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Tourist's body found near Jerusalem
Ynet reporters
Published: 19.12.10, 09:59
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61. #50, if it's so safe why did your friend...
Brian ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.19.10)
...need to carry a knife with her? It's not safe for women to walk alone anywhere in Israel and that's a fact. Arabs sexualy assault and violently attack women all the time. Not to mention illegal Africans, and Some messed up Israeli men too. Anyway, why don't you shut the hell up, defending a friend on here is one thing, but throwing around insults and spouting b.s. Is another. Being a woman in Israel is not safe, and you better be smart or lucky. Not that anywhere else is better, there are animals everywhere, but anyone who wants to say Arabs are not targeting Jewish women all over this country is full of it.
62. #51 Matty Groves
Laura ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
Matty, you are so wrong, I don't know where to begin. First of all, I just visited her in the hospital and she's in a lot of pain. If that's what they call superficial wounds, I shudder to think what even moderate wounds are like! It happened like she said. She did not bind her own hands behind her back or stab herself in the back. You should wash all those ugly thoughts out of your mind and let a little sunshine in. You wrote: "I of course could be wrong but let this story run for a few more days and see if Wilson's story holds up. " In other words, guilty until proven innocent. How sick. You should be ashamed of yourself for blaming the victim.
63. #62 - "guilty until proven innocent" ?
eporue ,   europe   (12.19.10)
no - innocent, when all doubts are removed... nobody here said, there is evidence, that she is guilty, but the story (we heard here) doesnt add up well, is rather difficult to picture, and sounds all together more than fishy - by now. its not difficult, to feel for your friend in the hospital, as it was her - the tourguide, who must have known, that the area is that dangerous, as claimed here - lead the friend into it, who found her death. she probably is devastated about her own "guilt"...?
64. Nothing nationalistic about this crime
Ali ,   Washington, DC   (12.19.10)
wether the culprits were Arab or Not it's irrelevant. Jerusalem hills are a refuge for heroin addicts.
65. oh please how does one stab himself in the back you idiot
naftules ,   jerusalem   (12.19.10)
66. #65 - re idiot
eporue ,   europe   (12.19.10)
both, inflicting knife-wounds at the back and binding the own hands on the back is possible, in general. so, its not impossible. and re #64 heroin addicts... they would have cared maybe least about their own "safety", and asked for and then went to the car to search and burglar it, too ?
67. Now it's jihad on defenceless women tourists ---
Lee ,   Manchester UK   (12.19.10)
oh what big brave macho 'men' the arab rats are eh folks! Cowards of the lowest ebb - that is arab 'men' for the world to see. Aren't they happy enough to beat and rape their own women? When do this rabble ever tire of wholesale murder??
68. #14 - "fictional story"
William ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
Really? So, these women...stabbed themselves 12 times and bound themselves? Pretty amazing even for Houdini. No Salma, the only thing fictional here is the belief that anyone can coexist next to your murderous, racist terrorists. How does the story have credibility? Because its the same method of Arab violence that we have seen repeated over and over again. How many Arab women and men have we caught, at roadblocks, or trolling around Jerusalem looking for victims, with large, sharp knives in their possession? This is why when I hike I am armed. And I'm happy to deliver back your filth to you in several black bags.
69. #27 - it's not racism when you set years of precedent
William ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
this is hardly the first time your ilk have done such a thing. This has been going on for years, even during times of hopeful peace. In 1999 when times were very good I still remember Arabs working in the Tel Aviv open-air market stabbing a Jew on the street, out of the blue, for no reason. Besides, no one except the victim said they looked like Arabs, so again, how is this racism?
70. # 4 Salma savages at times
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (12.19.10)
Salma ! Your people are savages all times,you are cruel and babaric toward your own peple,let alone others,by bringing down the towers in N.Y.you are responsible for the economic depression humanity is experiencing now,Islam is amoral like National Socialism and Bolshevism,the problem with you is that you have no shame and no remoese,not in vain is the emblem of the Wahabi sect ruling Saudi Arabia 2 swords,the Saudis financed Islamic 11,therefore the USA should confiscate all the assets of the saudis in the USA,like R.E.bonds stocks as restitution for the crime they have committed and continue to commit.
71. Looks like robbery/killing to cover it up, maybe drugusers?
Bloodyscot ,   Dallas, Texas   (12.19.10)
Not sure if this was a terrorist attack or just drug users needing money for next fix, since robbery seemed their first goal I would say the latter.
72. Settle down kids...
(12.19.10)
there is a police gag order on this and there are indications that it wasn't nationalist at all....but rather can you say "Cat fight between the girls"?
73. #65 oh please...haven't u watched any CSI TV shows...
(12.19.10)
self inflicted stabbings are a big thing in America. and secondly what you should have asked was how was the survivor bound? Hands behind her back? That's also doable by oneself. In other words this is a very big fish tale of a story!
74. # 27 Wiseman
J.K. ,   Brooklyn USA   (12.19.10)
'Wiseman' ! Not Wiseman,but stupid man,you can stop being racist but you can't stop being stupid.
75. :: Laura - #62
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (12.19.10)
I am not 'blaming the victim', I stated quite clearly that I was speculating - which is all anyone can do at this stage. Like I said, from the media report, this story sounds very dubious - let the police investigate these claims before accrediting credence.
76. #51 - half of your claims are bogus
William ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
1) Two women who are on vacation together. How does that insinuate no husbands, boyfriends, or children? An amazing thing this United State they are from. The freedom there is absolute. Women even work outside the home, drive their own cars (gasp), and select their own romantic partners. I know plenty of women who vacation with friends or by themselves, and still have kids and are married. 2) She admitted to having a small knife on her person but was stabbed with a large knife. 3) wouldn't be the first time Arabs did this - out and about looking for a victim of opportunity. 4) Hamas waited almost a week after shooting Jewish civilians, one of them pregnant, outside Hebron, so their "fighters will return safely to base". 5) People have been stabbed 30 times and lived. It's not the amount of stab wounds but the damage to internal organs and arteries that causes death. Plus she was listed in critical condition with a decent amount of blood loss, according to paramedics. Based on your own analysis, I can safely deduce that you;re a certified moron.
77. #64 - Should they have yelled "Allahu Akbar"?
William ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
What makes it nationalistic? We know pretty well that even Israeli Arabs hate Israelis Jews, and a good portion aid enemies against the State. Isn't that nationalistic too? How about the Arabs trolling the Old City with a knife looking to stab a Jew? Is that not nationalistic as well, or just religious addicts? I do agree with you that these hills are full of drug addicts, but to rule out nationalistic motives is pure irresponsibility. Had it been just a robbery, why bind and kill them when you already have their money?
78. #67 - it was always "jihad" on the defenseless
William ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
that's what terrorism is. Why would any of these so-called macho fighters want to go up against the IDF and get killed? They're much happier shooting pregnant women, lynching people in cold blood, and blowing up the elderly on buses or at dinner. Regarding targeting women...these has been an MO since the 7th century.
79. #73 - didn't know that dramas are now "documentaries"
William ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
even the producers don't assert that more than 5% of a CSI story is based in fact, with the holes filled in with creative writing. I think you've joined the dregs in Hollywood who actually believe their made-up life is real.
80. #51 Violence against women fishy to Matty
Cynthia ,   USA   (12.19.10)
1. The families of these women are likely in shock and not ready to speak publicly. 2. Wilson had a pocket knife. Unfortunately, the poor woman didn't have a gun. 3. Terror attacks are also crimes of opportunity. Two women walking alone in a remote area are easy marks. 4. Terror attacks by unaffiliated terrorists are on the rise. The fact no group claimed responsibility does not mean it was not an organized attack by a terror cell. 5. Wilson was bleeding profusely when found but received timely medical intervention and was lucky her wounds were superficial. The killers left her for dead. 6. Yes Matty you "could be wrong" just like you are most of the time.
81. :: Cynthia - #80
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (12.19.10)
I implied that these omen had no male partners nor children - have you any reports to prove otherwise? As I pointed out Wilson had the same type of weapon used in the attack. Yes "Terror attacks" can be "crimes of opportunity" but Wilson claimed that this attack was premeditated. Have you any proof of this claim? A simple rule of thumb: if you are going to plan to kill someone you make damn sure that they are dead. "Most of the time" eh? I bet you can't even name two occasions where I have been proven wrong can you?
82. gag order ? what for pls ?
eporue ,   europe   (12.19.10)
on what grounds was this issued ? will ynet appeal against it ?
83. An armed society is a polite society..
moriah ,   sacramento usa   (12.19.10)
If ever there was a nation in the world where the citizens should be allowed to be armed is Israel. If she had a little firearm tucked into her waist band she could have given them a little surprise. After many little "surprises" like that and the cowards who prey on Israeli citizens would think twice ..."Do ya feel lucky, punk?"
84. #44
Non-Jew ,   England   (12.19.10)
The media (well, the BBC news) in England have reported this incident, I gather mainly because the survivor had British citizenship, but the fact that she stated that their attackers were Arabs was not mentioned once. Make of that what you will.
85. #51
Non-Jew ,   England   (12.19.10)
And I would speculate from the tenuous theories on your post that you are simply desperate to exonerate all Arabs from any guilt associated with this incident. Please just admit to yourself, there are good and bad people in any demographic or race, and if the woman said she was attacked by Arabs, there's also a reasonable chance that she was attacked by Arabs.
86. Are you Leftists Happy? Your ignorance and arrogance
Solomon ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
about Arab culture and Islamic nationalism AMONG many Israeli Arabs, has set upon us a plan to make Israel 8 miles wide, to handcuff Israel into being politically correct, and thus weak. Look around you, if you dont understand the predicament Israel is in and how when you give to the wrong person, they will only take more....then who can help you? Please please please wake UP!
87. # 82
Birdi ,   Israel   (12.19.10)
Eporue, you missed your calling, you should have been a detective.
88. # 81
(12.19.10)
Oh great one, we bow to you in awe, always being 100% correct in every talkback. Oh perfect one, how we admire you.
89. :: #88
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (12.19.10)
Your post, might have had a minuscule amount of gravitas had you out your name to it but alas not. You could have also scored some creditability had you managed to cite two occasions where I was proven to be mistaken but alas not. In fact judging from your post you are no one saying nothing of worth.
90. :: Non-Jew - #85
Matty Groves ,   Fairport   (12.19.10)
Hey you are speculating too! Good for you. You do realize that your speculation has the same amount of validity as mine don't you?
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