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Published: 01.10.10, 09:26
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61. Mata Hari Groves #'s 27 & 28
Hal ,   Usa   (10.01.10)
" And what media would that be? Can you name any of these less biased media outlets? ". You mean less biased than your sources? Less biased than you always seem to be? Except for your impersonator Mata Hari, you are a rank bigot. You never miss an opportunity to slam Israel for defending itself while giving a pass to some of the worst human rights violators on the planet. Put the Norwegians up there with the rest of the European hypocrites, a group you fit in well with. As for the plunking of the Norwegian poster Mata, you would find it novel that a person in Norway might find his country's contradictory hypocracy on human rights as regards to Israel an embarressment. Much the same as people of good conscience in Fairport find you to be a repugnant fool. My appologies to the Matty impersonator who is not tarred by the same brush.
62. I hope
Rune F ,   Oslo Norway   (10.01.10)
I hope that the people who denies The uboats will open their eyes and not belive all the media lies against Israel.
63. :: Brian - #60
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (10.01.10)
No - let Israel make peace and remove the illegal settlers back to Israel proper and relocate the so-called “security wall” on the internationally recognized Israeli-Palestine border(s). So what you are saying is that there is no co-existence between the illegal Israeli settlers and the local Palestinians. You see Brian ‘shopping and working together’ is not real “co-existence”, real co-existence is living together and you won’t achieve this by building walls and oppressing another people. Where the WB? If you are referring to the WB then the Samaritans pop to mind and maybe a few Armenians but to be honest Brian not a lot of ethnic/racial/social groups want to live in the Israeli occupied WB where they can be attacked by the IDF and illegal Israeli settlers. As the Ynuts have pointed out on many occasions the Palestinians don’t have a country let alone a “national immigration policy”. Just playing my part in not legitimizing the illegal settlements.
64. :: Hal - #61 - You can’t either?
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (10.01.10)
So you can’t list or name any unbiased media outlets either? I seriously doubt that any Ynut can list any media outlets that they consider kosher and if they did it would probably be such hate sites as Jihadwatch or Debka files etc, they certainly wouldn’t cite any internationally respected media outlets.
65. :: Anon - #52
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (10.01.10)
I was referring to the Palestinian WB in my post at #34 and I never claimed that there was “apartheid in Israel”. “Security” you say? “Security” for Israel or “Security” for the illegal Israeli settlements? I assume you mean Israeli Arabs citizens? I would also point out that not all Israeli Arabs are ‘Muslims’ as some of them as Christians. “War” you say? When was this Declaration of War officially made and by whom? Then don’t use mine, here is the definition from thefreedictionary.com a•part•heid (noun) 1. An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination against nonwhites. 2. A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups. 3. The condition of being separated from others; segregation. Hmmm, sounds a lot like my definition doesn’t it?!
66. :: Doug Roberts - #35
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (10.01.10)
Do you believe in the complete restoration and redemption of the Jewish people and the land of Israel so that “God's spirit” will be poured out on Israel so that the entire Israeli nation will turn to faith in Jesus the Messiah?
67. # 57 Norwegian export of weapons
Norwegian Citizen ,   Oslo, Norway   (10.01.10)
# 57 mannie165: Norway (the "peace" nation) is big on export of war material: Norway was the worlds 7th largest weaponexport in 2006 - 3.5% of the global market. In 2007 we exported weapons (ammunition, weapons & tanks) for 2.16 billion norwegian kroner (2,16 NKR = 1,35 ILS). In 2008 the number in NKR was 4.2 billion - as a comparison I can tell that we spent 4.3 billion to build our Opera. We also export a lot of oil, gas and aluminium plus salmon & other fish. Here are some more historic facts about Arbeiderpartiet (shameful historic facts I must add): After WW2 the norwegian jews that escaped/survived Shoa returned to Norway, but not all of them were allowed to return because of laws made by Arbeiderpartiet (the labour party). For example: jews that fled without owning a norwegian passport were not allowed to re-enter the kingdom (but this was changed after some political pressure). Arbeiderpartiet also made specific rules for jews (I remind you this was also post WW2) so that they did not get their belongings, property, businesses and houses/apartments (that were stolen from them during the nazi regime) back. The other Norwegian citizens, that had property sieged, got theirs back - but not the jews.
68. :: Brian - Co-existence
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (10.01.10)
It has been reported today that the illegal Israeli settlers have been bulldozing and burning Palestinian fields in order to establish a new illegal settlements west of the Urif village near Nablus in the heart of the Palestinian WB. How can you talk about “co-existence” when the policy of the illegal settlers and the Yesha council is for the establishment of these illegal settlements at the expense of the local Palestinians? I tell you what why don’t we get some beers and pizza ‘to go’ and we can sit out in the fields and watch the Palestinians try and pick their olives while they are attacked by Israeli settlers, maybe we can also tour the charred remains of an olive grove or two after they are burnt to the ground by the settlers in a late night attack. Brian such event as I have described above happen every year without fail, these attacks are carried out by the very same people you represent. What are you going to do this year to stop these attacks? Will you help the Palestinians harvest their crops and protect them from violent settlers?
69. Lox
zooog ,   US   (10.01.10)
In the past, I have purchased Lox from Salmon grown in Norway. In the future, I will be more discriminating.
70. I see Norway wants to be a goat nation when the Jewish
Rivkah   (10.01.10)
Messiah comes to judge the nations for how they treated the Jews. Zechariah the Prophet said there will be sheep nations and goat nations when the Messiah returns as the Lion of Judah to the Mount of Olives to defeat all the nations of the earth gathered against Israel at Armageddon. What happens to goat nations? They are cast into the lake of fire and their people become stubble and dust for the righteous to walk on. Norway had best change its offensive policies if it wants to be a sheep nation in the reign of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
71. Norway still mad over Israel's miss use of its heavy water
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (10.01.10)
Norway sold heavy water to Israel in 1959 with agreement that it would be used for peaceful purposes only and could do on-site inspection of Dimona. Israel has admitted to using Norway's heavy water since early 1960's and admitted to making plutonium at Dimona but since no full on-site inspections have been allowed to date to verify plutonium not used for nukes per agreement. US has also sold heavy water to Israel in the past with agreement for peaceful purpose only. Atleast 20tons of heavy water Norway sold to other countries has made its way to India per Swiss records.
72. boycott norway and norwegian proucts! (end)
pini ,   usa   (10.01.10)
73. Matty, son are you upset!
Grandma Savta ,   Israel   (10.01.10)
I don't know what you have against that Cohen fellow, but when I visit my grandchildren out there I see the Palestinians in their fields all the time. And I'm talking about driving out regularly the past 12 years. I suspect you're afraid to go see this Brian Cohen because you might not find any burned olive groves. I've seen lots of Palestinian groves and never one of them burned. My son says there are something like 800,000 dunams of Palestinian groves. How many of them are burned? I have never seen any burned in all my yearsw of driving there. although i did see tv reports on the news here once or twice. And where is Fairport anyhways? Have you ever been to the west bank to see for yourself Mr. Groves?
74. #67 Norwegian Boycott
mannie165 ,   U.K.   (10.01.10)
We are going to avoid Norwegian sardines & salmon. Thanks for the info on the racist Arbeiderpartiet. I was not aware that the Norwegian government was so antisemitic.
75. @#12: England
Bat Zion ,   Centre, Israel   (10.01.10)
To follow your logic, All security trade with England should be stopped, all English products should be boycotted, all aid ti this vicious and terrorist regime should be halted until England returns to its 1066 borders. End the occupation of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Gibraltar and the Malvinas (Falkland Islands), dismantle the settlements, and start behaving like a civilised nation instaed of a bunch of self centered idiots. (sic)
76. swedish racism against the sami people
sweeter than honey ,   far away   (10.01.10)
is nothing to do with this story. or is it? Swedish race biologist Hjalmar Lundborg wanted to prove that the Sami´s was of an inferior race... professor Gustav von Düben, a man who collected Sami skulls in an attempt to prove the difference in the the Sami character and psychology... the councellor of the defence who was appointed by the government (The Sami's had no saying in the matter) in the set of trials over native landrights during the years 1966 - 1981 was a former Nazi who had been photographed in Nazi time Germany whilst celebrating Adolph Hitlers 50 year birthday! nothing to do with this minority group and (hail) nordica?
77. Dear bernard
alexa ,   Israel   (10.01.10)
You really mean that until Israel won't exist anymore as a jewish state then you'll be satisfied. Or maybe until we exist no more will be even better
78. Buy Norwegian Goods!
Maggie ,   Maine, USA   (10.01.10)
Makes me just want to hug a Norwegian! You can tell someone has morals when they are labeled anti-semitic by Israelis who don't like to be criticized for their past and continuing brutality to non-Jews. So, thanks for your morals, Norway! You do the world proud! May the urge to stand up for what's right spread!
79. # 73
Birdi ,   Israel   (10.01.10)
Grandma savta, you are GADOL. Bless you.
80. :: Grandma Grandma - #73
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (10.01.10)
You should really get out more, in 2009 alone the IDF and Israeli settlers uprooted or burnt at least 14,000 olive trees in the West Bank. Here are some B'Tselem reports so you know what to look out for: http://tiny.cc/mqboejmf2m He is quite right and I think he probably got that number from a Yesh Din report which also states: “In *all* of the cases documented by Yesh Din, in which Israeli civilians used violence against Palestinian harvesters, IDF soldiers stood by and did nothing” Source: http://tiny.cc/jgycd Well it is good of you to recognize that the illegal settlers do destroy Palestinian land and olive groves even if you are ignorant on the full extent of this mindless destruction.
81. @ matty
pini ,   usa   (10.01.10)
whats a palestinian? I keep checking the map and see no palestine? Are you poss refferring to the jordanian arabs in the west bank left there after Jordan idiotically attacked Israel and lost, and also didnt ask for the land back it lost for a peace agreement>? hmmm... Help!
82. #16 Yehudi
Lobo ,   USA   (10.01.10)
GREAT IDEA! It's a win-win for all involved. No Arabs firing rockets at Sderot/Ashkelon, killing pregnant women in Samaria, and then the Arabs would have their "state." One little problem with the plan: Can Norwegians can learn to speak Arabic quickly?
83. Poor Maggie from Maine #78!
shrinkDave ,   miami usa   (10.02.10)
Poor Maggie is angry at the Israeli Jews! Someone remind her about that little mistake about invading a country for no reason and killing hundreds of thousands of Iragis. Oops. And how bout that Afganistan! Good job Maggie! But never never forget to blame the Jews.
84. #13 - You and Goldstone overlooked something interesting
William ,   Israel   (10.02.10)
1) a good number of those homes destroyed were because of powerful IEDs Hamas placed near them to hit IDF convoys, plus weapons stored inside, and tunnels underneath - all stocked with explosives. 2) many of these buildings, including the flour mill, were used by Hamas terrorists to shoot from. According to the Geneva Convention, the civilian protection of that site is immediately cancelled. 3) There is proof that Hamas attacked their own sewage plant. IDF operations reports showed no contingents were operating in the area that day. So maybe it was the Mossad or the tooth fairy?
85. #12 - Why 1967 lines? UNR242 didn't demand this
William ,   Israel   (10.02.10)
So Norway is a "courageous" State for demanding something that the UN, a representation of all global States and in a majority vote, stated should never happen and can only be resolved between Israelis and "Palestinians"? There is nothing courageous about pushing your biased agenda on other people, circumventing diplomacy and democracy. Besides, prior to 1967, the Arabs launched almost daily cross-border attacks against civilians and launched rockets onto farming communities. There were no settlements, no blockade of Gaza, no Jews in the West Bank....so if defending our nation and our people is considered "self-centered", then I am it, buddy. I believe the Allies felt the same way too when they hit the Nazis in WWII, including Norway.
86. #18 - we did it twice - 1994, 2000, but have a problem
William ,   Israel   (10.02.10)
For some reason, we just couldn't accept the "Palestinian" demand of self-genocide and giving majority rule to the minority population of Arabs. The real issue is - the Arabs just haven't accepted the 2-State solution yet, which means a sovereign Jewish State of Israel, with security.
87. #28 - there's also a lot of "self-hating Americans"
William ,   Israel   (10.02.10)
who seem to exhibit the same frustration and distaste as this Norwegian has at the uber-Leftist take over of his country and the ingrained bias of political agendas. We'll see it materialize more in the UN come early November.
88. #38 - Who's analysis, Observer?
William ,   Israel   (10.02.10)
Your own? That's hardly as credible as the military analysts in several Western countries that sided with the IDF on this claim. The second missile, as you claim, suddenly appeared? No traces of incoming travel were exhibited in the video. Maybe the IDF fired it from deep in the Earth, upwards.
89. #38 - BTW, Hamas, IJ posted their own videos
William ,   Israel   (10.02.10)
Showing them operating inside a mosque, factories, and homes to "repel the Zionists". They were quite proud of that in the video. Check out other video footage by the IDF, including rockets and explosives stored right next to where people pray, and a back room where a high mm anti-aircraft gun with 1000 rounds was ready for use.
90. #70 Messiah crash landed at Roswell in 1947
bob ,   NZ   (10.02.10)
stone dead he is - sorry ! US Government covered it up. According to the ELS Torah codes Obama ( who was cloned from an Egyptian mummy which was on the UFO with the Messiah ) is going to proclaim himself as the Messiah. Its all written in Zechariah if you interpret it correctly. Send me $49.95 for my eBook about it ...duh
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