Opinion  Ray Hanania
Christian fundamentalism drives U.S. extremism
Ray Hanania
Published: 09.01.06, 19:19
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1. What has this guy been smoking?
observer ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (01.09.06)
I am surprised that YNET publishes such nonsense. There are Jews who have echoed Pat Robertson's comments. That does not make them or Pat Robertson worse than Islamic extremists, one of the numerous exaggerations contained in this article.
2. Good Point Raised
emanon ,   USA   (01.09.06)
I appluad Ray Hanania for his honesty. This is why I read Y-Net: this editorial would either not be published in most US papers or it would be buried in the back section somehwere. Hanania is also correct in assuming that Christian fundamentialists are not too different from the Ismalic homicide bombers: many actually condone the killing of doctors, nurses and other personnel working at abortion clinics. These are also the ones who made the most noise over the "Happy Holidays" issue while also making even more noise if you dared mention anything about Chanukah. I have no problem with people believing something different that I do, I just have a problem with those that try to force their opinions on me and tell me my beliefs are wrong and worthless.
3. serious or humorous?
zalman ,   tsfat, ISRAEL   (01.09.06)
or jusr plain pompous.?here we have yet another hate diatribe with lots of name calling and no substance. Hanina belongs in the same bucket of slop that he assighns his subjects to.
4. not quite an ayatollah
yasha ,   israel   (01.09.06)
Dear Ray, Happy belated New Year. I have to say that despite your very valid opinion that some american christian fundamentalists may be more anti-semitic than the president of Iran, i think you are way off by comparing a mostly harmless American broadcasting loudmouth, to the murderous, repressive, hateful autocratic regime currently ruining Iran since 1979. as much as Pat Robertson may deserve to be beaten with 700 Clubs for his moronic moments, one can not compare his words, with the violent and deadly actions of Israel's most dangerous enemy at the moment.
5. Not a CLUE
DANNY ,   America   (01.09.06)
This guy is not funny nor does he have a clue what any Christian thinks, but you all knew that anyway. Sorry Ray nobody is laughing or taking you seriously. How can you make such concrete statements about what goes on in somebody else's mind? Oh yeah you’re a fool. Do you want to tell us now what it is like to be black person in America? How can this be any different that what you just spewed? Idiot! Yes Robertson is con artist, but to lump him in with real followers of Christ is proof of how dumb you are. You didn't mention in your article that Jesus is really alive and reveals Himself to his followers still to this day. Why is that? Oh, more ignorance. And you talk like you actually know something. You know nothing… Some really important facts about this life are going to hit you in the face someday and you face will turn really red, and not from laughing, but embarrassment. I feel sorry for you. But hey at least you got a good job. Smile by happy, for now. your pitiful.
6. WICKED RELIGIOUS AGENDA KEEPS PA CHRISTIANS PERSECUTED
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (01.09.06)
The extremely wicked U.S. EU UN RELIGIOUS agenda includes forcing Christians to live under horrific Islamic Sharia law. TAKE BETHLEHEM & OTHER CHRISTIAN TOWNS INSIDE GREEN LINE NOW! PLO terrorists conducted barbaric jihad against Lebanon's Christians murdering huge numbers. www.free-lebanon.com Click on photo gallery - 20,000 Christians handicapped by PLO atrocities. PLO savagery was rewarded. The PLO terrrorists were implanted into Israel as "peace" partners through Oslo to continue their jihad. Christians in PA areas suffer horrendous persecution under cruel occupation of PA/PLO and other terrorist organizations. Christianity Dying In Its Birthplace By Daniel Pipes FrontPageMagazine.com | September 13, 2005 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19453 "What some observers are calling a pogrom took place near Ramallah, West Bank, on the night of Sep. 3-4. That’s when fifteen Muslim youths from one village, Dair Jarir, rampaged against Taybeh, a neighboring all-Christian village of 1,500 people. The Ajajs and their friends broke into houses and stole furniture, jewelry, and electrical appliances. They threw Molotov cocktails at some buildings and poured kerosene on others, then torched them. The damage included at least 16 houses, some stores,a farm, and a gas station. The assailants vandalized cars, looted extensively, and destroyed a statue of the Virgin Mary. “It was like a war,” one Taybeh resident told The Jerusalem Post. Hours passed before the Palestinian Authority security and fire services arrived. The fifteen assailants spent only a few hours in police detention, then were released. As for Khouriyye, the Palestinian police arrested him, kept him jail, and (his family says) have repeatedly beat him. A cousin, Suleiman Khouriyye, pointed to his burned house. “They did this because we’re Christians. They did this because we are the weaker ones.” The Khouriyyes and others recall the assailants shouting Allahu Akbar and anti-Christian slogans: “Burn the infidels, burn the Crusaders.” This assault fits a larger pattern. According to the Catholic Custodian of the Holy Land, Pierbattista Pizzaballa, Christians in the Bethlehem region alone have suffered 93 cases of injustice in 2000-04. In the worst of these, in 2002, Muslims murdered the two Amre sisters, 17 and 19 years old, whom they called prostitutes. A post-mortem, however, showed the teenagers to have been virgins – and to have been tortured on their genitals. “Almost every day – I repeat, almost every day – our communities are harassed by the Islamic extremists in these regions,” Pizzaballa says. “And if it’s not the members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, there are clashes with … the Palestinian Authority.” In addition to the Islamists, a “Muslim land mafia” is said to operate. With PA complicity. it threatens Christian land and house owners, often succeeding to compel them to abandon their properties. The campaign of persecution has succeeded...Bethlehem and Nazareth, historic Christian towns for nearly two millennia, are now primarily Muslim. In 1922, Christians outnumbered Muslims in Jerusalem; today, Christians amount to a mere 2 percent of that city’s population." "Islamic mafia accused of persecuting Holy Land Christians" http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/09/09/wmid09.xml Every single agreement has been broken by the PA/PLO, rendering Oslo, Road Map and ALL agreements NULL AND VOID. IDF, HELP! Stop Islamic cruelty. Liberate Christians from ALL terrorist organizations now!
7. Calling Christians, Christian Evangelical AYATOLLAHS?
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (01.09.06)
Ray Hanania states: I am certain that if Christian fundamentalists in America were to ever find themselves in the same situation as the Palestinians, for example, they would defend suicide bombing as a “justified” form of combat What an incredibly evil blood libel against Christians! In the Bible, G-D commands: "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER" Islamofascists murder Jews BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS! Jewish men, women, children, babies, pregnant women. No mercy is shown to Jewish infidels! The Palestinian Authority teach the murder of Jews as a religious obligation through their mosques, media and public education system. Sermon, Oct 13 2000 broadcast from Gaza mosque, Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, on Palestinian Authority TV (transcribed by Memri): "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..." Such horrifying teachings are the opposite of what Jews and Christians believe, yet Mr. Hanania says Christians are worse than Islamic extremists!
8. And yet there are no American Christian suicide bombers
howard ,   pacific coast, usa   (01.09.06)
On the one hand, Ray, I agree that the fundamentalist Christian preachers are not true friends of the rest of us; with one hand, they give support to Israel, but with the other hand, they call for policies here in the US that isolate non-Christians in our society, foment bigotry against us and suppress the open expression of religions other than their own. Example: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=60257 However, I don't agree with you that these people are "worse than the Islamic extremists." Robertson is not out there calling for Jewish and Muslim people in the holy land to be massacred, whereas your non-friends, the Hamas theo-fascists, are literally calling for an outright massacre of Jews and Druze and others. Robertson & co. also don't call for Christian suicide bombers to deliberately murder Muslim civilians around the world, whereas Islamic extremists call for the murder of Jewish civilians around the world. Iran's Ahmadinejad is calling for a nuclear war against Israel; Robertson is not conducting research into nuclear weapons in his churches. And Saudi religious extremists not only interfere with the public expression of non-Islamic religions in Saudi -- they don't permit it at all. Robertson is a nasty man, but has been willing to show up at the places of worship of other religions; when was the last time a Saudi imam visited a synagogue? The Saudis don't even want Jews in their COUNTRY. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3493448.stm Score plus ten for recognizing a serious problem, minus five for mistaking the degree. My $0.02.
9. Racism?
(01.09.06)
What on earth does race have to do with anything? This attack on Pat Robertson is merely more evidence of the criminalisation of Christianity and people who believe in the Bible or Torah. Of course (To the haters of Jewish and Christian religion) Muslims who believe in their Koran are holy and moral and we should all tolerate their intolerant religion, that is fundamentally opposed to the values of the West, Modernity, and Enlightenment. And Guess what? When Muslims take over Europe in about 15 years, it'll be the Liberal multi-culturalists who will be wishing for good old Pat Robertson instead.
10. What pissed off Pat Was.......
Robert Goldman ,   cooper city Florida   (01.09.06)
to him Sharon was putting a hold on the second coming of christ.... YUP that's what Pat wants, end of days Og a magog. Hey Pat the tailer park called and they want their trash back!
11. good article
someone ,   somewhere   (01.09.06)
well thought out and basicly it couldn't have been said better
12. Ray, you are right...
Hiram ,   Tel aviv   (01.09.06)
Fundamentalist Christians, however, believe that only those who embrace their interpretation of religion will go to Heaven. Similarly, extremist Muslims also believe that those who do not embrace Islam will not be saved, and that includes all Christians, all Jews and even secular Muslims, too. Many Christians constantly criticize this Islamic view, but their silence on the ignorance of Robertson and other Christian Evangelical ayatollahs is deafening. Their silence is the real sin, the true violation of Christian belief. This is yet an other proof that in any religion, including Judaism, extremists can be dangerous. Luckily they are a minority ! Luckily also most of the Christians have more tolerance than the marginal fringe of "hard core" folks....just like Israelis Jews most of the time ( and luckily ) have more tolerance than fanatics who where "so tolerant" that they did rejoice when Katrina killed people... A Christian fanatic is equally as dangerous as an Islamic Jihader, and a Jewish zealot. The key to serenity is simply the "middle point"....all the rest is simply nonsense used and exploited by hungry politicians to achieve personal power , here in Israel like in Iran or in any other country where religion has never been separated from the state affairs and where governants need to yield to the outrageous requirements of bearded " wisemen" of all kinds.
13. Isupport Pat Robertson and I am Jew living in Israel !
Yair ,   Raanana, Israel   (01.09.06)
14. Hanania is a stupid guy Pat is our friend !
Noam ,   Petach Tikva Israel   (01.09.06)
15. Pat the freak
(01.09.06)
Pat Robertson should be nailed to a cross and have his balls ripped off with a plastis fork
16. ray hanania
eskel gavriel ,   israel   (01.09.06)
thanks a´lot, hanania, i did not know that the jews are worshipping moon-god. thats something new to me. but seriously, is this a comedy or what? i never thought that the believing christians are racists and that they too worship muslim moon-god. i think hanania should first take a look at a mirrow to see a real rasist
17. BRAVO RAY!!!
Michael Steiner ,   EU   (01.09.06)
Mikerev lev todah for this wonderful article. I'm sick and tired of seeing my brothers and sister getting in cahoots with Xian fundamentalists. They're NOT our friends. These are people who donned white sheets over their bodies until not so long ago and who're today bombing abortion clinics and putting pink triangles on homosexuals. Of course there are some wonderful individuals from among them (I know a few myself) but overall never forget what they stand for (all Jews are going to "hell")--their values are completely divergent from ours. They "love" Israel only because they hate Muslims more than they hate Jews... - for the moment. For the moment.
18. Pat Robertson is the a new version of Adolf Hitler!
Abdullah ,   Kuwait City   (01.09.06)
This lunatic racist fascist is exploiting the Middle East conflict to spread his hatred of any being who isn't an Evangelical Christian! Something must be done to discipline him soon! Salam.
19. Sharon was plotting more land give aways but his doctor
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica, CA   (01.09.06)
told him to go home and rest. He wouldn't listen to his doctor and that is a dangerous thing for an overweight, stressed, 77 year old man. He gave away the birthright of the Jews, land given by G-d to the Jews, not to "palestinian' terrorist scum and while he was plotting to give away more, G-d kicked his ass. If you won't believe in G-d and you won't believe your doctor, you suffer the penalty. He could have retired but he wanted so badly to give away more land that G-d just kicked Sharon so hard he will have a hard time getting up. Just as a broken 24 hour clock can be right once a day, Pat Robertson can be right once and this is one time.
20. Ray is afraid of Pat Robertson
Francois ,   Paris   (01.09.06)
The Fakestinians are afraid of Evangelical Christians because they are strong supporters of Israel. As a consequence, the Fakestinian progadandists are trying to describe them as anti-Semites because they to frighten Israeli Leftists, e.g. Israeli idiots. However, who is the real friend of the Jews, Pat Robertson who has a strong commitment toward Israel or a so-called "moderate" Fakestinian who is trying to convince the Jews that the "return right" is a legitimate right and is a step toward peace ? The answer is obvious, and the akward taqya of Fakestinians won't change it.
21. Linda with her tow scales
(01.09.06)
like God told us in the Bible DON'T MURDER ... Jesus told us DON'T HATE ... and you are the mother of the hate ... you make each comment according to your interest ... you are a big Christian fundamentalist but you are not a good Chritian ... a real good Christian should not hate anybody ... should ask for peace not to push people against each other like the zionists do ... so stop your games i think you became even boring repeating the same things all the time .. and stop speaking with the name of the Christians ... better speake with the name of the Jews you are more near to them than to the Christians ... you hear them jocking about Jesus you don't say a word against those and you keep on defending them ... you think you make Jesus happy like this ... even you don't advice those who attack Jesus not to do this .... what kind of Christian you are ... ??
22. Well done Ray ... thank you
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23. All "Palestinians" Christians are in our prayers
David Keith Johnson ,   Los Angeles   (01.10.06)
The original settlers of the Holy Land where Canaanite descendents of Ham. American fundamentalist Christians, as you call them, pray for all the people of the world including all “Palestinian” Arabs. Pat Robertson and other American evangelical Christians don't see themselves as being on the Israeli side or the Arab side but rather being on GODs side. Pat Robertson and other American evangelical Christians look to and stand on scripture from the book of Joshua chapters 11 to 24 and other scriptures in which G-D specifically gives the land of Canaan as an inheritance to the children of Israel. Consequently, the argument that you make in this article and that all those in the world who stand with you is an argument with G-D not with Pat Robertson or evangelical Christians. Moreover, African American evangelical Christians have been enslaved in America and still suffer from discrimination in the U.S. The African American experience has been far worse than the Palestinian national saga and yet you don't see African American suicide bombers. You’re wrong, even in harsher conditions than the Palestinians not only "fundamentalists in America" but just plain decent human beings wouldn't practice suicide bombings or "defend suicide bombing as a justified form of combat." Moreover, there is nothing anti-Semitic about believing that YAHshua (Yeshua for those who require it) is the moshiach for whom the Jews wait. In addition, it was not fundamentalist Christians or Protestants that killed Jews and Muslims during the Inquisition but the church more closely affiliated with the church to whom most "Palestinian" Arab Christians belong and the church that today is more vocally supportive of the "Palestinian" Arab position. Perhaps this is the church you mean "is built, somewhat, on a latent hatred of Jews” This is not meant to imply that this is my position, for I stand not in judgment of the church but I fail to see your reasoning for a foundation of hatred for Jews in fundamentalist Christianity. I hope that you do not presume that fundamentalist Christians assign blame for YAHshua's voluntary laying down of his own life to any particular group. It was for this reason that he came into the world. I can tell you matter of factly that no true Evangelical Christian would find fault with the plan of salvation or anyone playing a role in it for all was done by the father's will and not by any man's will. Contrary to your assertion that "Regardless of which religious book the fundamentalists carry, the Torah, the Bible or the Quran, extremists of all three religions threaten the future for everyone" if a real dialogue could be established between the students of the Torah, the Bible and the Quran (not the jihadists) and a search for common denominators in all 3 texts could be conducted without the meddling of secular humanists with there own agenda a just accommodation between the 3 religions might be found. However, inciters such as yourself and the rest of your ilk hate it when Christians support Jews and Israel because this support interferes with your diabolical plan to destroy Israel and to openly defy G-d. Pay attention, fundamentalist Christian support for Israel is based on the scriptures account of G-d’s granting of the land in question as an inheritance to the children of Israel. That is it. Read it and weep. Do we also hope to see the Temple rebuilt, Yes and so do orthodox Jews. Do we hope then to see YAHshua return, Yes. Most Orthodox Jews also pray for the coming of the moshiach so what is your point? Lastly, if these two hoped for events where to happen tomorrow it would not be a bad thing but the beginning of a millennium of peace and prosperity. Now who could argue with that? Oh I forgot, all those who seek to destroy Israel and openly defy G-d.
24. geniuses...
Alex   (01.10.06)
So this one genius apparently managed to hack into the Creator's code and figure out how He dispenses reward and punishment. Outstanding achievement for a Midwestern sheigetz. Never mind those backward Jews who would say things like "No thought can grasp You at all". Pat the Schlimazel Robertson just did it... See, it wasn’t the fact that the guy is overweight, 78 kein ayin hara, works 20 hr days and had enough life trauma to kill 20 average evangelical missionaries… He got stroke as a punishment for dividing The Land, see? Fantastic. I’d humbly suggest (and I think most doctors will agree) that it’s a miracle Sharon pulled it to 78 (may he go to 120) given all the factors above. So I guess he was rewarded for something, no?… But again, I belong to those “no thought can grasp You” guys… So this is what sets *us* apart from *them*: Essentially, we don’t have to see one of our brothers suffer from a life-threatening illness, G-d forbid, to *know* that what he did was against Torah, his People, common morality and his own self. We just know it. Neither do we have to see the “finger of G-d” to *know* that “there is nothing but Him”. But those who bow down to flesh and blood need to see G-d following their two-bit logic in order to “believe”. And when that doesn’t happen and they run out of excuses they as a rule conclude that Jews must be behind the whole mess… Pat The Rabbit-eater Robertson is an idol-worshipping idiot but he represents his confused and illiterate flock and its ideology very well. May they all start using their eyes for seeing, b'korov mamosh. Which brings us to the second genius, the author of this wonderful article. This here kicker sums it up best: “In reality, Robertson and the Christian fundamentalists are worse than the Islamic extremists that they, Bush and other American conservatives constantly attack.” I as a Jewish person find this statement extremely racist and prejudiced. See, we Jews always shied away from racist comparisons like this. I was always taught by my parents to never be prejudiced -- so for me all goyim are the same. This one worships the moon; this one worships some yeshiva-drop-out half-baked messiah, this one worships himself, and yet that one worships microwave ovens. What’s the difference? So today we have those ones who want to blow us all to bits and those who want to “save” us… Yesterday those who are “saving” us today were burning us alive and those who are blowing us up were gracious enough to call us “dhimmi”. One thing taka never changes - “Eisav hates Yaakov” – and that’s going to be the case until Moshiach’s coming, may it be today so that we don't have to fast tomorrow for 10th of Teves. My sincere wishes for Pat and Ray to whole-heartedly acknowledge One G-d and take upon themselves His Seven Universal Laws of Morality (Sheva Mitzvos Bnei Noach) with all the other confused creatures populating the Earth. Omeyn, Kein Yehi Rotzon.
25. Mr. Hanania, where is your EVIDENCE?
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (01.10.06)
Ray Hanania states: they know that Christian Evangelicals and fundamentalists are in fact more anti-Semitic than the Iranians. They may be the most anti-Semitic people on Earth. Mr. Hanania, please give evidence for your statements that Christians are more anti-Semitic than the Iranians and that Christians may be the most anti-Semitic people on earth. Iran openly declares they want to wipe Israel off the map. Virulent Jew-hate is taught and preached throughout the Muslim Middle East. The Jew-hate in Egypt's government-controlled media is as bad as the Jew-hate in Hitler's Germany.
26. #2 Take a TRUTH pill!
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (01.10.06)
Christians DO NOT now, NEVER have, and NEVER will condone the killing of doctors, nurses and other personnel working at abortion clinics! Christian pro-lifers are for LIFE! They are AGAINST killing! Chanukah is very special and beautiful. We light Chanukah candles! Thank G-D for Chanukah! And thank G-D for the Macabees!
27. Dear Ray, I'm confussed again...
Fact   (01.10.06)
Are you a G-d fearing man or a men-pleaser? You can only serve ONE.
28. Ray, you might be stating facts, but with a big TWIST
Tomer ,   Israel   (01.10.06)
Racist and dangerous are attributes that one might claim that Roberston possess. However, for you to say that Roberston is more dangerous and more racist than Islamic extremists (e.g Hamas or Iran's president) is false. I am wondering Ray. Did get to read one of the latest Ynet articles about the Pilgrimage to Mecca? And did you get to watch the videofeed of the article? Ray, can you tell us what did the muslim whorhsippers chant in the vidoe?? The racism and potential danger from Islamic extremists, who number in thousands and in possession of weapons, are FAR greater than an old-man Roberston. So who you think you fooling Ray?
30. Remember Jesus is not Moshiach
Michael U ,   SF, USA   (01.10.06)
Linda, While I respect your comments occasionally. I find it unbelievable that you really believe in Jesus. Read the scriptures, read the Torah... Try to justify Jesus according to the prophets and Torah. You will discover that Jesus was a false prophet. I know Christians who have discovered this truth. I have looked at the JFJ material, and it is always flawed interpretations which lead people down the wrong path. Please repent, Hashem loves you and you can always convert if you like. Hashem has a plan, and the Jewish people are a part of the plan... Michael U
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