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Shalom slams ‘barbaric act’
Ali Waked
Published: 12.09.05, 13:44
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31. Response to pierre (post 28)
Abdullah ,   Kuwait City   (09.12.05)
Hello pierre I am in total agreement with you too, I think those building could have been put to a good use but those mobs has done what they have done and it is wrong yet its also part of the past and people should start learning how to live together in peace living side by side.
32. screw ups
Howard ,   Pacific Coast, USA   (09.12.05)
1. This is wrong. Most people recognize that rioters burning religious buildings is wrong. 2. However, we will survive this. The heart of Judaism is not the drywall and floors of the synagogues, but the Torah and the accumulated wisdom and morality of thousands of years of Jewish sages, all of which had already been removed from these empty shells. The synagogue buildings are not the future of our people and our religion; our children are the future. While these particular buildings are historically significant, they are not historically vital. 3. Threatening or harming mosques is wrong, just as threatening or harming synagogues is wrong. There is ONE morality, not two. Regarding morals, we can only control the morality of our own behavior; if Hamas members are bloodthirsty terrorists who enjoy committing sacrilegious acts, well, that is nothing new, is it? We need not sink to their level in the eyes of G-d. 4. If one is too blind to understand #3, one must still recognize that threatening and harming mosques won't prevent Islamist extremists from attacking synagogues. Rather, it will make it much more likely. Those who justify this arson use 2 excuses: threats against mosques by the lunatic fringe, and occupation. The latter is specious, given that Israel is no longer present in Gaza. The former is also specious, but receives encouragement every time one of our own lunatics shouts about destroying mosques. YOU AREN'T HELPING. 5. The rioters who did this represent themselves and their groups, not Muslims or Arabs worldwide. Most Muslims and Arabs don't run around destroying synagogues and churches, and hurting a couple of billion people in response to the actions of a group of Gaza lunatics does not make sense. Similarly, most Jews (including most settlers) don't run around threatening to destroy mosques, and it makes no sense for these idiots in Gaza to be doing what they are doing, which offends all of our sensibilities. But then, these individuals don't HAVE much sense, do they? 6. Israel is mostly using these buildings as a test of the Palestinians' ability to control their wackos and their penchant for conspiracy theories, and to take constructive action instead. Given the situation in Gaza, most readers would have been surprised if the Palestinians had passed the test and repurposed the buildings in a manner pleasing to G-d (if for no other reason than to try to occupy some moral high ground). As it happens, they have failed again, and have missed another opportunity to show the world (and G-d) that they are ready to build a state based on the rule of law and common sense. But then, I guess none of this is exactly news.
33. heirs of their ancestors
gil ,   ashkelon   (09.12.05)
What can we expect from these looters and killers: They destroy buildings today? Their ancestors were worse: their hatred was so strong they filled Abraham and Itzhak wells with stones and sand eventhough remaining thirsty.Just to make sure hebrew presence should be forgotten.They were wrong,and their today heirs as well.
34. Condemned act
Farouk ,   Jerusalem   (09.12.05)
This is not acceptable behavior by us, Palestinians. These hooligans would have destroyed anything there and therefore it is not about synagogues. What is worrying is the fact that posts who say it is a wrong vile action go out and call for doing the same to mosques. We both (Israelis & Palestinians) have done our acts of desecration on many occasions; therefore neither one of us can claim righteousness. There is no motivation other than political zealous. One conclusion from all of this is the cunning Israeli decision of leaving them so this can happen and the inability of the PA to control anything.
35. its not fair!! they should have at least
aa ,   aa   (09.12.05)
open bars and discos in them just like the jews did to there mosques , instead of burning them , what a waist!!!
36. Hadar, Avraham, Bunnie, Adina etc
Eyal ,   Israel   (09.12.05)
Every year at Pesach we pray, "Next year in Jerusalem" Not Gush katif. The synagogues are not holy. All your ranting is vanity. The vanity of the politicians seeking the votes of the right-wingers they stabbed in the back by destroying the settlement enterprise. Set yourselves free from hate and this war will end. You are all madmen fighting in a burning house. When will you learn; lovers of hate, death, violence - you sound like you belong to Al Queda; not one Jewish mensch among you. This is why God hides his face from us. He shows you the door and you refuse to leave. And not a fire engine in sight.
37. Burning synagoges
Simon Shiffman ,   C-Town, S- Africa   (09.12.05)
What do you expect from these youths, they have been indoctrinated from birth to hate Israel. This is their reaction and was expected. Let us not all get excited lets wait and see what the coming weeks will bring. Let's be rational and let the politicians do their business.
38. Burn down the mosques
Nekama   (09.12.05)
39. #25
tony ,   paris   (09.12.05)
YOUR LAND?????YOU WERE NEVER OWNERS OF THIS LAND.AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THOSE SYNAGOGUES,IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEING DOING ALL YOUR LIVES,DESTROYING ,AND NOW THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN SEE WITH THEIR OWN EYES,THE TRUE IMAGE OF WHO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE REALLY ARE.YOU ARE SHOWING THE WORLD WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TELLING THEM ALL THESE YEARS,NOW I'LL LEAVE THE REST UP TO YOU ,TO WRITE AND ONCE AGAIN BLAME IT ON THE JEWS..
40. Jews must repect mosques
Micha Sloman ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (09.12.05)
We should not destroy mosques. We should not become like our enemies. We are the Jewish people, the sons of priests and prophets. Our role is to be a "light unto the nations."
41. IN VENEMOUS HATE FOR ISRAEL'S G0D ISLAMISTS BURN SYNAGOGUES
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.12.05)
Gaza's Jews built everything on sand and dirt on land that NEVER belonged to Arabs. These beautiful synagogues are very, very special, sacred not only to Jews, but also to Christians. Through religious Islamist hatred, we have all been robbed of the privilege of worshipping in these synagogues. RETURN CONTROL OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT TO JEWS NOW! Joseph is the beloved Bible hero of Jews and Christians. Muslims murdered IDF soldiers at Joseph's Tomb. With venomous hate Muslim mobs destroyed the Tomb. Jewish worshippers and holy places are the frequent target of attacks by Islamists. Jewish and Christian holy sites are desecrated and destroyed. In the Islamic invasion and filthy desecration of Jesus Christ' birthplace, Church of Nativity, BIBLES WERE TORN UP FOR TOILET PAPER. Inscribed in those Bibles are the laws G-D gave to Moses. Some of the laws: Exodus 20: "You shall have no other gods before Me" "You shall not make for yourself an idol" "You shall not murder" "You shall not commit adultery" "You shall not steal" "You shall not bear false witness" "You shall not covet" Exodus 21:16 "He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death" Muslims have perpetrated massive desecration and destruction at the Temple Mount. G-D designated the Temple Mount to the Jews for His worship and prayer only. Muslims repeatedly engage in massive rock throwing at the Jews on the Temple Mount, turning the holiest place on earth into a common place of violence. THE OFFENSE TO G-D IS ENORMOUS. RETURN TEMPLE MOUNT TO JEWS NOW!
42. Forget the synagogues?
Letue   (09.12.05)
Because these places of worship are Jewish, it's easy for people like you to dismiss this but had these places of worship been Islamic, you know damn well that the international community would have had a field day slamming the Israeli's. I'm not saying that Israeli's should now destroy Islamic places of worship, but dismissing this act is unfair and easy for you to do, because it's not in any way connected to you and yours in AUSTRALIA.
43. Avraham
???   (09.12.05)
"Does the world [Bush & Blair] have the courage to call a spade a spade & stand up to these terrorists?" First, they have been standing up to terrorists.....watch the news. Second, how is this their problem anyway? I've seen many on this forum slamming my country for sticking its nose in the business of others, and at the same time being criticized for not sticking their nose in the business of others. In one breath, we are the most evil country only out for oil, and in the next breath, the world turns to us when their's a problem.
44. Thank you post # 17
Nicky   (09.12.05)
Obviously not all Palestinians participated in this and I'm glad to see that not all Palestinians find joy in this hateful act. Perhaps some good can come out of this in the end. Maybe this will bring the two sides even closer, thus moving forward with the peace process.
45. transition
steven ,   france   (09.12.05)
I honestly think that the Israelis left these buildings,and synagogues,to see if the pals,really had it in themslves to do something intelligent .To me a synagogue is only one ,when the Torah scrolls,are in its midst,and the walls are couvered with the breath of its worshipers,Empty walls,and empty spaces,can be refilled with other goodnesses,if they are with honest intention,So whether they are transformed into bars or discos,or restaurants,who cares,the destruction of these buildings,only goes to show,the violencs and the lack of intelligence of the people of this "future state".It really is a pity,that the Palestinians choose to show the world ,their true caracters,and that is ,a VENGEFULL NATION.When the Apartheid ended in SAfrica,after many many years of white dominance,did we see what we are seeing in GAZA take place?NO,because there was a man of wisdom to lead this nation ,that was oppressed by the apartheid regime.A wise man ,of great intellegence,who he himself was jailed for many years,and humilliated,but he came out of this trauma ,a human being tall and dignified,and also with the will to reconcile with his past ennemies.But unfortunately ,Mr Abbas does not have these qualities,and ability to gouvern,because he speaks all too loudly his hate for the jewish people,and most important of all,he does not have the charisma ,and the class of the man I am speaking about,He does not have the force of character nor the essense of a leader capable of a peacefull transition,in short Abbas is the clone of Arafat. The Man I speak of is MANDELA.Yes even though the SA gouvernement did support the Palestinian cause,we cannot deny the peacefull transition of the white regime to the Black majority. WHAT A PITY,Abbas never had the thought of picking up the phone,for a nice chat,a little bit of advice might have helped an awful lot.
46. shalom, you're an idiot. The peace god dies.
(09.12.05)
47. mr Kuwait city
Pierre ,   Belgique   (09.12.05)
Salut,Abdullah. Like i read some time ago a monsieur Steven from Paris ,he is in agreement with your objective statements.its good to see that there are some arabs who think like you.It really would have been so good to share a nice Felefel,or a glass of white wine "chilled of course" withyou in these buildings,it could of been,a place were the people could talk and remember history,of these lands,so disputed,but as we say in french "c'est la vie" that is life,but maybe oneday we will be able to change all of this,and we can be able to live together,if not a total peace then ,we should settle for "good neighbors"non?Salam & Shalom.
48. Its no longer a synagogue
bradly ,   Tempe, AZ   (09.12.05)
Those building are not synagogues anymore since their government has removed every holy icon from them and decided to leave them on a land which they occupied. You Americans should stop talking and remember how many towns and villages you burned for the Indians. STOP talking about something which you do not know about, if the mosque is harmed, everyone will lose!
49. Let Anarchy prevail
Hiram ,   Tel Aviv   (09.12.05)
There is Anarchy ? so let it be.... they are hurting no one but themselves in the eyes of the world....and indeed the PA failed the most important test... Let see if PA can regain control .... That s why the synagogues should also have been dismanteled by us... But the bottom line ( as you suspect ) is : did nt we provide on purpose destruction of a synagogue on a silver plate to the palestinian mobs ? Now, be honest .....
50. PA/ISLAMISTS MAKE WAR ON ISRAEL'S G-D-CREATOR OFTHE UNIVERSE
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (09.12.05)
On March 27, 2002, at the Park Hotel in Netanya, terrorists targeted for murder Jews honoring and thanking G-D for His great mercy: Exodus 12:14 “you shall celebrate it as a feast to the L-RD” Exodus 12:42 “It is a night to be observed for the L-RD for having brought them out from the land of Egypt; this night is for the L-RD, to be observed by all the sons of Israel throughout their generations.” The Islamic homicide bomber murdered 30 Israelis as the Jews obeyed G-D, taking part in the Passover meal. 140 Jewish innocents were injured. The bomb was filled with nails and other metal pieces to maximize the suffering of survivors. On August 19, 2003, terrorists targeted for murder Jews who worship G-D - Giver of all life. The homicide bomber blew himself up on the bus as Jews returned from prayer at the Western wall. The gruesome attack-the bomb packed with metal pieces, killed 22 Jews and injured 134, many seriously. If Jesus Christ lived today, from the time Jesus was in his mother's womb, he would be targeted for murder by the Islamofascists for being a Jew living in his homeland of Israel. The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the terrorists who brutally murdered defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish Gaza mother, Tali Hatuel, and four little daughters. The Palestinian Authority teach the murder of Jews as a religious obligation through their mosques, media and public education system. Islamic human bomb murderers of innocent Jews are revered and considered heroes. Broadcast from Gaza mosque, Oct 13 2000, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..."
51. Get used to it jews....
Wise Man ,   USA   (09.12.05)
This is not the first time "remember Hitler" and will never be the last time. You simply deserv it for your bloody history. How many holly places you destroyed when you stole plastine. All your sinigougs in plastine should be burn all of them .
52. Re: Forget the synagogues
Rob ,   New York   (09.12.05)
In response to post #2, Dan are you a torah scholar? Do you have a fine understanding of the religion? Because even if you had a bit of an understanding you would realize that emptying out the holy items from a synagogue does not take away the hoyl status of the site. Dont apply this train of thought to the "ultra-religious", that is what the religion follows, you cant just deny it
53. National Character
Bill Pearlman ,   chicago USA   (09.12.05)
Lets be honest. We all knew this was going to happen. This is what they do, what they are. They destroy not build. I just hope that Israel closes off the Gaza strip completely, totally, and sends ten rockets back for every quassam. Let them have the Rafah crossing. Let the Egyptians handle, we will see how they do
54. 51 flush yr toilet smewhere else. its starting to stink here
Benjamin ,   london   (09.12.05)
Judging from your spelling I doubt you are an american-or a native english speaker. Any way I'll play your game. Wise man-a nice Injun nickname-america desecrated the black hills by carving the image of george washington and his successors into the black hills.
55. lighten up 51-here's a song that you might like
Benjamin ,   london   (09.12.05)
"springtime for Hitler and Germany Deutschland is happy and gay We're marching to a faster pace Look out, here comes the master race Springtime for Hitler and Germany Winter for Poland and France Springtime for Hitler and Germany Come on, Germans, go into your dance I was born in Dusseldorf, and that is why they call me Rolf Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi party Springtime for Hitler and Germany Goosestep's the new step today bombs falling from the skies again Deutschland is on the rise again Springtime for Hitler and Germany Uboats are sailing once more Springtime for Hitler and Germany Means that soon we'll be going We've got to be going You know we'll be going to WAR!.
56. 40-you are no LiGHT unto the nations
(09.12.05)
even if you tried at one time or another. The horrors of the Zionists in the middel east ae just about to be told, to the world.
57. Darn Shalom, they did it first.
(09.12.05)
58. Okay Kareen....what about the mosque's on Jewish land?
Letue   (09.12.05)
Should they now be destroyed?
59. You are correct Farouk
???   (09.12.05)
This is not acceptable behavior by the Palestinians. I believe this was a test and so far, Palestinians are failing it. I'm not saying that mosques should now be burned, because to behave like these thugs would only make us thugs as well. Maybe Israel was being cunning in leaving these synagogues.....but you'd think that the Palestinians would know this and therefore surprise the world and not burn them down. A trap was set, and the Pal's fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
60. Take your own advice bradly
???   (09.12.05)
"Those building are not synagogues anymore since their government has removed every holy icon." Bull....they were still places of worship. Remove all of your furniture from your home and allow some thug to burn it down. Hey, it wasn't your home anymore because every piece of furniture was removed. "You Americans should stop talking and remember how many towns and villages you burned for the Indians." Well Bradly, I wasn't around during that period of time and neither were you. But hey, let's put all of that baggage on the shoulders of every single American so that they can walk around and feel guilty for the rest of their lives....when they did nothing to deserve it. It's no different than allowing the Germans to live down their role in Holocaust Bradly. Do yourself a favor and do some research before opening up your trap. If you do, you will learn how Christians are being treated by Palestinian Muslims. Their homes and business's are being burned and they are fleeing their homes in terror. In 1995, Bethlehem was 62% Christian....today, less than 20% remain. Chew on that Bradly.
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