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Young Palestinians visit Yad Vashem
Zvi Singer
Published: 23.07.10, 07:52
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1. Lesson for us all
Yakov ,   Tel Aviv   (07.23.10)
While real progress, real peace seems a world away; those with real vision are like "A". Despite all the hate and fighting, are real leaders, like "A". "A" and all those who visited Yad Vashem set an example of what is righteous. I look forward to the day, when I can visit your world, and learn as well. You should be very proud of yourself!
2. an invitation
bandora etrog   (07.23.10)
yakov, why do you look forward to the day you get to visit 'A's world? why not go now? why wait? the world of palestinians is only 'different' because the occupation makes it so. end the occupation and all people can live normal lives. end segregation and all people can learn about one another. end racism and all people can live in a tolerant and equal society. that's the future we need.
3. How simple, bandora
Linichka ,   Gdynia, Poland   (07.23.10)
The "occupation" can't end until the reason for it - Palestinian terrorism - ends. Perhaps that day will arrive if more on their side exhibit a desire for real dialogue, as this A. has done.
4. Good, A.!
Ted   (07.23.10)
Yes, it is so important for both sides to understand each other. i think the same can go for the Israelis. It is a pity that most Israelis only learn classical Arabic language in school and not understand nor speak the language.
5. Holocaust in Gaza?
Justice ,   Justville   (07.23.10)
According to CIA World Factbook data, the Gaza Strip is compared to all countries of the world and are the 6th highest in terms of growth rate. Yet they claim that there is a holocaust happening there? Their population soars each year and they say there is genocide happening there? Since when does genocide increase rather than decrease population???? Id like to know!!!
6. linichka, you are being disingenuos
bandora etrog   (07.23.10)
the reason for the occupation is palestinian terrorism? what planet do you live on?!?! stop blaming the victims and be honest with yourself. the occupation exists because of (some) jews desire for a greater israel which is exclusively jewish. if i came and took your home, land, crops, killed a few of your family. put you in prison, you'd just say ok, go ahead? i very much doubt it.
7. Palestinians visit Yad Vashem
Guardian of Israel ,   Israel   (07.23.10)
Hatreds of all kinds usually thrive with ignorance. In the Middke East many are denied an opportunity to learn truths but are fed a steady diet of disinformation by those who cling to power. Enlightening the masses is not one of their priorities. Palestinians see the world through the prism of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict just as many South Africans saw the world through the prism of Apartheid. That is their basis for comparison even though it is a completely invalid one. One has to rise above the local biases and prejudices and view matters in a much broader context. One has to break out of the local mindset.
8. 5 Holocaust in Gaza
Ahoovah   (07.23.10)
I read that Obesity, overweight is a huge problem there They have one of the highest rate in the world
9. yea ,Humanity overcome enmity
Salma ,   Palestine   (07.23.10)
Important step for us, we must learn more about the Holocaust, I'm really looking forward to visit Yad Vashem, maybe in the future, if i can get permission from the descendants of of Holocaust victims !
10. Touchy subject for Step in Right Direction
Yaakov ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.23.10)
It is good that they are curious and ventured out to see real evidence in order o learn about it. However, as evidenced by the article they are haveing a hard time getting past the biased propaganda they were raised on from the crib, which is understandable. BUt they also have to get passed the propaganda of the "Israeli occupation" and see the truth that they are occupiers in the land of Israel from the surrounding lands ..esp. Arabian peninsula is their homeland as Arabs and thereby build a new respect for the owners of the land on which they occupy. Also, look at the connection of the holocaust and the genocidal wishes and pronouncements that re made against Jews/Israelis all the time by their people. Moreover the fact that the Nazis were inspired by the Muslims (both Arab and Turkish (think the Armenian , Assyrian genocides)) murderous pogroms against Jews on and off over the centuries and Turkish institutionalizing and organization applied to it without even mentioning the Muftis and other Arabs serving in the NAzi Army. I don't expect this to be easy as they are taught hate and violent propaganda everyday in their societies...this would demand a strong character.
11. Salma, permission is needed because of terrorism
Israeli   (07.23.10)
There has been violence all along but once Israelis got fed up with it, then the checkpoints went up. Years ago, a Palestinian from Gaza could travel freely. VIolence is the reason for the limitations on travel. Stop reversing history.
12. Bandora: What do you consider occupied?
Adam   (07.23.10)
'48 Israel or post-'67 Israel? If it is '48 Israel, you need to be clear that you believe Tel Aviv to be occupied and that Israel should not exist in any form. If it is post-67 Israel, you need to study history a bit more. The PLO was founded in 1964, 3 years before the 6 Day War. Israel did not choose to go to war in 67, it was forced upon her. When the '48 War of Independence ended, Israel let Arabs within her borders stay; the Arabs made Jordan (because they didn't establish a "Palestine"; people have no problem with that, apparently) judenrein.
13. Yad Vashem - Salma
PoppY   (07.23.10)
Selma I am so happy you are considering to visit Yad Vashem I am sure if you request permission it will be granted. I wish more palestians would come and visit and then you will be able to see that the Holocast was real and cannot be compared to anything else which has happened in our time
14. arabs visit yad vashem
moron ,   galut   (07.23.10)
they already know it happened and the horror of it..they want to learn how to do it again ...this is true of all of israel's enemies and it's a mistake to think the horror will make them more moral or that if they feel guilty they will hate less
15. Justice
Daniela   (07.23.10)
you can't compare what happens in Gaza with what happened in Europe during the WWII. 6 milions of innocent civilian jews were killed only because they were jews. In Gaza militants of hamas are getting killed while fighting the existance of Israel. People of Gaza support hamas, how do you think we can make peace with palestinians? They should send all their terrorist leaders away if they really want peace with us and if they want their own state.
16. is turn around fair play?
arieh zimmerman ,   Kibbutz Zikim, Israe   (07.23.10)
I do not remember Israelis, young or otherwise, expressing a desire to learn about the Arab experience of Nakba.
17. moron, galut
arieh zimmerman ,   Zikim, Israel   (07.23.10)
The name fits. The moron, racist idiot is the enemy of peace and all who would see it.
18. Holocoust and New Generation of Palestinian Arabs.
Anna ,   Montreal, Canada   (07.24.10)
They already know Holocaust happened. Internet can provide you with lots of information about this matter. Israelis must create an new exhibition and to keep it as a permanent exposition with the story of Israel and the terrorism against Israelis. The story of the struggle between Muslims and Jews must be shown and explained. These young people don't know that there was time when Arabs and Jews could travel to each other areas without any trouble. The wave of the interest from the young Generation of Arabs must be appreciated and used to show them there is another way to built healthier relations between two people. After all they were neighbors for the millennium. By the way, Salma and Co., the same road blocks are preventing Jews to visit Arabs. The security works both ways.
19. #2 #6. Israel is the Jewish peoples homeland from which
Jae ,   Lynn US   (07.24.10)
Th world will be made a better place. It will not happen under hamastan, it will not happen under fatahstan . you are a delusional leftist Jew who has a 60 year working history of his people. Try to learn the other 3960 years instead of being a patheticly brazen ignoramus.
20. #16 #17 arieh. Maybe you also like to compare
Jae ,   Lynn USA   (07.24.10)
the grape in my refrigerator with Napa Valley too. 6,000,000 80% of prewar European Jewry murdered systematically in all ways possible. Have some self respect, that means have some integrity, learn about your4000 yr Jewish past or dont preach idiocy to us. Islam and arabism is a conquering dominating force. Its a world or rule or be ruled. dominate or submit. Get it holmes?
21. To 16
Shimon ,   Poleg   (07.24.10)
We in Isael live here and know that the Arabs that didn't leave in 48 are still in their homes! We learn the truth from 48 such as the account of the Mukhtar of Dir Yassin who stated that due to the lies spread of a 'massacre' in his villlage thousands of Arabs fled Jaffa and Haifa. The Mukhtar states that the Arab lies of a 'Nakba' which were intended to stir up anger and racial hatred against Jews (such as in Hebron in the anti-Jewish massacres of 29) served the zionist cause and thousands ran. Those Arabs with intelligence stayed and are todays Israeli Arabs of Ramle Lod Akko, Haifa Jaffa etc. there were 700,000 Arabs who ran in 48. However 1000000 Jews were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries they had no choice, my father's family were expelled from Aden and my wife's parents from tripoli. These places are now Judenrein. your post shows a deep ignorance of facts and I refer you to read the texts of what happened start with the Mukhtar od Dir Yassin and other Palestinian accounts of their so-called Nakba! I doubt you even live in this country to write such nonsense you are probably sitting in America!
22. adam
bandora etrog   (07.24.10)
i am continuall studying history and i know full well that banging on in such a blah, blah, blah fashion is pointless. i agree, i don't agree. whatever. this is about people, about rights, about injustices. all hasbara is flawed as it takes facts and twists them to suit the narrative you choose. israel let arabs stay? really? i'd rather look at people and do what is right, not use history as a stick to beat people. israel exists, so do palestinians. there's no difference between us except for those who arrogantly believe they are better and have more entitlement than anyone else. i don't buy into that crap and would prefer everyone learns about each others history and respects each others story. but people like you cannot do that so what hope can we have for any future with bigots like you?
23. yad vashem #17
moron ,   galut   (07.24.10)
as long as arabs have honor killings it's the middle east and peace will come from strength or divine intervention--not from baseless complaints abour'racism' or from appeasement--look at a map!
24. #5 Yad Vashem
Simcha ,   So.Cal.USA   (07.23.10)
You have to remember that these are young people that have not just been un-educated on the Holocaust and the history around it but deliberatly mis-educated in this regard. They had no frame of referance. Who could possibly imagine? Now they have seen and the truth will spread and more will come to see. And there are those old words "...and the truth shall set you free"
25. visit to yad vashim
Moad arqoub ,   Rammalah   (07.24.10)
i am surprised,couse what was published in Printed Yediot Ahronot in hebrew..and what published the link is not what I have said exactly! ...anyway ...thank you for sharing ! next visit will be Palestinians and Israelis, we will visit the destroyed villages and Yad Vashim !
26. Palestinians in Yad Vashem, where is the story?
observer   (07.24.10)
the story will be when Yad Vashem is brought in East Jerusalem.
27. To #9 Salma
Mike ,   US   (07.24.10)
Salma, you definitely get your permission only after you learn how to spell Israel correctly. It's spelled Israel, not "israel".
28. #26 in you're dreams
Omri ,   Israel   (07.24.10)
Mp reason for it to move to east jerusalem, or maybe you got one?
29. to #6 theyr no victims their leder at the time
ghostq   (07.25.10)
haj amin al husseini was the best friend of hitler at that time. go check it.. it will open your eyes.
30. to Salma
Moad Arqoub   (07.25.10)
Salma..Please send me email ASAP
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