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Islam is the problem in France
Noach Klieger
Published: 23.11.05, 09:36
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31. To #14
Francois ,   Chiraqistan   (11.23.05)
You are a liar, rioters are not anarchists but Muslims. All foreign journalists reported this fact. That's why the French refused to release the name of indicted rioters even if, as a deception, the French media released the name of a French rioter. You lie again when you pretend that French media reported that a synagogue was torched. It was only reported in Jewish or foreign media. You are also lying when you say that rioters torched mosques. Only 2 mosques were torched and not by rioters. This a real intifada and not riots. Dalil Boubakeur, the leader of the French Muslim organization said he was convinced that these riots were organized. It was published in the italian newspaper Stampa.
32. To #26
Francois ,   Chiraqistan   (11.23.05)
Islam is obviously the problem. I grew up in a city in which we had important communities of poor immigrants from Portugal or Spain. We never had any problem with them even if they were facing the same difficulties that Muslims immigrants. Inasmuch, the children of these immigrants were not among the rioters even if lots of them arrived in France 30 years ago with Muslims.
33. kristian (and others...)
Patrick ,   israel/france   (11.23.05)
I just don't get how you can continue to write with all those cliches and propaganda sentences. Where have you been in France? How insulting are the word you use to categorise people you just don't know? You are the source of the problem and you just don't understand that people like you are way more violent and dangerous than me. It's all a shame...
34. islam IS the problem, it started as a violent cult and never
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA   (11.23.05)
achieved the status of a religion. You think G-d would call on a child molester to start a valid religion and then have the members of this cult go out and kill people who don't believe in that cult? muslims are indeed victims but not of Jews and not of the world, rather victims of the violent cult of islam. the koran is vicious, racist hate speech, "kill the Christians and the Jews",yet muslims call it a "holy book." The world will gain peace when the muslims realize that they have had 1300 years of treachery from their clerics.
35. #26, Abdel, Nablus, Palestine.
Pieter. ,   The Netherlands.   (11.23.05)
Dear Abdel, Read my lips! In France there is NO poor education system! If these guys are poorly educated, than they have to blame themselves. Believe me! France isn’t like Nablus. In France everybody gets a chance! It is up to the persons involved to take that chance. Playing the neglected and discriminated victim doesn’t work anymore! Sorry.
36. #25, Patrick
Pieter. ,   The Netherlands   (11.23.05)
Patrick, Take a hike! I am sick and tired for being blamed as the main cause of poverty and everything else what goes wrong in this world. The Islamic world should take China or Vietnam as an example and not whining about racism and discrimination. And for that body part where you are referring to,…..you are not even allowed to smell at it!
37. Its simple: shape up, or ship out!!
(11.23.05)
38. Reply to 37
John Schimpf ,   USA   (11.23.05)
Agreed! No more of these misbehaving stepchildren the Liberals of the world have so graciously brought to the relationship! If you don't like your new father's house then go back and live in your real daddy's house !
39. To No. 23 - "____ are the problem"
Lois D. ,   Baltimore, Md./USA   (11.24.05)
Anyone can fill it in.. This is exactly what I stated in my first post. During the Nazi regime, there were always articles which predated concentration camps regarding "The Jewish Problem." Neo nazis and white supremacists still refer to it that way on their websites,, and then they also refer to the "Black problem. Now it shows its ugly face in the "Muslim problem" and the "Arab problem" and everyone finds their justifications for it, just so long as they are not the problem."
40. Muslims are ....... Muslims.
(11.24.05)
All these people who talk about Muslims and Islam as vile and evil religion. They forget the attrocities of the west in Japan, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, Bonsnia, Serbia, etc. The number of corpse the west piled invalidates any talk about morality, ethics, or good wills. The west colonised Africa, Asia, and South America, took their resources, made monopoly companies everywhere, and left back to receive the revenues. Britain thought that it will last forever, they were wrong. France was a colonisation force oneday, they lost. Ottomans thought so too, but where are they? USSR is no more on the map!! don't you learn? don't you understand? 1.3 Billion Muslims in this world, you invalidate them? They all couldn't see that their religion is violent and evil? or are they all violent and evil, and non-muslims are angel-like creatures? you WILL win. Let's all watch!!
41. Riots to jriustian
Gerard_de_f ,   Toulouse   (11.24.05)
Obviously, I know the banlieue much better than you. I live not far from the Mirail, quartier croix de pierre, and I know people living in the mirail. Concerning AZF and the murdered persons you are referring to, this is off-topics, nothing to do with the riots and you know that very well.That Allahu-Akbar shouting persons were part of the "minor part" I was refering to. they mosquee had just been attaqued, nothing extraordinary in their reaction but so pleasant for the media picture! That there was dangerous and murderous persons among rioters I fully agree with you, but you have no evidence they were muslims. But the burned victim you're referring too was really muslim, this I am sure of. So don't attack or judge without any proof, please. Racism is not an option here.
42. To Lois
NYC Girl   (11.24.05)
You seem to be overlooking the fact that the Nazis' solution to the "Jewish problem" was genocide. Certainly, nobody is advocating the mass murder of Muslims...or any murder of Muslims, for that matter. And that sort of cavalier comparison between criticism of Islam and the murderous regime of the Nazis is an insult to the victims of history's most evil ideology.
43. #40, to Anonymous
Pieter. ,   The Netherlands   (11.24.05)
I do agree with you, we will triumph! Just as we did in he past. I am pleased that you finally recognize it was not the islam but the Jewish-Christian-European-American world who conquered the entire world. (And not only by force) You have got a lot of "catching up”"to do. Success!
44. rep to Gerard
kristian ,   sweden   (11.24.05)
The mosque was not attacked. A tear gas was used by the police,got near the mosque. Muslim themselves brought in the used cartridge and pretended the police shot it inside. Proven by an independent source. Just like in the territories, muslims are enjoying the media attention. As for the woman being burned....an other manipulation from Antenne2. The victim has 3 daughters,one wears the islamic veil, the victim and her 2 other daughters do not. No mentionned by antenne 2 of the victim being muslim.They interviewed the one wearing the veil, which left the viewer assume the victim was muslim....Coud it be the daughter converted ? Antenne 2 concentrated their interview on the veiled daughter, did not show the other 2....Manipulatin of the french media once again, for the benefit of muslms rioters. As I said no racism in not respecting Islam, it is not a race. Why should I respect an ideology i feel is based on Intolerance ?Until now I live in a free Europe, I Have the right to disagree with Islam. I guess you will label me Islamophobe " Le mot a la mode". K.
45. WICKED POLITICAL AGENDA IGNORES PERSECUTED PA CHRISTIANS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (11.24.05)
The extremely wicked U.S. EU UN political agenda includes forcing Christians to live under horrific Islamic Sharia law. TAKE BETHLEHEM & OTHER CHRISTIAN TOWNS INSIDE GREEN LINE NOW! PLO terrorists conducted barbaric jihad against Lebanon's Christians murdering huge numbers. www.free-lebanon.com Click on photo gallery - 20,000 Christians handicapped by PLO atrocities. PLO savagery was rewarded. The PLO terrrorists were implanted into Israel as "peace" partners through Oslo to continue their jihad. Christians in PA areas suffer horrendous persecution under cruel occupation of PA/PLO and other terrorist organizations. Christianity Dying In Its Birthplace By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | September 13, 2005 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19453 "What some observers are calling a pogrom took place near Ramallah, West Bank, on the night of Sep. 3-4. That’s when fifteen Muslim youths from one village, Dair Jarir, rampaged against Taybeh, a neighboring all-Christian village of 1,500 people. The Ajajs and their friends broke into houses and stole furniture, jewelry, and electrical appliances. They threw Molotov cocktails at some buildings and poured kerosene on others, then torched them. The damage included at least 16 houses, some stores, a farm, and a gas station. The assailants vandalized cars, looted extensively, and destroyed a statue of the Virgin Mary. “It was like a war,” one Taybeh resident told The Jerusalem Post. Hours passed before the Palestinian Authority security and fire services arrived. The fifteen assailants spent only a few hours in police detention, then were released. As for Khouriyye, the Palestinian police arrested him, kept him jail, and (his family says) have repeatedly beat him. A cousin, Suleiman Khouriyye, pointed to his burned house. “They did this because we’re Christians. They did this because we are the weaker ones.” The Khouriyyes and others recall the assailants shouting Allahu Akbar and anti-Christian slogans: “Burn the infidels, burn the Crusaders.” This assault fits a larger pattern. According to the Catholic Custodian of the Holy Land, Pierbattista Pizzaballa, Christians in the Bethlehem region alone have suffered 93 cases of injustice in 2000-04. In the worst of these, in 2002, Muslims murdered the two Amre sisters, 17 and 19 years old, whom they called prostitutes. A post-mortem, however, showed the teenagers to have been virgins – and to have been tortured on their genitals. “Almost every day – I repeat, almost every day – our communities are harassed by the Islamic extremists in these regions,” Pizzaballa says. “And if it’s not the members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, there are clashes with … the Palestinian Authority.” In addition to the Islamists, a “Muslim land mafia” is said to operate. With PA complicity. it threatens Christian land and house owners, often succeeding to compel them to abandon their properties. The campaign of persecution has succeeded...Bethlehem and Nazareth, historic Christian towns for nearly two millennia, are now primarily Muslim. In 1922, Christians outnumbered Muslims in Jerusalem; today, Christians amount to a mere 2 percent of that city’s population." "Islamic mafia accused of persecuting Holy Land Christians" http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/09/wmid09.xml Every single agreement has been broken by the PA/PLO, rendering Oslo, Road Map and ALL agreements NULL AND VOID. IDF, HELP! Stop Islamic cruelty. Liberate Christians from ALL terrorist organizations now!
46. reporting this article to ADL
(11.24.05)
to state ISLAM is the problem like this is a racist slur- I am appalled.
47. Lois -- Somehow can think of the Jews rioting in Germany.
AK   (11.25.05)
What kind of crazy comparisons do you engage in? Jews in Germany were peaceful and patriotic victims, while Arabs engage in terror and violence worldwide. Yes, Muslims in general and Arabs in particular are a Problem, with capital "P", just like Germans and Nazis were a generation ago, if one is to use your parallels.
48. Islam is not a race!
josef cohen ,   bkk thailand   (11.25.05)
Islam is not a race! It is a religion or ideology. So it follows that legitimate critisism is idealogical and not racial. All ideologies must be open to examination and criticism. We cannot allow the label of religion to exempt any reasonable discourse of an ideology. Respectfully, Josef Cohen
49. re: Pieter The Netherlands
josef cohen ,   bkk thailand   (11.25.05)
Pieter what world do you live in? Yyou either seriously mispoke or gave yourself away when you suggest that somehow Jews in contrivance with Christian Europe and America took over the world? Josef Cohen
50. re: Lois and the 'Jewish Problem'
josef cohen ,   bkk thailand   (11.25.05)
There is something fundamentally wrong when a person who's only posts are characterised by vicious anti Semitism talks about the 'Jewish problem' This is the same person who posted that Jewish Holocausts as occurred in 8th century Morocco, 11th Century Egypt and 20th century Europe were nothing more than a bunch of bad Hollywood movies, "...Holocaust 1, Holocaust 2 and Holocaust 3." I really never could be sure if the post was saying that Jews deserved it, more Holocaust denial or was just dismissing these things as excessive 'Jewish whining'. Respectfully, Josef Cohen
51. JOSEF
(11.25.05)
OK fair- then you will accept-- ZIONISM is the problem?? Or Judiasm is the problem? Fair? to be evenhanded- because if that whole aliyah biblical exile myth didnt exist- and jews stayed where they were born and didnt immigrate to Israel -( PALESTINE) - that area of the world-would NOT HAVE ALL THOSE PROBLEMS. NO??????
52. re: Josef
josef cohen ,   bkk thailand   (11.25.05)
to who ever posted to me. NO! I do not accept that the problem is either Judaism or Zionism! NO! I do not believe that there would be peace in the Middle East if there was never a return of Jews to their homeland. The Middle East has a long history of extremely bloody conflicts that have nothing to do with Israel or the Jews. Algeria, Lebanon, Iraq, Sudan immediately come to mind.
53. SUPPORT HUMAN RIGHTS OF ALL NON-MUSLIMS.NO MORE JEW CLEANSIN
(11.26.05)
Re-take Jewish Gaza! It has been transformed into a global base for terror. BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS AND NOT MUSLIMS, 10,000 Jews in Gaza and northern Samaria were rendered jobless and homeless for implacable enemies sworn to Israel's destruction. In a cruel, sadistic act Jews are forced to pay mortgages on their destroyed homes. IT TOOK THE GLOBAL VILLAGE TO RAISE THESE TERRORISTS. The PLO/Palestinian Authority terrorist organization's bank accounts and war chests are filled with billions of American and European tax dollars. PLO/PA are not expected to create businesses with their finances, long hours, and hard work. All of this was to be done for them by the Jewish victims of their terrorism. An Islamic terror state in Israel is the international reward and approval for over 26,000 terrorist attacks against Israel in the last five years and the maiming and murder of thousands of Jews. Wealthy PLO/Palestinian Authority terrorist organization were given fabulous gifts of Jewish land, thousands of greenhouses, and hundreds of farms of the Jews the terrorists attacked and murdered. In intense hate for G-D, Muslim mobs destroyed the synagogues. Hamas flags flew from synagogue roofs as synagogues burned. A major victory for global jihad. Murders, pogroms, genocides. Deportations. The stealing of Jewish land and assets is the way Jews have always been treated. Racist U.S. EU, and UN are uttlerly ruthless in their demand for ethnic Jew cleansing from Judea and Samaria criminally making hundreds of thousands of Jews jobless and homeless. The U.S. EU UN deliberately created economic and human crisis will be enormous. Weakness is universally despised. Israel will inspire great respect by refusing this cruel and depraved victimization of Jews.
54. THE PEACE PROCESS IS PART OF GLOBAL JIHAD
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (11.26.05)
ABBAS: LITTLE JIHAD IS OVER, BIG JIHAD STARTS http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=75030
55. "intifada"--yet how many were killed?
John ,   Brooklyn, USA   (11.29.05)
Noach Klieger's first premise--that an "intifada" is a Muslim revolt--is simply incorrect. The word "intifada" has no specific Islamic connotation. It means "sloughing off," and simply refers to Israeli occupation. (Though, yes, Palestinian Islamists have attempted to "Islamicize" the second intifada. It's nice to see Noach Klieger is in agreement with the Islamists here.) Secondly, for the sake of argument, say the revolts in France are an "intifada." How many of the suburban youth were killed by French forces? The two who were accidentally electrocuted at the beginning of the riots; one other death was reported, which I believe was at the hand of rioters; and that is all. Compare that with the response of the IDF, in which there were massive Palestinian casualties in Oct. 2000, before the armed Palestinian militias took over and the suicide bombing wave began. The French police have a reputation for being nasty, but compared to the IDF response in the first intifada and the beginning of the second intifada, they were benign. And Sarkozy's "scum" comments don't quite match Rabin's promise to "break their bones" during the first intifada. So, Noach Klieger, do you really want to stick with the "intifada" analogy?
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