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Deputy FM: Israel-EU ties to fray without compromise on settlements
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Published: 25.10.13, 10:20
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61. #26 Not MY comparisons - read #21. [end]
On the Balcony   (10.26.13)
62. #60 Your pilpul doesn't matter now
On the Balcony   (10.26.13)
Decades ago I spouted the same nonsense that you regurgitate now. Then I studied law, read the actual documents and contemporaneous commentaries and woke up. You are a victim of propaganda, pure and simple. But it doesn't matter. Like me, you should prepare for either an internationally sanctioned and enforced BDS movement and third intifada or the announcement of a negotiated settlement and mutual declaration of recognition between the States of Israel and Palestine.
63. Robert 56 , spyguy 34
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.26.13)
So if the world can do it without Israeli developped products why do Monsanto , IBM , Microsoft , Twitter , Ebay , Intel to name only a few ones , invest in Israeli societies , buy Israeli societies ? Jews , and most Isrtaelis are Jews , have always , and still are , on the forefront of scientific developpement and progress [ this year SIX Jewish Nobel prizes ! ]
64. #55 Dual citizenship is not a right and...
On the Balcony   (10.26.13)
many countries prohibit their citizens from holding more than one citizenship. Countries that allow dual citizenship impose limitations and usually reserve the right to revoke their citizenship as the U.S. did with Meir Kahane. It is hardly inconceivable that, absent a settlement with Palestine, EU countries will pursue a BDS policy and revoke citizenship from any dual national of Israel residing in the occupied territories. Not that that does or should matter to most settlers. No country can survive an prosper as a pariah much less Israel where we have become far too fat, spoiled and dependent upon Western luxuries.
65. 63 Charles
(10.26.13)
Scientific development is in the first place not a question of 'who' and 'where', but of 'when'. If the Brits wouldn't have invented the steam engine, some other country would have done it - only a few years later. That is 100% for sure. It would be completely idiotic, if the Brits would claim, that without them no industrialization would have taken place. The same is true for the vast majority of technical and scientific inventions that have been made in the last 5000 years - no matter by whom.
66. #62 on
solomon ,   bklyn   (10.26.13)
Your pilpul has always been to the extreme, as if twisting in the wind. And you don't refute any of my post. Very interesting indeed.
67. #62 re: #58
solomon ,   bklyn   (10.26.13)
No response to #58? I didn't think so. Wrong again.
68. 65 anonymous .
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.27.13)
Who ? Israelis and Jews . Where ? In Israel and worldwide by Jews . When ? the last century , the 21st century , and so on . The steam machine is only ONE invention , Jews made many more .
69. #67 The fact that formal negotiations
On the Balcony   (10.27.13)
between the States of Israel and Palestine are currently underway is itself a refutation of your nonsense.
70. #58/67 - see #61 re #58 re #26 re #21 [end]
On the Balcony   (10.27.13)
71. #69 The nonsense is in your post #26
solomon ,   bklyn   (10.27.13)
which I refute, and for which you have no answer. Thank you for confirmation that you twist in the wind. End of story.
72. #71 the comparisons were not mine but.
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in response to those made in #21 by another child who trolls with the same kinds of distortion, misdirection, misrepresentation and deceit as you do. Now stop playing with your mummy's computer and go shloofy.
73. 26 , on the balcony
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.27.13)
They are occupied because they have started wars against Israel , and lost .
74. #72 The comparisons you are making
solomon ,   bklyn   (10.27.13)
in that countries that have agreed to sit down and talk are the same as Israel vs the "Pals", Hamas, Hezbollah, that continue to kill Israelis and say they will never agree to peace, are your comparisons and are bogus. Your mummy should have at least taught you to take responsibility for your own words, not to just twist in the wind. Read post #71 again. You get zero for reading comprehension.
75. 64 , you gave an "extreme" example
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.27.13)
with kahane . He was the leader of an organisation on the US list of terrorists . You can also say that Israel applies the death penalty , and give eichmann as an example . Also an extreme case .
76. #73 Occupation legal,--settlements not.
On the Balcony   (10.28.13)
77. Sullied Sillly Solly Strikes out ...again.
On the Balcony   (10.28.13)
The point of my response to John's comparisons is that they were spurious and that there are significant differences between Israel's settlement policy and territorial disputes elsewhere in the world, most of which disputes are a lot older than the modern State of Israel. I have never been opposed to Israel's military occupation to the extent that it protects legitimate security needs (protecting illegal settlers and settlements is not such a need.) In any case, prisoners are being released; Bibi and Bennet;'s government negotiations continue.... I leave you to twist in the winds of reality.
78. #75 It is the principle which is important
On the Balcony   (10.28.13)
not the example. In principle, there is nothing to prevent the U.S., EU and other countries from revoking the citizenship of bi-nationals who act contrary to that State's perceived interests. That's all.
79. 78 , I have a double nationality
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (10.28.13)
and no law in my first country can revoke my nationality . Living in Yehuda Shomron is not against my birth country's interest . I'm not doing anything against her . Has any settler lost his/her citizenship from the US or any other country yet ?
80. #79 missing the point
On the Balcony   (10.29.13)
I initially wrote in answer to a person who appeared to be claiming that citizenship was an inalienable right. It is not. The UK, US and Israel all allow for the revocation of citizenship. Some countries do not even allow dual citizenship (e.g. Ukraine, although many citizens do indeed hold one or more other nationalities illegally). In answer to your question, I do not believe that any dual U.S. or E.U. born Israeli has yet lost their citizenship for being a settler. In principle, that may change if the Palestinian-Israeli conflict remains unresolved. But I wouldn't worry about it.
81. #77 avoiding the point
solomon ,   bklyn   (10.30.13)
The difference is not in policy and disputes, but that the "Pals", Hamas, Hezbollah, continue to kill Israelis and say they will never agree to peace. The arabs began this before there was an Israel. You avoid this all-important point as you can't deny it. Twist away.
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