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Story of life and death
Hagai Segal
Published: 23.07.10, 14:00
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31. Occupation of what?
Omri ,   telaviv   (07.23.10)
You Arabs were murdering us long before there was any occupation. You love death like we love life. that is all there is to it.
32. Two solutions
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (07.23.10)
First and best solution end the occupation. Send the murdering terrorists out of our lands. Every single person that claims to be a 'Palestinian' needs to return to their own country - Jordan. They can name it anything they want. Second solution is to stop treating these terrorists and their families. Just like the Arabs have treated us for over 60 years.
33. Reality Bites
Stan ,   Holon   (07.23.10)
He killed a combatant/officer in occupied territory, so by definition it was an act self defensive. As for Israelis giving medical aid to Palestinians well as long as we occupy them we are obliged by law. However this is trickled down only to Jerusalemite Arabs and that is because we integrated them into our tax and social welfare system and some West Bank cases that get the necessary permits. As for the argument that we left Gaza and South Lebanon and that did not help, well we still Occupy Sheba farms in Lebanon or so we are told but more important we do not have a peace treaty with Lebanon like we do with Jordan and Egypt. Those borders have been very quite so it works, Peace. As a point to all of us entitled Israelis, if we look at it through Palestinian eyes we are occupiers; we occupy the west Bank and East Jerusalem and we hold Gazans as prisoners. In order that we aspire for peace and tranquility we need to give back East Jerusalem, West Bank, solve the refugee issue in some way and get this conflict resolved. Until then we should expect no less than we are getting. I for one have served in the army and have been part of this, it is not sustainable, and we treat them like animals. So either we can get used to it and not cry when we get hurt or choose another way. A reminder to some talk-backers about self-sustenance, we control their water and we give them whatever we choose, we control the access and we allow in what we want. We control the borders and we decide who can leave, we do not allow them to import anything that allows them to be independent. Example, they can import cows for diary production, we allow them a little every now and then and then Tnuva fills the gap. Import of powdered milk is rationed and not enough, medicine are controlled, etc etc we are not doing this for security reasons but for economic reasons. Look at practices of Agrexco, the mobile phone companies, Tnuva, Teva, etc we hold their economy to our benefit, we dump their markets when we want, and starve them when we want. So how can they ever be dependent on anyone but us? Those who served in the Civil Administration and have a college degree know this first hand. Please understand that occupation has become a trade a lively hood for many Israelis and giving it up is suicide. Likewise resistance and struggle is the trade of the PLO LTD and Hamas Holding. It is more about money than anything else. This is conflict 101, start learning reality and stop righteous arguments.
34. Cut all ties with Gaza now.
jsm   (07.23.10)
Cut all ties with Gaza now. Let them manage there own port. Thee own borders with Egypt and build there own hospitals. Each missile gets a shell right back to its launch site.
35. The Pali culture is based on hatred, violence and deception
Frank ,   USA   (07.23.10)
Nothing new there. The problem is not with the Pali Arabs but with the crazy Jews who treat the enemies with honor and respect. Do you really think you can change them/transform them? NEVER!
36. to #18 Salma and the Occupation
Yaakov ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.23.10)
We are not occupying. How can we occupy our own land. We have been here for nearly 4,000 years. Some left for a while and came back to join us. You are foreign conquerors, invaders, new arrivals on our land living in our cities and houses....some still carrying depressions in the doorpost from our Mezuzas. Our names of our cities and towns you still call them by but with an Arabic accent..these have no meaning in Arabic. hahaha. You are in illegal occupation of our land. The people of Israel are indigenous to the land of ISrael while the Arabs (while those of you that are Turks from Turkey) are indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula. You came from Arabia, Egypt, Iraq,Syria (well the area that later was artificially invented by Europeans) and Northern Africa ..Moghreb. Most of you are newly arrived looking for jobs from Jews a few generations ago (as exposed by the rule UNWRA had to lower from the minimum 5 years residency in Israel for a foreign Arab to be qualified as a "Refugee" to only 2 or 3 years in order to receive benefits in 1949). While there are some of you who indeed lives in occupation in the land of ISrael since conquering Jews many generations ago (or hundreds of years). Either way you are occupiers stealing the Land from its rightful owners. You do not have documents proving you bought the land from a Jew therefore you are illegal squatters. We know the few that arrived many generations ago came with the sword and slit our throats, gayfully and some may have just squatted. The east bank of ISrael (and its Jordan river) was stolen from us -77% of our land- to make an illegal (as per international law as well as history) Arab Muslim state called Jordan to appease a spoiled Saudi brother for the Two State solution (partitioning it illegally into 2 States..one west of the Jordan for Jews and the eastern part of Israel was given to the Arabs). Now they want to run a Three state solution down our throats. Who are you trying to fool? ..How many Muslim states do you want on our land? We know the answer-no Jewish state in the Jewish homeland. You can not fool a truly educated person, Salma. I deal in facts while many people accept or promote falsehoods and fantasy. So go back to your countries and stop fighting a Fascist-imperialist war of occupation. END the OCCUPATION now! I agree. You know what? We will be extra magnanimous.. You may go to Jordan the eastern half of palistine (which historically Palestine=Land of ISrael....thanks to the Romans look it up) even though it is Arab-occupied Eastern Israel. You can stay there as our guest unless you attack us again from there like in the past...if you violate the peace treaty then this time we will rightfully according to historical right and international law liberate our eastern Territory as well. Stop the murdering and END the OCCUPATION, NOW!
37. # 26
Birdi ,   Israel   (07.23.10)
BRAVO Len, your post is music to my ears.
38. Rape by Deception
observer   (07.23.10)
in 2008, a man convicted of rape pretended to be an official in the Housing Ministry. He promised women he could get them an apartment if they slept with him. last Monday, a married Arab man jailed for Rape after posing as a bachelor Jew to dupe a Jewish woman into sex. "If she hadn't thought the accuser was a Jewish bachelor interested in a serious romantic relationship, she would not have cooperated," Judge Zvi Segal wrote in his verdict. but, he didn't lie about his identity. So, will the Israeli doctors put back what they removed from his daughter's eye.
39. :: The irony of this article
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (07.23.10)
You know this article would be much more poignant if it were not for the fact that the author, Hagai Segal, is a convicted Jewish terrorist. It is a matter of public record that Segal planted a car bomb in the early 80’s in which the Arab mayor of Ramallah lost his leg in the explosion. Segal is also on record as saying: “As I said in the trial, I am at peace with what I've done. A few of our friends said they were sorry. I was not one of them. I feel that the people who are hurt deserved what they got”. It is truly ironic to see one convicted unrepentant terrorist that the moral high ground and condemn another.
40. #5
Jane   (07.23.10)
Who said they are your territories? Who the hell are YOU? The territories to which you refer used to belong to Egypt and Jordan who stole them. You never opened your big freaking mouth then. So shut the hell up YOU.
41. stop arguing with idiots
David Zimbalist ,   NJUSA   (07.23.10)
we are wasting our energies. those that want peace with Israel have on power to change situation. Jews must learn lesson of WWII: we are alone in the world, protect yourselves because most wish us ill. fiorst priority of Jews is defense, not opinion of enemies. objective first is our survival
42. to #3
charmeur ,   eu   (07.23.10)
I disagree and say: Keep the medical care up, no matter what.
43. PALS ARE CHANGING
Joao Eduardo Santos ,   Araçatuba - SP   (07.23.10)
Most of the world like to see Israelis as occupiers. In reality, 7 million Israelis hate the occupation. It is done only by 500.000 stupid Israelis. If Israelis really wanted to occupy Palestine they would have done that with 1 million Russians that arrived. But I have the feeling that 7 million Israelis just want to live their lives in Tel Aviv, Nethania, Eilat. THey pay the price for the incapacity of their government. On the other side, Palestinians are changing. At least in the West Bank. They now have rock shows, malls, modern cities being built. On both sides, the majority are normal and compassionate people. Extremists in both side - Gaza and the settlements - have to be contained to put an end to this horrible conflict.
44. #14 You are alive because we allow you to little shrimp
Yaniv ,   Israel   (07.23.10)
45. Many times I have said....
Dino Domingo ,   Vancouver, Canada   (07.23.10)
I support Israel and Judaism but have been critical of many of their policies and lack of regard on many issues... I still feel that way but today I have to say after reading this brief article I think for these types of instances they need to react harshly. I believe in being fair, noble, honest and help your neighbor but this is above and beyond comprehension... I can understand how many Israelis must feel... I was vibrating with anger after I read this article! This incident should be broadcast throughout Israel and all over the Muslim Nations so people get an idea of the insane non humans they call their neighbors! I have lived amonsgt Muslima here in Canada and Europe... Never have I ever seen anything like this...PATHETIC!
46. #43
alan ,   texas   (07.23.10)
It's all Israel's land!
47. to #43 Joao Eduardo Santos
Yaakov ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.23.10)
With all due respect you do not really have 100% grasp of the situation. I do appreciate you trying though. BTW, there is an Olympic size swimming pool and major MALL opened in GAZA. In truth not even the "re-settlers" are occupiers as that is our land and has been for 4,000 years. The Arabs are the occupiers from all over the occupied Middle East..but with roots in the Arabian Peninsula. Some arrived few generations ago (See my post #36) some conquered and occupied hundreds of years ago. The truth is in their twisted reality in order to justify their occupation of Israeli land they say that all Jews are settlers in their land..not just in Judea and Samaria as you say. They don't want Jews living anywhere int he Jewish homeland. That is the real problem.
48. Stop treating palis in our hospitals!
jason white ,   afula, israel   (07.23.10)
The government should conficate all the money and property of these organizations that have money for medical treatments and operations of palis. Keep them out of Israel permanently and screw the "humanitarian" groups. Let them treat the palis in gaza or on arab occupied Israeli territory. Next ti,e treat the ulcer in a terrorist's daughter's eye with a .22 short.
49. why he killed, after his daughter was saved by israel
eporue ,   europe   (07.23.10)
...because he very obviously gives a f:ck about his daughter... he wasnt grateful, that she was helped, because he is not interested in her wellbeing...
50. he is not a terrorist
ian ,   haifa   (07.23.10)
since he killed a police officer instead civilians.
51. to 47 - Yakov
Joao Eduardo ,   Araçatuba - Brazil   (07.23.10)
With all due respect, people like you, inside the green line and still attached to the idea of 4000 years are the main obstacles to peace. Forget about the West Bank, Gaza, Jordan, Southern Syria. You will never have it back again. Just imagine if the Native indias in Brazil now start to claim back Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and so on. Israel has the right to live in the Green Line. Period. This is what most of Israelis want and that~s what the world want to recognize to Israel. It is good Gazans now have swimming pool and shopping centers. They will think twince before sending qassans to Israel again. If they can see that malls are better than qassans, this is a huge step. Once they have their mind fixed, we have to take care of minds like yours, still denying the Palestinians a home and the only cause of the continuation of the conflict.
52. to 46 and 47
Joao Eduardo ,   Brazil   (07.23.10)
It´s so sad when we goym have to explain to you Israelis the reasons why Israel is legitime... But, let me go again. The whole story has to do with antisemitism, not with a caprice to return to an old, backwarded land. That´s why American, Iranian, Brazilian Jews dont want to make alliah... They are happy where they are. Those who went to Israel for the sake of religion would not be critical mass to make a country. But those who went due to persecution and discrimination managed to make a wonderful country. Their motivation is different. Many plans before the Partition offered the Jews lands of little historical value, like the Peel Commission, that exclude Jerusalem, and the Zionists accepted. Palestine is not your land. It belongs to 4 million people that simply hate you and most of Israelis dont want to rule them. But Israel inside the green line can be your country if you open your eyes quickly. When I listen to comments from people like you, I feel sorry for hundreds of Israelis, decent, nice, creative people that just want to live their lives, inside the green line, dancing in clubs, going to beaches, making music. These are the good Israelis. You represent the backwarded mentality that keep the peace far away.
53. to # 52 You are too thick to understand
jason white ,   afula,israel   (07.24.10)
This is our Jewish holyland. It has nothing to do with islam. They just want to take over the religious sites and areas of others. They want to conquer the world. They will try to take over Brazil also in time. Plenty of Jews have made alyah from the U.S., iran and many parts of so. America. It is not only a religious question, but we want to return to the land of our forefathers. We were here long before mohammad was born. We are here to stay forever. The arabs have 23 countries as well as a number of non arab moslim countries. We only have a small country. Most of the palestinian mandate was given to the great grandfather of the present king of jordan by the british. Look at a map and see how small Israel is compared to arab countries. You want us to give parts of it away to terrorists? Forget it! Also how do you want Israelis to enjoy life, when your friends the palis want to bomb discos, restaurants,cafes and buses? How about all the thousands of rockets and mortars they fired on us? palestine never existed. This land was given to us, read the Bible. You have the mentality of an anti Zionist and someone who would see Israel destroyed. Think about returning all of Brazil to the rightful owners, the Indian tribes and go back to portugal!
54. Joao Eduardo
Anna ,   Montreal, Canada   (07.24.10)
You write from the point of view of the Europeans who felt deep guilt toward Jews after the WWII. Jews saw in the establishment of Israel prophetical sign. Thee are more then 70 different nationalities living in Israel. And most of them consider themselves as Jews. Most of these people immigrated with the believe that creation of Israel is a miracle. There are many who came as the refugees because of the oppressions left Israel because the life is not easy there. Among this group of people you will find religious and not. You are bringing up some of the historical facts about Jerusalem and omitting to talk about the others like: decision made by Churchill to give Jews much less of the previously promised land of Palestine. And you avoiding the fact that Israel captured East Jerusalem in the war that was started by her neighbors. You repeatedly dividing Israelis on Good and Bad. Palestine is belong to the Jews and here why: When Zionists religious Jews arrived to Palestine they found there functioning synagogues and their brothers Jews. The population of Palestine was very small, the land was neglected, and most of the people lived in the small villages and 4 "holy cities:: Safed, Tiberias, Hebron and Jerusalem.[. There were Jews, Arabs, Armenians, Druze, Bedouins, Bahá'ís, Samaritans and others as well. But only Zionists Jews settled in Palestine with the matter to give this land a new life. Zionists built the base of today's Israel. They didn't steal, they didn't kill in order to expropriate the land. Step by step they were buying land creating the roads, digging the wails,developing agriculture and building their future country. Their dedication to this land is equal to the first British colonists in America. The fight started later in the 20th century ...
55. "Palestine belongs to 4 million people that simply hate you"
Anna ,   Montreal, Canada   (07.24.10)
Really? It's sad that some other people, not Jews by religious or genetic affiliation, waste their life to give unusable advices instead of helping to create democratic tendencies and the environment for the free thinking in the region. All what Gazans need is a real freedom to be able to say to Hamas: " I disagree". Why don't you and people like you ever ask the simple question: "How come there is no complains against Hamas from Gazans? Is it normal?" The cooperation between Israel and PA in Judea and Samaria created very positive economical growth for the last. Slowly but steadily it will come the right moment to call West Bank "Palestine". But you won't be the one who will close the deal.
56. Since when killing a Police officer is not murder
Jorge ,   Tegucigalpa   (07.24.10)
That police officer was driving by, and that murderer, without provocation attacked him, since when, a policeman is not a human beign. It is the same argument the Nazis used against Jews, they were "untermenchn", then it was ok to murder them, it is the same song we now hear from muslim radicals, Jews are dogs and apes My point is, IAN, you are a very sick person
57. To: No. 43
Sarah B ,   U.S.A. / Israel   (07.24.10)
I don't know what part of the West Bank you visited, but there are no modern cities, no rock shows and no malls. There is, on the other hand, a crumbling infrastructure, rampant inflation and unemployment hovering perilously close to 40%. The Arab parts of the West Bank look like the worst favella in Brazil. The areas controlled by the Palestine Authority look exactly the way they did when Israel acquired Judea and Samaria in 1967. All of the improvements made by Israel have now disappeared into dust as a result of Palestinian greed and corruption and Palestinian inability to govern. The Palestinians will never change. They continue to cling stubbornly to the fantasy that Israel will somehow magically go away. Sixty-plus years of stark reality has not changed this fantasy. Israel has grown into an economic powerhouse, and the Palestinians are growing ever more primitive. Sad, but it is what it is.
58. #14 Palestinian. Jews were in our land 2600 years prior to
Yochanan ,   Judea Israel   (07.24.10)
Mohammed being a drop of semen. Get a clue and read some knowledge, not mein kampf and not the protocols you twisted nut. Evenb read your OWN KORAN! Sura 21:6 How ignorant are you? Thanks for telling us.
59. Joao Eduardo #50 wrong answer
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (07.23.10)
According to a little thing called INTERNATIONAL LAW all land west of the Jordan River belongs to the Jews and cannot be given to another government or group. This is what the laws actually state. The Arabs have absolutely zero legal claims to any of the land. There have been 3 separate laws passed giving us our lands. I challenge you or anybody else in the entire world to provide a single international law that gives the Arabs any claim at all. It does not exist.
60. #52 Brazil: "We goyim"
Steve   (07.24.10)
I'm sure you know, "goyim" is more often than not used as a pejorative. I don't like the term. I never use the term. Only you use the term of opprobrium to describe yourself, as in "we goyim." If the shoe fits, then wear it.
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