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Rally against loyalty oath: Israel becoming fascist
Roi Mandel
Published: 10.10.10, 17:55
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31. Loyalty to Israel, Jeish and democratic.
Spencer ,   Israel   (10.10.10)
What are those leftists, acamdemics and Arabs getting so excited about. ISRAEL IS A JEWISH State and it's also the ONLY democratic state in the Middle East. The oath of allegiance is to a "Jewish" state, NOT a "Religious Jewish" State.
32. What is "FASCIST" is to ask - Jews - to swear on democracy !
aviG   (10.10.10)
33. no difference
Michael ,   Haifa   (10.10.10)
there appears to be no essential difference between those who advocated "judenrein" and those who are pushing for "arabenrein"
34. Syndrome of Dathan an Korah!
~~Lengualima~~ ,   USAGBFR   (10.10.10)
The human stupidity. I can no believe it, make a oath of loyalty is a act of facism, many, many countries in the world have this rule, many of them democratic countries. Where all citizens want to get the nationality must make a oath of loyalty. If Israel want to do the same is a fascist nation. The blindness of the left and liberals reaches the level of ridiculous. All that Israel does is wrong, All that the Arabs do is good. even a madness. When the Arabs converted a lesser fault, in higher penalty. deserving of death. the fact of selling land to Jews. The left and liberals mouth shut. Many jews do not learn from his history and almost 3.500 years after, still suffering the syndrome of Dathan and Korah.
35. Israel finally a national socialist country
Jew ,   Israel   (10.10.10)
This bill is the first step. I hope whomever supports this is happy.
36. I want to hear the intellectual argument just look the facts
zionist forever   (10.10.10)
We have heard about how its wrong for Israel to introduce this bill but if the anti loyalty oath bill feel so strongly about their arguments its wrong then please explain to me exactly what is the problem based on REALITY not IDEOLOGY. FACT - most countries demand that any potential new immigrants must swear an oath of loyalty to the country based on the countries chosen national identity. FACT - whilst there might not be a clear definition of who the state considers to be jewish even the leftists and people who are pro a secular religion free state cannot deny at this current point in time Israel is officially a jewish state. FACT - it doesn't always work properly but in theory at least Israel is a democracy. Jewish state + democracy = jewish democratic state .. as Mr Spock would say simple logic. As far as I can see the argument of the leftists is based on politically correct socialist ideology. Its also essential to have this bill if we are going to have any talks with palestinians. They still see Israel as oart of Palestine which they have a duty to liberate one day and 2 states is the launch pad. If we are ever going to have any kind of peace we need to get rid of this mindset. If they go on record and say Israel in its negotiated borders belongs to the jews not palestinians then there is nothing to liberate. As long as the dream of the liberation of all Palestine continues then peace is impossible. How about these people use the superior intellect they think the have and look at their argument from a logical point of view
37. Our kids will leave???
Moshino ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (10.10.10)
"Our children will either leave this terrible place, be put in jail or fight in the streets like in Iran" Not trying to be cynical here, but where did he get this from!? I've yet to see Israelis rebelling against the system (besides the settlers). He should have said: our kids will join the Army, go to India for a year, booze up, smoke up, make out and come back for college. Congrats on the bill. It's definitely a step in the right direction. I was always leaning towards the left before I came to Israel, but after I got here and saw that a lot of Israeli arabs do not acknowledge the sovereignty of the State of Israel and even refuse to call it by its name: ISRAEL, I can't say I am against this bill.
38. With these intellectuals it is no wonder that
Noa ,   Israel   (10.10.10)
less and less students enroll in the humanities! Everyone is sick and tired of old fashioned leftist ideology, and this is the only thing you get there.
39. The left is at it again,everyone else is wrong except for th
YSL ,   Israel   (10.10.10)
They never stop whining,put a sock in it.
40. Racist and stupid indeed...
Dan the Jafa ,   Auckland,Aotearoa   (10.10.10)
Why are Jews excluded? Judging from the rally, for some Israelis the bill is a close call - if Israeli "academics" and "intellectuals" were required to give an oath of loyalty to the state, they would have been is a sea of trouble...
41. Nobody is forcing anybody
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (10.10.10)
Immigration is a privilege not a right. Nobody is forced to immigrate to Israel. Anybody that objects to the oath can go someplace else. It's real simple.
42. Knee-Jerk Leftist Reaction - "Fascist"
Dallas ,   Canada   (10.10.10)
Discrimination means using rational thought, and there is nothing more rational than enacting an oath of allegiance. Ultra-tolerance of anything and everything, including fifth columns, is the fatal disease of leftism. You go Israel! We look to your leadership in the civilized world.
43. Majority rules.
rebecca ,   Modiin   (10.10.10)
44. to all the big artists and intelectuals
moshe ,   usa   (10.10.10)
you dont like it move to gaza
45. Its the States Survival Guys
Dav Lev ,   BurbankCAUSA   (10.10.10)
From using paint balls (flotilla), now to the requirement to sware an oath to the Jewish state..Israel is becoming the laughing stock of the planet. With a GDP of 250b, dwafting other countries, much larger, the rancor over this is absurd. Israel should debate its achievements..how can it do more, not get side tracked on outrageous nonsense. The left is over the line again, and frankly, off the wagon. I took an oath for civil service and pledged to my flag thousands of times, since K1 thru 12. So what? The blacks here have their own national anthem. US citizens, naturalized, often say their "home country", or their "beloved country"., or "my countgry", .but NOT the USA. What effect this oath will have is problematic? Will it really change anything? Sedition/treason..perhaps can better be prosecuted. If the Arabs want a final jihad..the oath wont hinder them. The real question is, what has been accomplished? That is the debate, not silly statements about fascism. The only fascism is liberalism..something Jews seem not to understand or have confused with the Torah.
46. Its All About Nukies Baby, Not an Oath
Dav Lev ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (10.10.10)
Come on guys, who is being forced up against the wall? Judenrein is what the Pales want..and some Israeli Arabs. Sure, there are a few Jews who would prefer no Muslm live in Israel. So far, only the Judenrein has gotten applause from the world. Abbas openly decries any Jew in Palestine. No Arab has been kicked out of Israel. An oath, so what. It basically is requiring some loyalty to the country..thats all. And what about the Slavs married to Jews? What do they think? Its all ridiculous..To Israelis: you have biger probolems...dont lose focus. Ahmad will toss something into your country..maybe someday a nuke. Decide how to prevent that, not the innocous requirement to pledge to Israel, loyalty.
47. Zionist Forever: Remain a Garrison State Forever
Dav Lev ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (10.10.10)
To Zionist Forever: I am a life long Zionist. I have read Jewish history going back to the burning of the Temple. If no massacres..100m Jews worldwide today. Iran/Turkey/Mexico/Vietnam, etc., all have over 75m people. and growing. The US, 305m..today, 400m in 40 years. Get it. Israel has 5.5m Jews..in 40 yrs, maybe 7m? Get it. Every country requires an oath by its new citizens..so what!. The Arabs want you Jews dead..they say so, over and over again. Put it into your thick heads. Everything else is perfidy. Hamas/Hez/Iran/Islamic Jiahd, Al Qaeda, Taliban, insurgents, Muslim Brotherhood..all with same goal..a Palestine Judenrein. No Jews wanted, but dogs allowed. Get it. When those 2 couples were murdered, the Pales rejoiced. Get it. They want your scalps...they dont want 2 states, Jewish/Arab..(ask Abbas), They never have. They want it all ,baby..from Haifa to Eilat..everything, They want to make lamp shades out of you Jews, whether secular, leftist, or Orthodox. Dont matter.
48. To Moshino: Land (people) for Land (People)
Dav Lev ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (10.10.10)
To Moshino:ask an American where his (her) loyalty lies? if born here...to the USA. If born in Mexico, or Latin America, the ans. might be surprising. Blacks have their own nationan anthem. But this is the difference., Israels Jewish population is small and divided...and it shows in all aspects of its existence,including its survival. The Arabs see it..and are waiting to take control..someday. First, Iran needs nuclear parity (Israel's 500 nukes are just too menacing). Piece by piece..Israel is being ripped asunder. It like the Chinese water torture..the last drops will hurt. Its being picked apart and pickled..from the North to the South. The disconnect as youve stated..says something. It portends the future.. You cannot force love..but you can punish misbehavior. Until Israel gets it..this will only get worse. Avis plan is correct..transfer Arabs..the land if you have to. Taking an oath however, wont have any real effect. Its too late for that. Consider 300,000 Slavs, some of whom want to be Jewish. Let them ASAP. Add 1m more Jews to Israel...as per Sharon. He was right.
49. ovadia yosef and his gang are ruling ...
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50. a headline for a bunch of old lunatic bolsheviks
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51. A sad day for Torah - Not world Jewish but radical sepratism
Josh   (10.10.10)
52. Leftists are the real fascists.
USA   (10.10.10)
Very intolerant people especially Jewish Leftists.
53. They will never come out against terror or enemies
USA   (10.10.10)
But they will always come out against Israel.
54. These leftists are a an angry breed lately.
Israeli 2   (10.10.10)
55. Adam, true, except we Americans...
Noor ,   Palestine   (10.10.10)
don't swear an oath of loyalty to the "Christian Republic" or "Anglo-Saxon Republic" of the USA. That's the difference.
56. The caption reads: "Our kids will leave."
Israeli 2   (10.11.10)
I say: Good for Israel! We do not need kids with leftist ideas and who eats the hand that feeds them.
57. "Arab" states, "Islamic" states are ok. "Jewish" state evil?
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58. Is Kanyuk's wife Jewish? All those demonstrators
Vardina   (10.11.10)
live in an imaginative baloon.
59. The REAL fascists are these people who support terror groups
YSL ,   Israel   (10.11.10)
And undermine the nation.Israel has been too lenient with these groups that are financed by dubious groups that are trying to undermine Israel.
60. Intellectuals without common sense !
Jaacov Baumann   (10.11.10)
Get your feet back on planet earth - israel is under attack from in . and outside ! Its time to wake up - no more room for intellectual narcism !
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