We left the diaspora years ago. We do not live in Eastern Europe anymore. We have our own language, please use it properly.

Actually the court did not rule it illegal nor banned it. They said: circumsision yes, with childs consent at later time.

The Adolf never banned circumcision. But then there was not 7 million muslims in Germany. World is progressing ahead.

Where many Yiddish and Hebrew words have entered the language with Eastern European accented Yiddish and Hebrew. Also, the story is from Germany, where the Jews pronounced it "bris" since ancient times when it was still pronounced "brith."

is also correct. The use of the Sfardic pronunciation was accepted as the one for common hebrew street talkers. So both are correct. Besides soem Ashkenazim are thinking in Iddish which is still a language. And is also correct

...becoming a "laughingstock"... LOL! Wrong tense.

PLEASE call Merkel and tell her that her statements were not needed and she doesnt know whats going on in HER COUNTRY.

Those in God's camp are circumcised in body and spirit and in their hearts and have the Torah written on their hearts. Even the Apostle Paul (Shaul of Tarsus) insisted on circumcising an adult Timothy who was half Jew and half Greek before allowing Timothy to accompany him and preach the gospel. That is how important circumcision is. A country that bans it is attacking an everlasting commandment of God, which is not a wise thing to do.

Jews have their boys circumcised at the age of 8 days , when it's almost indolore and without psychological effects on the boys . It's not only a religious law , but also something that unites our people , believers in G-d , or not . When it would be done when the boy becomes an adult , who can decide it by himself , it poses more problems , "techniccal" and psychologiccal . Most men don't like their sex organ to be manipulated by anorther man , it needs also more time to heal . This act has , for the most , only advantages , hygiene is one of them . Not to forget that girls prefer to have relations with circumcised boys , they enjoy them more .

Circumcision and not brit nor bris. This is an English language website. Its articles should not use Hebrew or Yiddish words, unless with English translation for people who are not familiar with these languages.

For example, conservative Muslims are not permitted to live according to sharia law although it's part of their religion. Freedom of religion ends when it collides with other rights of the constitution; and the German constitution assures the physical integrity of every human being in this country, and this of course includes 8-day old Jewish babies. So what is the higher value: the will of the parents to follow a religious tradition or the physical integrity of the baby? Difficult, but in case of doubt most secular people will stick to the child's right.

Since when does German Parliament is concerned about Jewish children having grievous bodily pain during the Brit Mila

You are too "clever" for your own good.

1. I do not see where the words ‘brit’ or ‘bris’ are used in the article. 2. ‘Brit’ is the sephardic pronunciation used in Israel. ‘Bris’ is the ashkenaz pronunciation. Same language. ‘Bris’ is also the pronunciation used in Yiddish. I think you are being overly sensitive.

Per judaism, this makes it illegal as concerns a boy born of a Jewish mother. If this does not happen, or if a grown male is converting to Judaism, it can be done later, even symbolically (ie drawing a drop of blood from someone already circumcised but not according to Jewish tradition). The distinction you raise, however, is irrelevant.

Think for a moment, David-- most countries don't allow people to enter into legal contracts or decide on medical procedures on their own until they are considered legal adults, at or around 18 years of age or more. By deferring circumcision until age 18, you are banning it for all practical purposes. There's a reason Jews circumcise the boys as infants-- to lessen the trauma. Imagine that at age 18 you decide to be circumcised. Now imagine that after the circumcision, while the wound from removing the foreskin is still fresh, you have an erection (voluntary or not is irrelevant). This erection tears open the healiong wound, causing excruciating pain, heightening the risk of infection, almost guaranteeing scarring and certainly delaying the healing of the surgical wound. No patient would agree to this procedure after hearing the doctor explain all this, required by law for informed patient consent. Parents make social, economic, medical and educational decisions throughout their children's lives until they reach adulthood. Legal precedent and logic would dictate that this procedure be grouped with all others, and only allowed through self-consent when the patient is an adult. Let's go one step further: no ear/body piercing, no tattoos, no cosmetic surgery (nose jobs, liposuction, etc) or any other kind of procedure that is not purely medical and life-saving may not be performed until the patient reaches adulthood.

What you wrote sounds good because you have oversimplified the reality. Do you cut your nails? Could I cut your nails? Could I remove an in-grown toe nail of yours (don't want to but anything for a price)? I can tell you I would choose to be circumcised at 8 days old. The parent takes it upon himself to do the will of the child when the will of the child is not yet discernible. And so you end up with the remainder of the world. Germany is the only one living in the over-simplified world. Score a point to Angela Merkel. She knows the limits of her own mind and logic.

Read between the lines ; She's encourages others to follow ;) ,...

Both words are right, 'bris' is the ashkenazi pronunciation of the Hebrew 'brith'. Synonyms: berith, brit, bris, briss...

that studies with African aids testing have also found that circumcised males have few cases of aids. Healthy, happy, clean and hygienic.

Constitutional law ends when it collides with the Divine Law, Torah! One only needs to be willing to endure the pain of violation of Constitutional law which could be prison or worse. Many are willing to put their life on the line for their faith however that does not mean that righteous men (not self-righteous) should keep quiet about unjust laws. The Holy One of Israel is the Judge and therefore Justice is His. It is those who pass laws in opposition to His that will be judged. They will receive justice.

Biblical Hebrew is the correct one. That is "Brit." Bris is Yiddish slang which is not true Torah language. Therefore, it is NOT correct. Perhaps acceptable as a language but not correct according to Torah Hebrew.

but when you open the Ynet , as headlines there is : "Merkel takes on bris ban bill" . As Ynet is an Israeli paper the Israeli pronunciation should be used .

I agree with your point about the States obligation to protect the baby..because the baby does not have a voice.. But Im not pursuaded that circumcision done correctly is unsafe invasive or harmful Billions of people worldwide dont seem to have suffered much! Though I certainly would not object to it being done within the framework of the law that required circumcision to be done under strict medical supervision - which may go some way to complying with German Law?

Seriously, its not our fault that Muslims circumcise their kids when they're almost teens and therefore have a much higher rate of problems after the circumcision. The brit of jewish boys is THE sign of our covenant with G-D and we're following this law since thousands of years and we will keep doing that. Any state who wants to forbid this G-DLY commandment tries to put itself over the Highest One and -guess what- will fail!

The court ruled only in a special case, where a Muslim boy came heavily bleeding into hospital. In this case the court ruled that the circumcision of that Muslim boy was bodily harm. As this was only a "lower court", their judgement is not binding to the rest of the country. In short, the legal situation concerning circumcision hasn't changed, it's neither explicit legal nor illegal. It depends whether a judge puts "freedom of religion" above "physical integrity" or the other way round. It's this legal uncertainty Jews and Muslims are complaining about in Germany. They want a law that clearly says circumcision is legal.

They are both grammactically correct for the following reasons: 1. "Brit" with a hard "t" sound at the end is the modern Hebrew pronounciation and 2. "Bris" with a soft "s" or "th" sound at the end is the Ashkenazi Hebrew pronounciation and it is also the Yemenite Hebrew pronounciation. Please do be aware that the word Brit/Bris in Hebrew has a dot in the middle of the Taf* and therefore if we were all to correctly pronounce it, it would either be a "s" sound (which is how the Ashkenazim prounce it) or a softish "th" almost "s" sound (which is how the Yemenite Jews pronounce it). In other words Sagi you are 100% correct and I agree with you we should all be using the modern Hebrew pronouncition, but then again what to do? There are those who prefer to use the older pronounciation and that fine too! and why it this way? --It is this way because we are all Jews and we all think we know better than the next fellow Jew! ;-) wishing you a lovely day. *at the moment I forget what the dot is called but it has a name there's a whole group of letters in Hebrew whose pronounciation shifts depending on whether or not the dot is present in the middle of the letter.

It is a know ritual in many primitive societies. I always wondered how it all started ??

Cutting nails, having or giving a hair cut or hair removal (with roots), piercing, tattoo- practices performed on adults and also on children, in Germany and elsewhere, are they not considered violating, as you phrased it, the "physical integrity of human beings"? I would like to learn what is your opinion.