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New footage from Marmara ship: 'Millions of martyrs to Gaza'
Roni Sofer
Published: 18.06.10, 14:54
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61. Propaghanda
George ,   Anytown USA   (06.18.10)
More useless noise from Israel to try and paint itself in a better light. Good luck!! Israel has made stuff up like this in past who says they did not manufacture this as well. Does anybody real trust them at this point?
62. Noble Cause-Sukara
newyorkone   (06.18.10)
You have to be cautious when you mention payback. The entire nation of Turkey exists upon land stolen from the Greek Byzantine Empire, Istanbul itself only becoming Turkish in 1454. Millions of Christian Greeks and Armenians were killed in order to establish the Ottoman Empire of which you are so proud, and Turkey today continues to oppress Kurds, and to illegally occupy Northern Cyprus. In truth, Islam's expansion, from Arabia throughout the Middle East, was attained by force of arms and conquest, and millions of indigenous people were killed or oppressed. The existence of the State of Israel represents only the return of the indigenous inhabitants to sovereignty in their land. I bet the Kurds and the Cypriots (Turks only conquered Cyprus in the 1600's) wish they could do the same!
63. TIME TO CLOSE THE SHOW ???.
Arn. ,   SWEDEN.   (06.18.10)
ISAIAH CHAPTER 11 14But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; Arn.
64. #25: Liar
emanon ,   USA   (06.18.10)
65. #25, are you nuts?
Golani ,   Vineland, USA   (06.18.10)
Number 25, not sure if you have had any counter or anti terror training, but when a soldier or Law Enforcement Officer is saving others, and yes they were saving the Israelis who were attack, you do whatever it takes to save the lives of "the good guys". If they had to shoot, they shot. If the Israelis had any bad intent, there would have been many more wounded and killed, but the IDF is not like "the bad guys". I guess we see where your support is, "not with the good guys".
66. #62
Sukara ,   Turkey   (06.18.10)
# of civilians killed by ottoman army in 622 years = 0 OTOH # of civilians killed by israeli army in 30 minutes = 9 # of civilians killed by israeli army in 40 days = 1500
67. #44 matty Groves and teh Turkish raders
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (06.18.10)
The PKK also are civilians but they are in the USA terrorist list along with hamas, When a terrorist takes a lethal weapon or object to attack someone else he/she is no longer a civilian. For example in Turkey there are hundreds of children (minors) in jail for throwing stone to the Turkish military forces. These are PKK supporters. Some as young as 13 years. The IHH members on that ship (according to the captain) smuggled disk cutters and started to cut the ship's deck two hours before the IDF came. IHH leaders are bragging about their glorious GAZA (war) in the Turkish media day in day out. And compare this with the other ships that surrender peacefully you will get the picture better. And also the peace activists from other countries are not raising their voices in support of the IHH in this matter. Could it be that they are ashamed to be related to the violent IHH? At least one supporter of the flotilla here in USA - CT thinks like that.
68. egyptian newsreporter repeated same in his newspaper article
ralph   (06.18.10)
hit the f**n world over its head with this!
69. observer the exact words are here
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (06.18.10)
IHH leader Bulent Yildirim's exact words taken from the video are here: "komandolari gonderirseniz buradan sizi asagiya atacagiz" exact translation (I am a native Turkish speaker and a very fluent one). "if you send the commandos we will throw you down from here". Since the Arabic guy was only a translator his translation might be a little bit off especially when you take from Turkish to Arabic then from Arabic to English. My translation is his exact words. But more importantly is the tone of his speech and the reaction from the audience as well as the images of the people in the audience. The entire speech sounds like a call for a war with a person coaching them to say "TEKBIR" when necessary. It is clear from that video that this group was not made of peace activists. They were agitators. The captain of the ship also confirmed this fact. What is even worse is that the Turkish government was aware of it and to avoid criticism the AKP parliamentarians who were scheduled to be in the ship canceled at the last minute and re registered the ship n Comor Islands. I believe that Israel should not negotiate the return of the Mavi Marmara to Turkey. Instead they should discuss the fate of the ship with the Comoran government.
70. Sukara
newyorkone   (06.18.10)
Do you really believe that in all the wars for the conquest of Anatolia, Iraq, Syria, Israel, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, the Hijaz, Greece, Cyprus, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Bosnia, Yemen, Asir, no civilians were killed? What about the million and half Armenians in 1915-1916? Do you seriously think that all of the conquered peoples asked the Ottomans to come in and rule them? Check your history books-it's not pretty! The nine civilians killed were not civilians, but armed terrorists, trying to kill Israeli soldiers. And as for the 1500 civilians you allege were killed by the Israeli army in 40 days, what is your proof?
71. #70 if he really meant that
observer   (06.18.10)
then throwing them down from there is nothing compared with machine gunning and live bullets. even native Turkish can't ignore the circumstance of unarmed civilians who did not expect a drop of commandos from air. Takbir is as you said couched words meant to raise spirits for people that are going to face 4-5 days of hardship. So, Israel has that complete asset, but leaks only part; of it; is not that out of context doctoring. what about machine gunning shots from choppers even before setting foot on the ship is that self defense. or, those were really Paintball Guns?
72. #66 Sukara
Cynthia ,   USA   (06.18.10)
Those fired upon by the IDF were not carrying olive branches. We've watched the Turkish jihadis stab soldiers, beat them with metal pipes, toss grenades at them and attempt to lynch them. You must come from a tough neighborhood in Turkey if you refer to these terrorists as civilians. The Palestinians fired over 8000 kassams and bombs at Israeli civilians and proceeded to fire 80 kassams per day ignoring all calls to stop before Israel attacked Gaza. The majority of those killed during the war were Hamas fighters who used civilians as human shields. The Palestinians learned the hard way that firing missiles and bombs at Israel will result in a fatal outcome.
73. Martyr literally means "witness" it doesn't mean kill people
lara ,   Australia   (06.19.10)
In other contexts it is used to reffer to "One who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles", in this case, they would rather die to help the Palestinians than to let them continue to suffer. They are discussing the threats from Israel to launch a military fleet to attack the ship. they go on to say "IF" Israel sends its commandos to attack them, god willing, they will throw them into the sea. And what they said was true. Israel sent commandos and were humiliated in front of the world for their actions. Obviously, Israel did not have the balls to make threats to the ships which followed because of the mess they made the first time. Hence the reason why the outcome was different.
74. ALL THE VIDEOS CONFISCATED ASAP
François ,   Montréal   (06.19.10)
Israel must let us see all the evidence, all the confiscated videos and film. Then the world will judge.
75. #71 observer
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (06.19.10)
There are many teenagers in Turkey as young as 13 in Jails for throwing stones to the Turkish military forces. These children are PKK supporters and they are incarcerated for long sentences to which the AIHM (The European Court of Human Rights) is objecting for years. As you see even for Turkey young children throwing stones to the military forces is a crime. Stones can kill as much as guns. All other ships surrendered peacefully making a peaceful statement. The Turkish Ship and IHH made those peaceful protesters also look bad in the eyes of the free world.
76. #73
Marilyn ,   USA   (06.19.10)
This is in Christianity, not Islam. In Islam, I think that it is that the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords. In the video, it is marketed like so that some of these other people had a chance at being a martyr and this is something to them. It's all in who your heros are.
77. #75 if legal, blockade is to inspect, not kidnap & hijack
(06.19.10)
how can Gaza blockade be legal, if no single country recognizes; you can say the blockade is only unilateral legal measure on the Israeli side.
78.  Organizer of "Freedom Flotilla -Bulent Yildirim in Gaza
Danielle   (06.19.10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCR1-jRf5HY
79. Blockade is recognized
David Israel ,   New York, USA   (06.19.10)
Not only by USA Egypt and many other countries but it is also recommended by Mahmud Abbas
80. Israel took over the ship to confiscate the video
observer   (06.20.10)
81. why should I trust you?
Lion   (06.20.10)
82. It is legal by national law no Israeli law.
Lion   (06.20.10)
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