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'Gentile sperm leads to barbaric offspring'
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 12.01.11, 08:30
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91. 68 Christy of Boston: You say your ancestors were Barbarians
Rivkah   (01.12.11)
who conquered Rome. Do you know who the Barbarians were who conquered Rome? DANube River, DANmark, etc. Sounds like the tribe of Dan, doesn't it? Judah's Sceptor and Josef's Birthright (book) shows the migration of the lost ten tribes of Israel. They were taken captivity by the Assyrians and when the Assyrian army went to attack Judah, the Israelites escaped over the Caucasus Mountains and became known as Caucasians. Some went to Russia and others to Northern Europe (the Barbarians you say you are descended from) and some went to Ireland and Scotland and England (more Barbarians). You may not be descended from the tribes of Judah, Levi, or Benjamin (the Jews), but you are certainly descended from the tribe of Josef or Dan or one of the other lost ten tribes of Israel and are therefore a descendant of Abraham. America is Josef, the hammer of the whole earth. It is also Edom and Egypt and many other names to reflect the mixed race heritage. If you are a Barbarian, you are most likely descended from the tribe of Dan. If from Gaul (France), then the tribe of Reuben. Gaul was a source of Barbarians, too. The descendants of Abraham are fighters. They defeated the mighty Roman Empire.
92. O M G i know plenty of crazy Jews
(01.13.11)
who are plenty nuts. and for those who think we do not have the same problems as any other society well they are just deluding themselves. we have plenty of people who suffer from mental illnesses and other social problems. we do not own the rights of perfection to any of you who think we do you are nuts
93. In my family alone we have people who have not talked in yea
(01.13.11)
years to one another, and dont ask me why. if this isnt crazy, i dont know what is. and what about the crazed left wingers? are they not Jews? how about their genetics?
94. People like this monochromatically
Tomek ,   Poland   (01.13.11)
dressed racist are beyond redemption. My theory is that these religious nuts have a competition about who will manage to say the most outrageous thing.and get away with it.
95. #15 That makes sense. No one is Jewish.
Josh   (01.13.11)
Abraham's father was not Jewish. Moses'wife was a big idol worshipper and the part of the tanak that Rabbis use to justify their leadership was from a midanite priest not from G-d. Written in the second person no less. In fact it is written "for you were Gerim in Mitzraim" which according to you and your great wisdom, Gerirm can't be Jewish. That pretty much wipes the slate clean. According to you, none of the Hebrews who recieved Torah could be Jewish. Foolish petty little claimed Jewish man. You said you were a lover of pope's speaches and awe struc by chucrhes. Should such open their yaps and say goyim are barbaric? You admire looking at Jesus on the cross, you said so. Look around at the fellow on the street in Israel and tell me thugs and barbaric individuals of low character are not part of this society. Genetically fit and blood superiority is not Torah. Moses rants in the beginning of Devarim about how G-d wanted to destroy Israel. Make Moses a great nation and bump the pecking order. Moses was the one to go to great length (40 days) to convince him not to wipe us out. Moses only mentions it because he wants to make it clear superiority is not the case. He does it so people like the Rabbi are clear on the issue, ain notin superior about ya all. The Rabbi is sinning and contradicting G-d Moses and Torah. It is because of our fore fathers of lon long ago, which are responsible for the many descendants that are apostate in the world that the Rabbi mistakenly assumes are goyim.
96. AVOID stupid sperms, they grow up to be rabbis
SG ,   NJ USA   (01.13.11)
97. i agree
pini   (01.13.11)
and im not religious and am pretty liberal. there are enough babies in israel to adopt.
98. Its because of idiots like "rabbi" Lior that I left orthodox
Yitzhak S ,   Hannaton, Israel   (01.13.11)
He only proves one thing: Jews, too, can be "good Germans."
99. He is advertising insecurity as a people
Josh   (01.13.11)
The comparison of us to them is plain and simple insecurity. The way a child stands next to another on the playground to see who can jump over the rock the best. So the Rabbi over sells our hand. Plenty of barbaric genetic issues on this side of the pond too. If our people are sucked into false fears we are targets for brainwashing. There are no more monsters outside the gate than there are inside. Mental prisoners to false fears and made insecure in our thoughts regresses us to acting like a child. Superiority complexes are for jack boots.
100. Rav Lior
BF ,   Israel   (01.13.11)
Rav Lior's own granddaughter is married to the son of a convert mother and he is a very fine young man.
101. Why so much hollering,...
split ,   US   (01.13.11)
Rebbe is saying loud what most of you think but keep it under the lid ,...
102. #91 - Interesting Info
Christy ,   Boston, US   (01.13.11)
Most of my genes come from the Celts and Germans. If one reads history pertaining to the time of Rome's fall, these people groups in their various incarnations at that time weren't too popular with the Romans. Most of my ancestors eventually settled in the British Isles. Primarily Scots and Irish. The Romans seemed to refer to everyone else but themselves as Barbarians! Never heard about the connection to the tribes of Dan or Joseph though, Interesting. Joseph just happens to be one of my most favorite characters in the Hebrew Scripture. I do wonder who scientific some of these claims are. Have any DNA studies been done? How do they know, for sure, where various tribes settled?
103. Maybe he's right...
Michael Davison ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.13.11)
Because when I read this article, my first thoughts were of violence--committed against this racist a**hole. My mother was Jewish and my father was a Gentile, so I'm included in his "penetrating" analysis. It makes no difference to him that I have lived in Israel for over 40 years, served in the military, fought in two wars, worked in the Defense Establishment, raised a family with 2 Jewish children who also served in the IDF, have never been to court and can't even remember the last time I received so much as a parking ticket. I suppose he would say I'm the exception that justifes the rule. I would say that he's so desperate for his five minutes of fame that he would say anything just to get a headline. There are so many "exceptions" in the Tanakh that he should be ashamed of himself for even thinking such thoughts, much less voicing them in public. This man is a disgrace to the religion he pretends to speak for.
104. #102 Christy
(01.13.11)
As I'm sure you know, the Romans had a highly advanced civilisation which was destroyed by ''barbarian'' tribes of Germanic origin. This ushered in the dark ages where all of that civilisation was destroyed and forgotten until it was rediscovered and revived 1000 years later. Don't listen to Rivkah --she's as mad as a two bob watch. The Germanic tribes who destroyed Rome were not semites.
105. what a stupid rabbi!!!!!1
JO   (01.13.11)
We, Jewish people, have plenty normal defunct genes, like the rest of humanity. Thankfully , this Rabbi is not the normal ones I know. Question, how about all the gentile blood in Jewish people ( after all you can be Jewish with only one Jewish grandmother...the rest is gentile, and there is plenty Jews like that. He would have to advocate racial purity -100% Jewish on all sides - to ensure that. Ridiculous and absurb logic
106. 74 Dr. L. Brnd, San Diego, USA: Actor Michael Douglas is Jew
Rivkah   (01.13.11)
Jewish and he has herpes. He is recovering from a cancerous tumor caused by human papillo virus. So Jews do get herpes.
107. negative behaviors
(01.13.11)
so what's his excuse
108. Wanna Puke
Gabi   (01.13.11)
Hitler had similar feelings. The catholic church has similar feelings. Islam has similar feelings. Jehovah's Witnesses have similar feelings. Mormons have similar feelings. The early Americans had similar feelings. There have always been nut jobs with similar feelings. Everybody thinks they're the licensed spokesmen for Hashem when all they have are opinions. So Lior the Crackpot says Jews are "merciful, shy and charitable?" I don't see any of these traits coming from him. He talks out of his A$$, and the stink is disgusting.
109. Michael Douglas is NOT a Jew.
safta of 12 ,   Israel   (01.13.11)
His father is Jewish, not his mother.
110. #4, #19 - alternative is use known Jewish sperm
Frank ,   London, UK   (01.13.11)
There is a long history of halachic disquiet with the Pasuk by R Moshe Feinstein allowing artificial insemination for haredi Jews. The use of non-Jewish sperm was encouraged because these children do not have a halachic father. So if they marry - even if they marry a paternal half-sibling - the resulting children are not mamzerim. The probability that the two paternal half-siblings is of course small, but that is the thinking behind it. The national-religious movement has been traditionally much more sceptical of using gentile sperm. However, the only alternative is using known Jewish sperm donors. You can't use unknown ones because of the risk of the mamzerut problem for the next generation.
111. Shame on him!
Chaya ,   Tel Aviv   (01.13.11)
Now the media will pick up on his remarks as opposed to the other rabbis who approve of using sperm from gentiles! This is a Hillul HaShem!
112. 109 , Safta . You are 100 % right
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.13.11)
His paternal grand parents were Jewish , so ONLY his father .
113. 95 TRY # 3
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.13.11)
You are a proof that a piece of paper you [ allegedly ] have does not make you a Jew , and in your case no even a follower of the Jewish faith . Followers do'nt always attack Rabbanim . I will not fall to your LOW level and giving you the names you deserve , but i'm not , contrary to you , telling lies . Where did i say that i "loved" the pope's speaches ? can you give me the link ? I admire art , in any possible place , and not important to me what those pictures of great masters depict . It's ART , nothing else for me . Today we know genetics , and know that a convert , as you claim to be , has'nt the genes generation long TRUE Jews have .
114. 99 , no superiority complex needed towards you
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.13.11)
everyone is superior , not difficult .
115. 'Gentile sperm leads to barbaric offspring'
Anna ,   USA   (01.13.11)
Interested in your thoughts about Boaz marrying Ruth, a Moabitess. Was this wrong? I think not!
116. Jewish-Eugenics
Moshe Halevy   (01.13.11)
Great job Rabbi, Jewish-Eugenics. What better way to make us hated globally, turning us into hypocrites and robbing us of our dignity and righteousness. So first these rabbis try to strip Israel of its unique, democratic character (its only means of defense in the de-legitimization campaign). Now the so-called rabbis have become eugenic-scientists, strikingly similar to Nazi Germany.
117. Who is this moron?
Steve Eisenberg ,   NH USA   (01.13.11)
Does he still defend stoning?
118. Non-Jewish Sperm...
Shlomo Zalman Beauch ,   Rio Rancho, NM (USA)   (01.13.11)
בס''ד It May Not Be Popular With The World As It Is Today, But I Fully Agree With Rabbi Lior.
119. Jewish offspring
ninasimone00001 ,   Belize City Belize   (01.13.11)
Perhaps this vile man forgets that Abraham was born gentile, Chaldean , in fact. He came from the city of UR. He sent back to his land for a wife for Isaac and Jacob's wives were gentile too. As was Ruth. Perhaps we should look too at Yeshua's Father, he was not Jewish either but HIS seed was perfection. How YNet can print disgusting things like this is beyond me.
120. To all u DOPES who disagree, here's why you're wrong &
Moshe ,   Usa   (01.14.11)
the Rabbi is right. Have you ever wondered why the Irish tend to drink alcohol & many are drunks, even their women. Do you wonder about their tendency to beat their wives. Do you wonder why the arub nations have contributed so little to the international medical & scientific knowledge that has been helpful to humankind over the last 500 years. Do you wonder if we would have done to other nations what they did to us in WWII. H-Shem changed us on Mt. Sinai when we accepted the Torah. Believe that. Moshe
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