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Obama, we’re not suckers
Avi Trengo
Published: 30.08.10, 18:14
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31. to #29
yehoshua ,   usa   (08.31.10)
there are many Chinese and Indian Jewish Zionists just waiting for the chance to immigrate to EREZ ISRAEL. That will solve the demographic problem. You will remain a minority. Just wait-and-see.
32. ANAHNU LO FREIRIM
LAWRENCE RAP ARTISTE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (08.30.10)
WE ARE NOT SUCKERS .Now where is that bridge you want to sell me ?
33. Another Obama column. When will we read a Netanyahu column?
Marcella   (08.31.10)
I agree with the criticism of Obama, but he's not the one partitioning your land. It's your own prime minister who has agreed to give parts of his country away. I can't stress enough the fact that while you don't have control over what Obama does, you DO have some control over what your leadership does. It's not up to Bibi or Obama but up to the people of Israel to decide what is done with YOUR land.
34. To #26
Sakma ,   Palestine   (08.30.10)
The Rabbi is nuts don't pay attention to him. The whole point is that "final" is never really "final" . There are going to be more attacks against Israel - what ever the agreement with the Palestinians say. Trengo is right that the issue is with all the Muslim Ummah and not just one group
35. Salma #29 not even close to the truth
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (08.30.10)
The Rabbi said no such thing, unlike what your government has stated daily for 14 years. This ain't your land. You have no legal claim. Get off our land.
36. :: That's fine #29, Hejaz is all yours
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (08.30.10)
It is about time that you return all occupied territories in the Middle East, Africa and Asia to the native peoples that you reduced to insignificant numbers.
37. Whay Is Israel Talking ?
Dan ,   USA   (08.30.10)
In two months the congress of the United States will be changed from Democratic rule ( read: Obama rule ) to a Republican House and perhaps Senate. This will stalemate Obama until Nov. 2012 at which time he will be thrown out of office. So Israeli's must ask their government the question: why is Bibi talking to the PA? When the talks break down or when Israel once again gives concessions Israel will still be condemmed by the world press. There is no reason to talk at this time.
38. o. We are not suckers
Ezra ,   Florida   (08.30.10)
Yes you are ! Big time sucker ! Any president who declares openly to the world that he cannot protect his country/s borders and thus laying the red carpet to the terrorists , IS A SUCKER ! Any one who let illegal imigrants (about 20-30 million of them) dictate what one of his states (Arizona) should not do (enforcing the law) IS A SUCKER . Any president who defend those law-non-abiding people who go rampant in his country IS A SUCKER ! Any president who gives so willingly complete medical insurance and schooling to the illegals and does not , in most cases collect taxes, IS A SUCKER ! Shold I go on?Yes mr. Obama, you are A BIG SUCKER !And the American people who so wiilingly elected you (Particularly jews) ARE BIGGER SUCKERS than you could ever be !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
39. violence article
yoav   (08.30.10)
The writer expresses violence in the way he writes. I feel sorry for him.
40. To Selma - about the Rabbi Yosef + read comment #22
Avi Trengo   (08.30.10)
The Rabbi is not the smartest man he once was. I totally object his call. I think by now even he understand that what he did was wrong stupid. It is good that the State department condemned it right away. I condemn it as well. I am a big supporter of Palestinian independence. For over 20 years I have been a "peace now" activist (until 2002). Here is the video that shows what went on the Mavi Marmara . As someone who is in your home town (Nablus) quite a lot I know this is not an isolated incident - yet I support your right for independence http://www.israelwhat.com/2010/05/31/flotilla-chant-khaybar-khaybar-oh-jews-the-army-of-mohammed-will-return The questions that I raised in this article are simple and well explained in comment #22.
41. To Rham Emanul
Ex-supporter   (08.30.10)
This is the problem with overreaching at home and appeasing abroad. You lose the credibility necessary for getting people to roll the dice with you.
42. Bravo! You hit the nail on the head!
Edward ,   New York, USA   (08.31.10)
Netanyahu, should bring these truths to the first meeting: Abbas and the PA have no power to commit to let alone enforce a peace treaty with Israel. No one including 60% of the America public, has any faith in anything Obama can devise, nor does anyone want to follow his lead. The best thing that could happen is that Netanyahu, Abbas, and Obama share a beer together and agree never to meet again.
43. Salma, Jordan
Yallah Yallah ,   Eurabia   (08.31.10)
"wounder how will you defend yourself against Palestinian demography ?!!" Yes you Arabs do it a lot. Not really fair as sharia allows your men to have multiple wives. Just take a look at Europe. Filled shawarma shops and mosques with hordes of scarved women trolling around aimlessly with thousands of babies. I have news for you Salama, you best prepare to move back to your true homeland, Jordan. The West will eventually revolt against the moslem invasion in Europe. Even the so called "moderate" Europeans are beginning to "get it" finally thanks to courageous leaders like Geert Wilders. Your people will eventually be forcefully removed back to your respective homelands which will provide Israel with the necessary impetus to reclaim the rest of their ancient homeland. The Israeli Arabs will remain but the remaining "squatters" will be expelled to Jordan where you can multiply as much as you please. Think this is a joke? Israel already forcefully removed 7,000 Zionist settlers from Gaza against her will. Removing the so-called "Plaesitnians" from the remainder of the Holy land would not only be a duty and a necessity but also a pleasure. Bom Voyage.
44. Obama = a child to whom power was given by super-stupid peop
Ora ,   Canada   (08.31.10)
I wondered at the stupidity of Americans who elected Obama, many of whom did so just because he was black and knew how to speak well. They thought that by electing Obama they would absolve the white American soul of any wrongs done in the past. By electing him they brought a huge calamity to America, Israel and the rest of the world. He is NOT a leader, unless you call demonic, stupid, people who have been given universal power leaders. He is despicable. Bibi should not heed him. Obama is in a rush because he knows that come November he will equal ZERO.
45. the end of the conflict
sahar ,   jerusalem   (08.31.10)
between israil and the palastinians becouse there is no conflict between moslemes and jews ..so the other option is to continue in this conflict if it is between jews and moslemes i think israil would be in lala future with or without obama but if it is between palastinians and isral it must be ended if it is not now may be the second or thir or tenth years i think time is not beside israil in palastinians israil conflict and it is dangerouse if it is moslemes jews conflict this is becouse many effects specialy the demographic aspects .. sure te west will not support jews to ruin their sociaties or their rellations with moslemes states
46. Obama is super anti Israel
Jonathan   (08.31.10)
And that's a fact. Lying about the real and actual status of Iran's weapons capabilities is just one small items in a long list of claerly anti Zionisms acts by Obama. Luckily(?) Ah MAD inajad is smarter, to a point where the average american will understand how bad Obama is.
47. Jeff # 6 As a non-Jew and not even a Republican, I fully
Steven ,   Portland, OR USA   (08.31.10)
agree with your statement. Actually, probably most Americans feel the same way at this point.
48. Trengo is a lefty peacnik
Dor   (08.31.10)
Trengo tells Obama to deal with the REAL issue : The refusal to deal with Islamic imperialism and the unwillingness to accept any Jewish homeland in the middle east and you all think he is a "right winger". The man had been a Peace Now activist for at least a decade as far as I remember - use to meet him in peace now office on Yavne street in Tel-Aviv. Last Peace Now demonstartion that I saw him was in 2002 - maybe he changed but he used to be for a Palestinian independence. I fully understand where he is coming from , wish I knew where is a going. Lost touch with him but reading his article I don't see any indication that he against peace - he is just one more peace nick who found out that "ending the occupation" is not a panacea.
49. Palestinian Demography Salma #29
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (08.31.10)
You've had every opportunity to educate yourself here on Ynet, Salma, yet you continue to make false statements and false threats, this time concerning demographic concerns. Please read some of the recent articles by Yoram Ettinger whoposes some crucial points vis a vis the significant inflation of Palestinian population, i.e., the counting of the Arab east Jerusalem population twice, as well as the gross overprediction of the increasing Palestinian birthrate and etcetera. The demographic timebomb, Salma, is never going to go off according to Mr. Ettinger. If you have a studied critique of Yoram Ettinger's demographic work, please, let us view it.
50. Warning! Obama wants to justify his
zooog ,   US   (08.31.10)
Nobel Peace prize over Israel's dead body. Hang in there. He's a one term president. After November, he will be impotent.
51. Post #48: What is the real point of your
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (08.31.10)
comment, Dor? Are you angry with Mr. Trengo because he changed his perspective? If, in fact, he did change, rather than a flaw in his character wouldn't his ability to adapt and alter his views be the mark of an intelligent, honourable and honest man? I fail to understand why you would write such a post other than as an expression of personal hostility. At any rate, you've convinced me to admre Mr. Trengo all the more. Thanks.
52. Robert Haymond ,how accurate is Ettinger's demographic work?
Salma ,   Palestine   (08.31.10)
I'm personally not that good at math like Mr. Yoram Ettinger ;) P.S: I'm not really interested in Palestinian or Jewish demography, but raised my interest the words of Mr. Trengo " defend ourselves – against the Palestinian demography"! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ,Robert ?!
53. #40 What is Palestinian independence for you, Avi?!
Salma ,   Palestine   (08.31.10)
I read comment No. 22 ....With all due respect to you and Robert, it is nonsense nothing more than, you know that the PLO recognized of "Israel", to recognize that it's a state for Jews, this not happened with Egypt .. not with Jordan, and sure not with us ! For Fatah and Hamas want to destroy the Zionist entity , these are just threats, while in reality "Israel" destroyed the Palestinian community, then how can you expect that the world who do nothing to help us to achieve the minimum of our national aspirations, would allow us to destroy "Israel"? ! just excuses and justifications for not making peace, Isn't It , Avi ?! Think carefuly
54. Massive Anti Obma Rally not reported
DAVID ,   Jerusalem Israel   (08.31.10)
Why has the majority of the Israeli media with the exception of Haaretz and Channel two imposed a complete blackout on the half million history making rally last Saturday in DC organized by Fox News Glenn Beck ? Maybey they dont want to show Obama as weak in the upociming "Peace Talks"?
55. we must thank the liberal jews for their backing of BHO
dovdevan ,   ashdod,israel   (08.31.10)
the problem with liberal jews is that they think they can solve the middle east conflict because of their "intelectual superiority" . give me a break it is the same arrogance that lead to the OSLO disaster . having peaceful ideas won't solve the problems on the ground we are not dreamers mr Obama o
56. we must thank the liberal jews for their backing of BHO
dovdevan ,   ashdod,israel   (08.31.10)
the problem with liberal jews is that they think they can solve the middle east conflict because of their "intelectual superiority" . give me a break it is the same arrogance that lead to the OSLO disaster . having peaceful ideas won't solve the problems on the ground we are not dreamers mr Obama o
57. suckers
colin   (08.31.10)
We are not suckers says the muslim american president He is 100% right HE IS ONLY AN IDIOTIC DEMANDING EGOMANIAN WIMP Nobody takes notice of his wimpers. His rating has fallen to nothing. Even americans have realised he is an outright liar.
58. How do you protects yourself against Palestinian demography?
Sam   (08.31.10)
59. Salma #52: Stop playing the disingenuous
Robert Haymond ,   Israel/Canada   (08.31.10)
card. I'm sure you count very well and your comments (in what is a foreign language to you no less) assure us that you are very smart. Just read Ettinger's work. Many articles have appeared in Ynet. Then update yourself on other regional demographic experts so that you are aware of the various arguments with respect to current population figures and predictions of future ones as well.
60. Thank You Avi Trengo for this brilliant article
Ken Jurist   (08.31.10)
All your points are right on the money. This is what Olmert and Barak found out. The only genuine core issue is the ideology that refuses to accept the existence of a national home for the Jewish people in the Middle East (within any borders.) Islamic imperialism seeks to spread in all directions, while the tiny Israel is like a thorn in its side at the heart of its home base, the Middle East.
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