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Haredi accused of sexually harassing soldier files appeal
Aviad Glickman
Published: 30.12.11, 12:07
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61. He is right but he is wrong also
Yosef ,   Boca Raton   (12.30.11)
Why is an Ish Elokim speaking in this manner to women. And not any women but the daughter of HaSh_m himself. He needs to do teshuva for his Chillul HaSh-m. Don't they see that thgis behavious repels people with small faith from religion because they will think every religious person is like him. And enough with the Haredi, you do not see the newspaper stampoing the term secular or reform or this or the other when a man abuses a woman physically or verbally. Enough Bias. And this gentelmen should be taken to a Beit Din with a request to be put in cherem until he does Teshuva and apologizes to Bat HaMelech in national TV.
62. History
Max Merbaum ,   Los Angeles   (12.30.11)
Why the government feels it needs to bend to the will of a group that generates no income, is incapable of any measure of resolute violence, and is primitive, superstitious, and misogynistic, is a mystery. The government can still step on their necks for 364 days a year and on election day say, 'We're sorry: Vote for us and we'll step on your necks less.' It's Yerushalayim 2012, not the Lodz Ghetto, Poylen 1889. If they won't pay there way, and they won't fight, they can play by our rules and say 'Thank-You-Uncle.'
63. Cursing
Enoch ,   Toronto   (12.30.11)
I wonder how he would like it if someone took the time to find his mother, wife and daughters and subject them to the same language? He shouldn't be charged with sexual harrasment, but rather with indimidation.
64. Does harrasment based on sex
Israeli 2   (12.30.11)
constitute sexual harrasment? This is clearly harrasment based on sex.
65. #13 - Andrew
Michael Davison ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (12.30.11)
Where did you learn your Hebrew? Calling a woman a "prutzah" is the same as calling her a whore. If this isn't sexual harrassment, it's certainly slander, which is a far more serious offense, and would be handled by civil, not criminal courts.
66. IT IS A SHAME (HILLUL HASHEM) FOR A RELIGIOUS PERSON TO ACT
We are ashamed   (12.30.11)
THIS WAY. REGARDLESS OF WHAT OTHERS DO OR ACT, RELIGIOUS REPRESENT HASHEM. WE (YOU) MUST REMEMBER THAT EVERY DAY AND ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC. THE PERSON MOST OFFENDED IS HASHEM AND YOU DID IT. SHAME ON YOU. THAT IS WORSE THAN BEING A SEX OFFENDER.
67. Technically...
Hadar ,   Israel   (12.30.11)
Sexual harassment is degrading someone for their sex, which doesn't have to be done physically or through perverted comments. He was harassing her because of her sex (he was obviously making comments based on the fact she was a woman). And some countries will recognize that as sexual harassment, albeit, it's verbal. *shrug*
68. @ 9
(12.30.11)
Specifically designated for Haredim? It was a bus in ASHDOD. It wasn't Beit Shemesh or Jerusalem, where they have Mehandrin buses. You wouldn't SEE a female soldier getting on a Mehandrin bus. She also just wanted to get from point A to point B. She was sitting in her seat when a religious man came up to her and demanded she move to the back of the bus (which is illegal! You can't FORCE some one to move seats on any Israeli Public Transit). When she refused (which is in her rights) he started calling her a slut. I'm sorry, do you really think SHE'S the one trying to be a s**t disturber?
69. #52 GIVE IT A REST
LAWRENCE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (12.30.11)
Hey ,Mr. Boring ,change the record .We all know you hate the haredim but you keep repeating that each and every day .Perhaps you should find a new interest or hobby .Respect is needed on all sides.This man Fuchs should have been more tactful and polite ,and the soldier girl should have respected the rights of haredim to be segregated on a haredi bus. She was in the wrong and was a provocateur. I doubt Mr .Fuchs boarded the bus with the intention of getting in to a well publicised fight.
70. #59 WHO STARTED THE TROUBLE?
LAWRENCE ,   SAFED ISRAEL   (12.30.11)
I also do not like the ways of the haredim ,or at least some of their ways.But the soldier was the one who started the trouble.She knows better than to sit next to haredi men.
71. #42 - show me where G-d put that in the Torah...
William ,   Israel   (12.30.11)
and I will agree with you, Sir.
72. #43 - the religious do not own a public bus
William ,   Israel   (12.30.11)
hence, cannot dictate terms of occupants that do not share their religious conviction. It's a public bus first and foremost. It doesn't matter why she was at the front of the bus. The fact remains that the religious are trying to force their own beliefs on others for their person agenda, and that is a no-go in any democracy. If the religious want a special secluded bus, I have a suggestion: either men can sit in the back with a big divider between sections so as not to offend males who obviously have an issue with looking down, or create their own private bus service that serves only this small demographic.
73. NR 33. You hit the mark this time !!!.
Arn. ,   Sweden.   (12.30.11)
74. @Rochel
Erich ,   USA   (12.30.11)
You are right. Slander is the issue here. Moreover ANY harassment of ANY person should not be tolerated. Man or woman, harassment is harassment.
75. Fuchs should apologize, pay his fine, and move on.
Scott ,   USA   (12.30.11)
The soldier was not a slut, his curse was both an insult and a lie -- it was wrong under any circumstances. He should apologize and make amends. That is the Jewish thing to do.
76. He is a sex offender - end of
Haim ,   TA   (12.30.11)
77. Lawrence # 70
Eaglebeak ,   Left Coast, USA   (12.30.11)
It's true that the haredi man isn't good enough to sit next to this lady but If he doesn't like it he is free to move to another seat or another bus. He has feet and he should use them. Unfortunately he also has a mouth and he needs to think before he opens it. Perhaps he will do better next time. Or not.
78. eastern europe ww2
zivron   (12.30.11)
After the failure of the Haerdi Rabbis to exhort their bflock to flle the nazi army into siberia and build arms against the satanic Jew Haters this Haredi has a real cheek attacking insulting a girl defending the state . Does he know the horrors committed on jewish people by the nazis as the Haredi advised like false prophets stay put .
79. the yiddish mean of shika is worm
tricia ,   here   (12.30.11)
and it is used as a derogatory term for a non-Jewish female. It is NOT a nice thing to call anyone!
80. @41 obviously u have never sung "Eshet Chel"
(12.30.11)
that song sung on Friday nights by the Orthodox clearly states the value of a woman.
81. Father of 12
Lina ,   London UK   (12.30.11)
This praying ignorant child producing machine forgot who gives him an opportunity NEVER work and pray in peace. Also he forgot about hard working tax payers who literally feed his small family. . Shame. The only ones who should go to the back of the bus or get special vehicles for they holly needs is ignorant and arrogant people like him.
82. To #80
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (12.31.11)
Eshet Chayil comes from the book of Proverbs and not from Torah. For what it's worth and though I think all revealed religions are full of contradictions and show nasty sides of God, I know my way around the bible.
83. I wonder whether he'd feel the same way if......
valentina ,   israel   (12.31.11)
someone called his wife or daughter that? and he's right, we do live in a free country, where women can sit where ever the hell they want to sit without getting harrassed and abused.
84. Reading the posts here..........
Robert ,   Australia   (12.31.11)
.........makes me wonder how some of the same posters claim Iranian Mullahs are mad. How long will it be before women are stoned to death in Israel?
85. nope
will ,   WA, USA   (12.31.11)
Not sexual harassment. Verbal assault. Sexual harassment is defined (at least in the USA) as unwanted sexual advances after warning is given that the advances must stop. Also requires that a person be in a position of authority or can alternatively cause disciplinary action should coercive remarks not be followed. Prime example is boss and secretary (or secretary threatening to go to HR if boss doesn't give in). Being on a bus and calling someone a name , especially calling a military trained person, usually results in a black eye. Not sexual harassment. Israel needs a law against verbal assault, before these stupid black hat bigots get punched. Probably would do them some good.
86. Like second-hand smoking, a poison.
Michael ,   California, USA   (12.31.11)
He took religion out of his house and the beit knesset by his behavior. This poisons the environment, on a par with second hand smoking, and should not be tolerated. He is lucky she is handling it through a court system to punish him. If he did it to me me, I would use the Wild Wide West system.
87. This idiot does not deserve such an attention,
olim hadashim ,   tel aviv/israel   (12.31.11)
And to those who use this opportunity to provoke against religious people just be careful !!
88. Doron - a cute feminazi
Benny Bee   (12.31.11)
Men beware - Israeli women are 100% brainwashed into feminazism - they will use and abuse you, try to get you jailed (eg "Alef" the anonymous president-destroyer) and Israeli elite society is firmly on the feminazis' side.
89. Behavier of the haredi !!
Texan /Israeli   (12.31.11)
Yes!!!! Sir It is sexual harasment to call any women a slut do you have any prove that she is a slut !!!You called the Israel soldier slut , They defending and protecting you and you 10 children , If you do not like in ARETZ ISRAEL .. Please live they take you any country with open arms !!! You are in free country , you can go !!! G-D bless Nation of Israel ... Am Yisrael Chai!!!
90. #69 youre wrong!
Ze'ev ,   Nbg, germany   (12.31.11)
She wasnt wrong! Its was a public bus, and any segregation has to be voluntarily!! So the Spureme Curt ruled! Means she can sit in public bus anywhere she wants to! Fuchs had no right to insult or harresh her! Its only his fault!
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