that you're proud of a terror group called Hamas that cyniclly uses civillian population for its benefits and don't give a damn about them. I'm sorry but my civillians and sodiers are more important to me than the people of Gaza that have Hamas to take care of them let alone 0.5 billion petro arabs(And ironiclly get most of the aid from the 'filthy zionists') And Hell yeah we can say that you're child murderer lets not forget you occupied the entire south and central America and many other places put their nations into slavery, expelled Jews in 1492(which you probably happy about) so you're not exactly a sacred nation. I'm starting to suspect your Identity, a christian who wants to live under Eurabia hmm... Waiting for you to scream "propoganda" like anything that doesn't fit in your reality...

We do not need for you to tell us our intellectual strengths and weaknesses. Further, we are all Jews, whether Sephardi, Ashkenazim, African or Asian. We have no need for you to tell us which of us is better or worse. We are all Jews. His point was a salient one: Poles are the butt of jokes world wide...do not point your jaded finger at us! We will never again sit quietly while murdered by you or your German brothers! You are to blame for your own failings. We DO NOT want credit for your successes nor your failures!

Read a little history dude. You must wonder why so many speak Spanish...surely you understand that it was not by choice. Further, you are clearly insane and/or hate-filled if you call Israelis child murderers. It requires only the willingness to see truth to recognize that lie. The man (and I use that term very loosely) who hides behind a child shooting (Islamofacist Terrorist) is the murderer of the child when the man protecting his women and children fires back(Israel)

Yes I've noticed that Poles are slow learners. Forgive me if I sound a little bit racist... It is quite simple dear lad: 100% of the German Jews could not possibly have been academics. 100% of the Germans could not possibly have been academics. But the Jews had a considerably higher percentage of academics among them than Germans. It means that in order for Jews to cover 50% of the German intelligentsia even though Jews constituted only 1% of the German population means that a very high percentage of German Jews - maybe even most of them, were academics, whereas most Germans were not academics, but as Germans were so many and Jews so few, both ethnic groups managed to deliver 50% of each ethnicity into the German intelligentsia: 50% of the German intelligentsia were ethnic Germans and 50% of the German intelligentsia were ethnic Jews. Germans managed to be 50% due to their numbers - Jews managed to be 50% due to their brilliance. But as Jews were so few and Germans so many it means that Germans needed only a small percentage of its people to cover those 50% of the German intelligentsia whereas most Jews had to be academics in order to join the intelligentsia. I said that Jews constituted 50% of the German intelligentsia but I never mentioned how many percent the intelligentsia constituted of the German population. I think that is the primary reason behind your confusion. I don't know if I am pedagogic enough but I hope it wasn't too complicated.

If the data I have is correct, the total population of Nazi Germany was 50 million. Jews constituted 1% - if I am not mistaken. 1% of 50 million is 500.000 individuals. Even if we assume that all of them were academics, it would require additional 500.000 ethnic Germans for the remaining part of the intelligentsia. So if 500.000 multiplied by 2 is 1 million, it would mean that the intelligentsia would have been maximum 2% of the German population. But as I said earlier:I have difficulties to believe that all German Jews were academics, but most of them most likely were. No: Even a 2% intelligentsia of the German population is not very high for an industrialized nation such as Nazi Germany during WW2. But that is the point. The Germans prided themselves of being racially superior to Jews - yet Germans had a small percentage of intelligentsia despite their numbers, whereas Jews were 50% of the German intelligentsia despite their low numbers. Just to give you an example: Muslims are 10-15% of France's population today as we speak. How many percent of the French intelligentsia are Muslims? Having a huge minority population and small representation among the academics is not impressive, but having a tiny minority and still having a considerable percentage of the total amount of academics - that is impressive. If the German Jews would have a nation of their own in WW2 Germany, the percentage of academics or intelligentsia among Jews would certainly not be 1 or 2% but considerably higher. That's my point dear Chris.

Brilliant...I guess you're not an academic. Because you didn't even understand Chris' question, let alone answer it.

talking about holocaust and ignoring other important parts of jewish history happens and can be mistaken, but euros will still feel the same about the jews as facts are irrelevant to prejudice.

Speaking about child murderers - with your good collective memory of the Spanish people - you Spaniards must remember the Spanish Inquisition? You must certainly also remember other atrocities such as the Spanish OCCUPATION of the Basque People, that unlike the "Palestinians", have a genuine identity, history and they indeed were sovereign before the Spaniards conquered them. Spaniards also conquered Sicily, Sardinia and southern Italy for centuries and possessed the Spanish Netherlands - if you remember? And Spaniards spread Catholicism to the Philipeenes - if you remember? And Spaniards spread Spanish language and Catholicism to the Americas - and killed hundreds of thousands of natives American Indians. And Spaniards even today as we speak OCCUPY CEUTA and MELILLA in Morocco! So much for Spanish concern for Arab well being. That is my point dear friend. Anti-Semites are inferior and they are a disease, hopelessly stupid and futile and meaningless. Everything you anti-Semites accuse us Jews of are things that you anti-Semites have done yourselves.

Again this survay shows,that an enemy doesn't have to exist,in order to be real.

Marco ! you must be very old, given your hatred for Jews,you vere probably raised by catholic bishops,who ruled spain a century ago,by the way do you have other pleasures in life beside hating Jews ?.

# 31 Thanks to the Atom bomb there was no war between the great powers in the last 60 years,as strange as it sounds,the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki prvented the soviets from occupiyng japan.

Let me start by saying how utterly ridiculous it is that 31% of European's think Jews have too much power in business and finance. There are only approximately 15 million Jews in the world and they can't be in every country, running things at all times. As far as career goals, Jews are a mixed bag. Some, it's true, are in Finance and have very good jobs. Others, however, like my deceased father, who was brilliant, was a shoe salesman. There are more like my father than like a rich politician. Other Jews mainly study Torah. Other Jews who may have had a small family business are either closing down or totally out of it due to today's economic crisis. And so on and so on. On the other hand, having a Jew working for you, as a rule, means you will have a loyal employee, only wanting to do his best and feed his family. On the other hand, if you seek a jew to be your friend, he will come. I grew up with friends of all races and religions, never thinking one was better than the rest. In the course of life, some will have better education than others, will do better in business, and will be friendlier. And, opposite of that, in any religion and race, you will also have some bad guys. But, to blame the economic crisis on the Jews is just plain ignorant.

I'll be straightforward. You made several tasteless statements for which you offered no proof and which you are still unable to explain and though you throw a lot of points into the discussion, it does not mean that they support your claims. First, did I say ANYTHING that suggests I hate Jews? In fact, I like Jews and Israel a lot. DESPITE people like you I'm afraid. Fortunately, I live in Canada and I've known a fair number of different Jews. I don't think any of my Jewish professors and bosses believed that I belong to an "intellectually retarded" group. Didn't feel any hatred either. In fact some of them had really nice things to say about Poland. A little bit too nice to be insincere. But they were real Jewish academics, not people who try to ride on their reputation. Enough said, let's continue. I mentioned that the IQ study is controversial and I haven't read it. But it's SOME data. You offered none. So let me ask again. What is THIS statement BASED UPON and what is this supposed to mean? "It is common knowledge that Poles are intellectually retarded". You argue with my data saying: "If the survey regarding IQ online is correct, it would also mean that Poles are technologically and scientifically more advanced than Israel." So you go even further than the study. You apparently believe that IQ is the ONLY factor that explains technological and scientific development and wealth. That is simply false. To make it short, Israel is more developed because it's been a capitalist economy and a democracy for 60 years while Poland was forced to be communist during most of this period. Now that's Poland is free, it is catching up. Ten years ago, Polish GDP per capita (PPP) was 39% of that of Israel. Now it is 53%. The structure of the economy, the institutions, the availability of capital, the international environment, all this matters. It does not mean that the IQ study is right. But the relative underdevelopment of Eastern Europe is not an argument for it being wrong.

Regarding the civilizing effect, it's true that Jews were more literate and they contributed a lot, but saying that they "civilized" any of those countries is simply far-fetched. Literacy mattered only so much in those times and ultimately it's the nobility who pulled the strings. Jews filled many financial and managerial positions in Poland but this did not change the overall outlook and structure of the Polish economy. German settlers (who eventually completely assimilated) probably had more influence in terms of technology, trades and urban development and ethnic Poles had the same influence further East. Regarding hatred: "…racism exists against many nations." Half of Poles like Czechs, Slovaks and Scandinavians. One third actually like Germans and Jews. So I wouldn't exaggerate with this hatred. But even if it's true to some extent, that wasn't the tone of your first statement. In your first statement you seemed to suggest that for some reason the whole world rightfully hates Poles. Regarding Jesus, so you think "many" Poles believe that Jesus was Polish because you met two or three morons? I have seen frum Jews arguing that species never went (or will) become extinct because Rishonim said so, and the reason we only find remains of mammoths or saber-tooth tigers is because such animals never existed and God tricks us or they all live happily somewhere, for example on an undiscovered island. Really. And those guys were serious. Should I conclude that those are common beliefs in Israel? "Now let me ask you something: what brought you to this newspaper and this article in particular" I often comment in this newspaper. Part of my Jewish-related interest. "And yes - most Israelis like myself do not like Poles" Any data? People who dislike other people often defend their views claiming that "everybody does it". "For obvious anti-Semitic reasons such as 1000 years of Polish Catholic anti-Semitism" And what about centuries of safe haven given to an unprecedented number of Jews when the latter where chased from most of Western Europe?

not ONE person in this TB looked at the questions and thought about it- All immediately got on the anit-semit bandwagon and agreed with the survey. This survey has been done before, same questions, probably same people- etc..... the questions are LEADING questions, the type of questions that would be thrown out if asked in a court. It is called putting the answer in people's mouth...... the survey stinks. It gave you exactly what you wanted, the confirmation that everybody is against you, blames you for everything, wallow in self-pity. You were hoping for it- what a disappointment that there are still people who love Israel despite all this- ?

Dzięki!

Look at those questions, answer honestly, IF instead of Jews it would say, Americans or Swiss, etc. how would you answer? • Jews ( or Americans?) have too much power in the business world. • Jews (or Americans?) have too much power in international financial markets. these questions are seriously flawed, biased and leading questions. I could put together a cheap questianaire against Arabs, against any nationality or race or religion- The ADL is not doing anybody a service with this. The mission statement of the ADL is... same justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike"- well- it better think about this again!

Your response indicates that it is you and not me that is confused and a non academic. Chris in my view stupid question reveals that you are no academics. Yes, the German intelligentsia would be maximum 2% of the German population - correct, due to the fact that Jews were a tiny portion of Germany's population, and all intellectuals of Germany were a tiny part of the population. Therefore it is not so strange that Jews could have had such a significant role among a small minority. Bt in case you and Chris missed this point - this is point. The point is that the intelligentsia was tiny in Germany and that Jews constituted 50% of it despite Jews being a tiny minority. Obviously it became to complicated for you and Chris. Now answer my question: what are two Poles doing in an Israeli newspaper?

Funny discussion. I think you are missing the point all the way. It is not about IQ, Nobel prizes, or PISA tests etc. Jews were hated in Europe always. Period. It was because of religious reasons like "the Jews killed Jesus" (They did not. The Romans did it, but were never persecuted for it). Jews were communists and capitalist at the same time. Jews were assimilated or secluded at the same time. Jews were rich or they were poor at the same time. Whatever they ever were was always enough and a good reason to hate them. Now there are no Jews left in Europe. About 70% of the European Jews (about 0.1% of the European population) live in France or in the UK and 70% of those in greater Paris or London. Most Europeans have never seen a Jew in their life (except on TV). Still they hate the Jews. It will never change, so we just have to accept the fact that Europeans are anti-Semitic. The Jews can't solve this problem for the Europeans and the Europeans do not want to admit the existence of this problem. End of story.

You requested data Justine. Is it enough to say that hundreds of thousands of Jews live in Israel whose parents or grandparents lived in Poland? And why do you think they moved? And what do you think the rest of us Israelis think of Poles? And why do you think Poland is basically ethnically clean of Jews if there is such a love based relationship between Jews and Poles? And why do you think the Germans built many of their concentration camps in Poland? Because most Poles during WW2 were anti-Semites and Germans needed to build the camps were people would resist as little as possible to the concentration camps. There is your data. I have not provided you with any information or proof? You have to be kidding me my dear friend. The information that you need regarding Jewish achievement in the world over centuries is available in books. Poland is experiencing a rise in its economy due to capitalist reforms - yes - I know - because I studied business and economic history so I would be the very first person to tell you that social, financial and political institutions matter for the well being of society. And that is why countries such as Israel, Germany, France, UK, USA, Japan, Canada and Australia - just to mention a few - are so developed. And Poland had to do some catching up - just like the rest of the Eastern European republics. But Poland and Eastern Europe are still lagging behind and Israel is actually ore competitive then the economies of Spain, France, Italy just to mention a few examples. You feel afraid that there are Israelis like myself? You mean that you are afraid that Jews/Israelis can hate Poles? And you don't understand why? And you call yourself an academic? And why are you so afraid and why would it matter to you? You don't live in Israel - do you? You claim that this or that percentage of European nations like and dislike Poles and you constantly reiterate "data please". Where is your data? Yes, Jews did civilize Poland and Spain centuries ago. If it sounds patronizing - I guess I am doing my job well. If you read literature on economic history, you will learn that Spain's economy and development was going down when the Jews were forced to leave Spain after the Spanish Inquisition. Question: If Jews did not play a decisive role in Spain, why did Spain's technological and scientific development stagnate when Jews were forced out? Jews such as mathematicians, physicians, astronomers, philosophers and so on.

Stefan, your 17'000 (according to the latest survey) Jewish brothers in Switzerland would be mortified to hear you speak like this. "most Europeans have never seen a Jew".... and what does a Jew look like in your eyes....?. Frankly, I think most Europeans don't give race or religion a thought, unless they are asked leading questions like the ADL was asking. Asking a person about his religion is considered very rude in most countries, America included- .

Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them a question, saying, What think ye of the Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in the Spirit call him Lord, saying, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I put thine enemies underneath thy feet? If David then calleth him Lord, how is he his son? And no one was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions. I'm ready to change my opinion if you prove me otherwise... write me on the mail... i'm only intrested of truth

When I say "everybody hates he Poles" I was referring to Poland's neighbors. Second, Polish kings gave Jews a safe haven - the Polish people always hated Jews, and if you disagree with me on that you have to explain to me why millions of Jews lived in Poland before the Holocaust and somewhere between 5000-8000 Jews are left in Poland? Why is that most of the concentration camps were built in Poland? Why is it that the Poles stole Jewish property during and after WW2 and many Jews have still not got their property back? Why is it that the Polish language is literally RIDDLED with perverted, disgusting, monstrous racist, anti-Jewish anti-Semitic statements regarding Jewish appearance, character, "greed" and "thirst for money, blood and power"? And speaking about Polish intellectualism: why is it that Poland before WW2 had one of the largest Jewish populations in the world and also one of the largest concentrations of intellectuals in the world and why is that Poles today are not an intellectual, economic, scientific and technological power house? Could it be because almost no Jews are left? Do you know how many "Polish" authors were actually Jewish? Jews did not have "some" influence - Jews had an ENORMOUS influence on Poland for centuries. And what do Jews get in return? Polish anti-Semitism, as clearly indicated in the above mentioned article "31% of Europeans blame economic crisis on Jews". And I happen to understand Polish quite well. Why is it that the overwhelming majority of Polish talk backs in Polish newspapers are EXTREMELY anti-Semitic, calling for Israel's destruction, accusing Israel of "occupation of Palestine" - the very same pathetic Polish Catholic anti-Semites that constantly reiterated "when are you Jews going back to your homeland - Palestine?" First, Jews have been kicked out from Israel into exile into many lands - one of them being Poland. Then Jews are being kicked by Poles and other gentiles - telling Jews to go back to Israel/"Palestine". When Jews finally have come back to Israel, Poles want Israel destroyed. And you wonder why I and most Israelis hate Poles? No, I do not refer to other Israelis' hatred for Poles to give legitimacy to my own hostility to Poles - I am merely making a factual statement. And if you don't believe me you can visit Israel yourself.

I am very happy that already in the middle of your second lenghty and vague post you came to the same conclusion that took me one minute, namely that: 1+1= 2 and 2% of inteligentsia in German population is too low number. I am very impressed. With best regards K.

"And why do you think the Germans built many of their concentration camps in Poland? Because most Poles during WW2 were anti-Semites and Germans needed to build the camps were people would resist as little as possible to the concentration camps. There is your data." You call blank assertions data? That's a creative way of calling things. You are wrong again. I heard this statement many times, but it does not change the fact that it has no basis. It only proves that no matter what sentiments Jews have towards Poles, they are at least partially based on falsities or that you need falsities to defend them. First, let me ask, how could Poles resist camps and if they could, why did they not save hundreds of thousands of non-Jewish Poles from being killed there? This alone raises a doubt. But more fundamentally, there is no proof for the assertion you made, no record of Germans really making such calculations and no historian advancing this argument. Even more, I've seen (Jewish) scholars stating explicitly that it is false. Germans put concentration camps in occupied Poland because that's where Jews lived - most of them. "-Does the fact that the "Final Solution" took place in the East say anything about the nations of Eastern Europe? - No, it has to do with the concentration of Jews. Had there been a larger concentration of Jews in the Balkans, the extermination would have taken place there. Since most of the Jews were in Poland and Russia, the main killing centers were in those areas." (David Bankier, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, http://www1.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%203642.pdf) "You mean that you are afraid that Jews/Israelis can hate Poles? And you don't understand why? And you call yourself an academic? And why are you so afraid and why would it matter to you? You don't live in Israel - do you?" You don't live in Poland, do you? So why did you start to rant about Poles? Afraid…no. Maybe disappointed. To an extent, because no matter what the sentiments of the majority are, I know there are pro-Polish Jews in Israel. I'm not an academic. BTW, the negative sentiments do not prevent Israelis from trying to get their Polish citizenship back to work/study in the EU ;) One of the few Israeli Jews I knew personally was trying to do that. Oh, and your arguments regarding civilizing effects 1. do not relate to Poland 2. are patronizing 3. are exagerated. And you never really explained the "intellectually retarded" thing. Unless by "intellectually retarded" you mean "not having the scientific achievements of most advanced nations", but that is not what it means to me.

You constantly request data, but I see none in your two talk backs of 103 and 104. Requesting data and giving none yourself smells like hypocrisy to me. You like Jews? Good for you. You want a medal? I dislike Poles - and you know why. And, yes, there are good, decent, honest and pro-Israeli/pro-Jewish Poles - you might even be one of them - assuming that you speak the truth - but you being pro-Jewish - that's what you claim - does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the Poles are deeply anti-Semitic, and by that I do not necessarily mean people willing to use violence against Jews - but the ordinary mainstream people - "the man on the street" - holds in Poland many and deeply rooted anti-Jewish racist feelings and sentiments. Poland is basically ethnically clean of Jews today - here is your data. I'm not trying to ride on my own or anyone else's "reputation" dear friend. I am simply stating facts. When I said that Poles are Spaniards are "retarded" - by that I do not mean that every single individual Spaniard and Pole is evil, biased, primitive and uneducated. By that I meant the overwhelming majority of the Poles and Spaniards are primitive. I never claimed that there are no enlightened and highly intellectual Poles and Spaniards - but Israelis have a much higher percentage of adacemics than Poles and Spaniards - and this is not in order to patronize anyone - it is simply a factual statement. It is indeed also a factual statement that Jews historically speaking have had a culture that encourages people to study and learn. That culture has NOT been a part of the overwhelming majority of the Europeans throughout the ages. Yes, even the ancient Israelites were farmers. That's not my point. By the time when Poles, Spaniards and other Europeans took their first stumbling steps toward civilization in the 800s, 900s and 1000s AD, creating an agrarian base for their societies and teaching their own kings and nobles how to read and write, the average and common Jewish man was literate and a much higher percentage of the Jews were intellectuals as compared to their gentile neighbors in Europe. I recommend you read "A History of the Jews" by Solomon Grayzel and "A History of the Jewish People" by H.H. Ben Sasson of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem - the capital of Israel. And by the time Europeans took their first stumbling steps towards civilization around 1000 AD, Jews had already been a civilization with traditions, customs, alphabet, language, philosophy, medicine, science, literature and so on for 3000 years. And Jews were not people of the land because Poles and Spaniards prohibited Jews from working the land and/or owning the land. So the gentiles had to dig the ground and Jews had to dig their minds. And quite frankly: your statement regarding ostensible Ashkenazi "intellectual superiority" over Sephardim actually disgusts me for several reasons: we are all Jews and brothers - related by bloodline, history and common ancestry. Two, Jews of Persia and the Arab Caliphate were outstanding intellectuals. Maybe you have heard of Talmud Bavli that was composed, written by and conceived by Jews of Mesopotamia/Babylonia or rather Persia in the centuries after the start of common era. Those Jews had never been to Europe. And what about Jewish philosophers, scientists and mathematicians in North Africa during the middle ages and during Arab conquest? They never lived in Europe. And what about the trade between "European" and "Oriental" Jews? Christian Europeans and Muslim Arabs and/or Arabized Berbers/Turks/Kurds/Africans needed Jews as the Jews could tie the Mediterranean basin together with continental Europe due to trading skills and language skills. And what about Maimonides and other Jewish philosophers in Muslim Spain before the Spanish Catholic conquest? How do you explain their existence? They were hardly "Polish Jews."

No Chris, you are completely wrong. The Jews did not constitute 2% of the German intelligentsia. The German intelligentsia constituted maximum 2% of the German population. Jews constituted 50% of the German intelligentsia. What took you a minute to understand too me a second to understand. It is not me but you that is cretin, because I have explained to you in the most simple and uncomplicated fashion - that even a Pole can understand. And I repeat myself again: The Jews did not constitute 2% of the German intelligentsia. The Jews constituted 50% of the German intelligentsia. But the German intelligentsia clearly constituted less than 2% of the total German population. It is clearly that you and Justine have difficulties with mathematics and logical thinking.

and flocks of local hamas will form government in every stupid european country to tell europeans to dress decently and to stop listening music, israel will remain humanitys only hope!

31% of a flawed survey- that leaves, how many? 69% that do NOT think so. The same survey was done in America too- they never published that- wonder why? Big brother America did worse? Most Europeans don't give a rat's ass who is working for them or who they are working for- as long as that person is doing his job..... There are racists everywhere- reading some of the TB during the election campaign in Israel tells me they are in Israel too-. This kind of survey serves one purpose only: to reinforce the believe that the whole world is against Israel and the Jews- .