemitism. Hence, do not judge all Christians as AntiSemitic. Always remember that it was Judeo-Christians that shed their blood to save humanity from the dark forces in WWII and since then.
45. #39 Lior and of course Rikvah
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (01.29.09)
Evangelicals, in no way shape or form support Yehudim and their purported support of Israel is nothing more than a malicious ruse. Evangelicals are fully engaged in soul harvest they are single-mindedly obsessed with "converting" Jews to a belief in there "water-walking, virgin-born, man-god" they are Balaam; tempting the children of Israel into idolatry with figures such as Jonathan Beris and David Brikner calling themselves "Rabbonim" on various television podiums. They are merely vultures praying and targeting the meek and their influence on secular organizations like the “department of defense” and their growing inclination to leverage that influence on martial entities has really just rendered them violence prone terrorist following the pattern of the Al Queda's the Al Shababs, Fascist and other hate mongers. Catholics, at least aren’t trying to usurp our identity. The Protestantism in the America of today is no different than the Positive Christianity endorsed by Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich. Jews continue to demur and abscond to the peril that persists. Protestant dispensationalist eschatology is the confluence and catalyst that enable this unrelenting zealotry and repeat atrocious behavior. I had an interesting conversation with a self-described evangelical “shaman” that described to me why Catholicism is in fact a “cult” whereas evangelicalism is in fact the true faith. He said that Catholics are merely cultist because they believe there is only one way to heaven and that was through a belief in Mary and Jesus. I asked him if evangelicals believed a person denying Jesus had a place in their heaven he replied emphatically “NO”; but you see in his mind he is in no way a cultist by his definition. There is a completely tormented duplicity about the whole of evangelical dogma.
46. Rivkah #37 You are right
Brod ,   USA   (01.29.09)
You are definitely right. The worst is yet to come. The Book of Revelation reveals what will happen in the End Time. Significant to the current situation that seems to be fast developing is Chapter 25 entitled "GOD's Law Immutable" by Ellen G. White in her powerful book, "The Great Controversy." This book is a Must Read.
47. #32, Rivka, In Matthew the Jews are depicted as crying out f
David Turner ,   Richmond, USA   (01.29.09)
blame for then and forever. Of course crucifixion was a Roman punishment, and as occupiers of Judea were the governing authority. If Jesus indeed did exist, and the gospels, although written several generations after the alleged event, are true, then the Jews are depicted as deicides, murderers of the Christian god, Jesus. This is most clearly depicted in the Matthew gospel where a kindly (according to the gospels; bloodthirsty sadist according to historical documents) Pilate asks the Jewish mob, “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called Christ?” And the Jews respond, “Crucify him! ... Let his blood be upon us and on our children" (Matt: 27: 22-25).
48. AY_Lamb #45
Brod ,   USA   (01.29.09)
Your comment about Evangelical shows that you nothing about them. You sound more like a Papist apologist. If you know the GOD of Israel, you will not be spewing this kind of crap on Evangelical.
49. David Turner #47
Brod ,   USA   (01.29.09)
Your comment about the Book of Matthew and Jesus, shows that your knowledge of the Holy Bible from Genesis to Revelation is shallow. It seems that you have not even read Jesus' Sermon on the Mount in Matthew Chapters 5 to 7.
50. My #40 goes for #27 too
Moishe   (01.29.09)
What an embarrassment. Ignorance is bliss, it seems.
51. Pope and Holocaust
Barbara ,   Haifa Israel   (01.29.09)
Of course this is intentional. My thoughts that Christians are now trying to distance themselves from Jews, as the Muslims get more powerful. It's called survival.
52. Rabbinate cut ties with the Vatican... well,
Erastus CoupeDeVille ,   Ong's Hat, NJ USA   (01.29.09)
there you have it... without those crucial rabbinical ties, the roman catholic church will not last another day or two or week or month or...
53. Rabbinate cuts ties wih vatican
Lilly Nussbaum ,   elizabeth new jersey   (01.29.09)
The Pope should immediately rescind his decision to exonerate the British bishop. His remarks are indefensible. Hitler and his supporters did not just attempt to exterminate European Jewry, he succeeded for the most part. The British bishop should be ex-communicated all over again and denounced UNEQUIVOCALLY FOR MALICE AFORETHOUGHT. Tribute should be paid to the Jewish men and wo men who fought valiantly under the different allied banners to liberate the European countries from a most vicious tyrant.
54. Catholocism is NOT Christianity!!!
Response to #6 ,   Cranston,R.I.   (01.30.09)
David, Rabbi Jesus the Christ was a Jew! NO follower of HIS could EVER be anti-Semetic! Catholics DON'T worship HIM, they worship the pagan "Mother goddess", as my people the Jews did in the Book of Jeremiah:7(18-32). And this ABOMINATION caused the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem. The vatican was here before the catholic CULT was started, and the same vile idolatries that went on in it then, go on in it NOW! Because the Romans would NOT give up the worship of Diana a compromise was made, at the "Council of Ephesus", that made it official , that the Hebrew girl Mary, human mother of the Messiah to the Nation of Israel, was now to be worshiped.( this too is an ABOMINATION and the destruction of the vatican will come!! (Revelation:17,18). Jesus was a Rabbi, in fact an Orthodox Rabbi, as they did not have "reformed" Judaism then. Do you know ANY follower of an Orthodox Rabbi who would have graven images on their lawn, in their houses, their cars, and even around their necks? Jesus said "MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS EARTH." But if it was, it would be in Jerusalem, NOT the pagan, anti-semetic city of Rome! For SO long, my people the Jews have confused the two, as apparrently, so do you ,David! It's amazing, that a people who are so brilliant on the one hand, can be so stupid on the other! The prophet Daniel was given a prophecy concerning the "last days". It troubled him greatly, for he could not understand it! The LORD told him it was not for him to understand. All of the original disciples(12), were killed except for John ,who was kept alive to write the Book of Revelation.(what was concealed in Daniel is reveaIed in Revelation) The "Age of the Gentiles" is coming to a close, and G-D will once again turn HIS attention to Israel.For the sake of Abraham a remnant will be SAVED!!! Everyone said John Paul II was wonderful man, but that was a LIE , for He was the "Marion pope" who condemned millions to Hell, with his worshiped of the Hebrew girl Mary. STOP equating the followers of Rabbi Jesus with those who worship the "Mother goddess". They are light-years apart in their beliefs!NO ONE "killed" JESUS the CHRIST",for HE came to give HIS life as a sacrifice. When G-D told Abraham that HE would provide the LAMB, Do you think HE was talking about some ewe? When G-D realized that Abraham would give HIM his 'son of promise" , HE gave HIS SON to Abraham instead! When "THE TRUMP of the LORD is sounded those who are asleep IN CHRIST shall be raised, but until that time it's a good thing that Mary has no idea what's going on,here on earth , for she would be the first one to tell you she has NO power to answer prayer! And when JESUS was dying on the cross and HE said," Woman this is you son and told John she was his mother. HE did NOT mean mother of the entire planet .HE was simple telling him , that HE would be leaving(for a time) and HE wanted to know that HIS human mother was looked after! Furthermore ,Mary brought a dove offering into theTemple for the remission of her sin(admitting she was a sinner ,not unlike the rest of us). And lastly the term "Christian" was given to the Jewish followers of JESUS by the Romans, to distinguish them from those who did not believe in the MESSIAH. For centuries the vatican has been insanely JEALOUS of the Jews, why should you be surprised that they would be anti- semetic. They put their pagan holidays near Jewish HOLY days to give themselves credibility, but it doesn't fly! And lastly David, it wasn't the Jewish people in Matthew that denied CHRIST, it was the Pharisees, who were afraid of losing power! Not unlike religious leaders today. Catholics only use the name of JESUS in vane, but say something about Mary , to them those are fighting words. Why deoes the unholy see at the vaticanus want to remove the Book of Revelation from "Catholic bibles"? STOP equating the evil vaticanus with JESUS the CHRIST!! A true disciple!! I will pray for you David.
55. 46 Brod...
Rivkah   (01.30.09)
Go to www.thelasttrumpet.com and read David Meyer's February 2009 newsletter about the coming Sunday law in the EU. History repeats. When Europe unites and has a compulsory Sunday law, slaughter of Saturday sabbath keepers follows.
56. #54 - again you present the hateful polemic
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (01.30.09)
against the Parush - oh well; it is straight out of your new testament. Have you NOT done enough harm to satiated your rampant desire to receive?
57. #49 - Brod evangelicals
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (01.30.09)
Must proselytize (witness) and I know that because of the way I was born; being a child of my emma and my abba - I have been methodically and systematically persuaded that I am somehow lesser, deprived and depraved because I will not and cannot accept the Brit Chadashah or your New Testament. I know all my efforts at respect and understanding of your beliefs and acknowledgments of the linkages and similarities with the Emunim Yehudim are met with contempt and revulsion by you. I know that evangelicals like Muslims interpret "chosen people" with a belief that results in some sort of elevation and I know like Islam they seek favor and reward from their Jesus or Allah. I know that according to Jewish belief even this is all acceptable because both know Torah. Where I drew the line and compromised on the mandatory conditions of Talmudic tolerance, pluralism kindness and indeed respect of the Kol Qehal Yisrael (greater encompassing community of Israel) is the slanderous, libelous, hysterical and indeed murderous, evangelical endeavors I have sadly been a mandatory party too in Iraq. I will absolutely not stand idle while these evangelical zealots go unchecked with the zeal and contempt proffered against Muslims in Iraq and carry this into the Eretz Mattot Yudah. I will no longer dismiss their pejoratives and epithets as harmless votive to their doctrines. I know for certain that discrimination, intolerance, cruelty, malice and murder of "non-believers" is not only acceptable to evangelicals but even sanctioned. You call me a papist? Okay - then any curse or insult levied on me from the adherents of amelek implies I am meeting my goals of not allowing your ilk and vile to consume the world unrestrained.
58. Israel & Vatican
Marilyn ,   USA   (01.30.09)
In difficult times, I must admit I wish that Israeli leaders would take it easy and maybe even stay off the radar for a little while, until things can settle. This they do not do. Instead they do big actions such as a war and cutting off ties with the Vatican. It is like being in a car with someone that is going too fast. It's a little scary.
59. 55 Brod: Correction: the website is...
Rivkah   (01.30.09)
www.thetrumpet.com Feb. 2009 for the article on the Vatican pressuring the EU into a compulsory Sunday day of rest.
60. #47 David Turner you are 100% correct
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (01.30.09)
Evangelicals must obfuscate the contempt, libel and slander that is clearly articulated in their new testament. The simple truth is because we just wont cease and they really lack the patience to await fulfillment and arrival of their second Regnum Jerusalem they have opted to split from the Catholic church and embark on the endeavor to usurp to Jewish identity. David Brikner and these "so called" Jews for Jesus and these evangelizing "messianic jews" are implementing with determination and furor the goals of their real fuhrer/christos/Caesar the endlosung der judenfraag. The original split from Catholicism started with the thesis of Martin Luther and his book On Jews and their lies. Nothing has changed accept their patience, they don Kippah, bind phylacteries, and tallit then commence to evangelize their gospels; relentlessly sewing the seeds of discord, usurping their twisted interpretation of the covenant. Even they should know we all reap what we sew. They call themselves Zionist? Their model is a Roman soldier that was enthralled and engrossed by the synchrony of the Parthian Zoroaster, the Roman Mithras and Esau/Shomron. Well it is time for morphology; they want to call themselves Zionist fine - I have adopted the term "Zionista" just to differentiate - that term was originally levied by the Persian Cat as an insult but, it is now part of the shield that David blazed and when they bring their polytheism to the Sha'ar Yisrael, Zionista sentinels will post on the ramparts and meet and repel maklokes.
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