when i say believe me may i lie ....but when you said i donot believe you sure you are not lie ..and i believe that this is the only thing that the israili do not lie

Arafat told the Mayfair Mosque in Johannesburg, South Africa in 1994 or 95 that his strategy was the same as the Prophet when he first negotiated with the Hudabiya tribe of Macca...Therafter he reneged and destroyed them>>>Thats how he got Macca.. Would Muslim scholars please tell me the exact story of that tribe if I got it wrong...I know the South African story is 100% correct

Likud made peace with Egypt. Likud gave formerly Egyptian Gaza to the Palestinians. Give me a break. Israel is and always has been willing to make compromises. That is why we have a State. The Palestinians have never been willing to make compromises. That is why they do not have a state. NEVER equate even the most extreme Jewish group with the slime that is Hamas.

Yes, justice will win. You just watch as Hamas goes down.

I feel badly for Christian Palestinians whose lives are being ruined by the takeover by Islamofacists. But don't blame Israel. The ohly people who were even vaguely moderate amongst the Palestinian leaders were disempowered by Arafat and his cronies. Savagery ruled and any words of moderation were blunted. Even Hanan Ashrawi, not necessarily my favorite person, resigned in disgust.

more like a bear in wolf's clothing...

there never was were or will be a "palestinan state or people. farouk kadumi declared in 1971 ,as a media, that the term "Palestinans' is self invented to counter" the isrsalis", the term plaestine was never never constructed in conjunction and correlation to an arab nation ,of any sort. even jordan and iraq are a modern day inventions by the british empire. syria is a by product of the french. the arabs in israel ,and the disputed terrirtries have the sam back ground and origins. they all migrated to the land of israel in the 17th and 18 th centuries to counter jewish build up of this land. jerusalem was never a capital city to anyone in the world ,but the jews. so haniya-- kish min touches!

has Israel reached to YOU: you turned down everything each time. You missed never chance to miss a chance The Arabs started all the wars and still want war what do you call reaching out ? Do you mean: Israel should have been Committing Suicide and walk alone into the Sea of Gaza ? or ovens or what ever. Would that have been your type of reaching out ? Wake up - you missed each chance you never kept agreements - Look OSLO - you did not keep that agreement - not a single one

that pot is the worst: since you have no guts so, shut up you mamzer

THE HAMAS - BACKGROUND http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/970824.htm THE COVENANT OF THE HAMAS - MAIN POINTS http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

Hamas in its own words [When will the world stop funding terrorists ?] http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2006/feb/16_08.html His Hudna: as Arabs use to regroup and wait until they feel strong enough to attack. Islamic liars

you seem to forget that it was the palestinians who supported saddams invasion of your country. these people dont want peace.

Just judging by your posts.

If Hamas says they want to kill all Israelis and demolish Israel, you hold them to their word and call them terrorists and blood thirsty murderers. If Hamas says they do not seek to kill Jews or 'throw them to the sea' and they seek a peaceful solution based on '67 territories, then you call them liers and don't hold them to their word and they're still blood thirsty terrorsts. If they continue suicide bombs and qassam launching then they are terrorists who love to kill civillians. Then they call a truce for over a year and stick by it without one single suicide bomb coming from Hamas, and you call it a ploy to regroup and strengthen so that they can kill all Jews in the long run. Jesus Christ you are pathetic, can you hear yourselves?? What exactly would satisfy you? Hamas is not going to disappear into thin air and certainly they cannot be defeated millitarily because their ideology and sympathizers will only be strengthened by continuing attacks on them. So what the hell is your solution? You don't want peace and it can be seen by the blind.

You generally impress me as a normal human being, unlike some people who post. Please think for a few minutes about something that you have never (thank G-d) experienced. Jews posting on this forum live every day knowing that millions of people are taught from childhood to hate us simply because of who we are. A percentage even hate us so much that they would happily blow themselves up to kill a few Jewish doctors or shoppers or kids. These are not just Palestinians, but Iranians, and Egyptians, and others who have no territorial dispute with Israel at all, and if Israel vanished tomorrow they would STILL hate us. They would have to find other reasons, but find them they would. That's the way anti-Semitism has worked for thousands of years. Because of the Holocaust, we know what happens when such hatred becomes policy: genocidal slaughter. We know what the world will do to stop it: nothing. HAMAS is one of many wellsprings of this hatred. People around the world tell us to take a gamble that HAMAS does not intend the stuff that it has told its people for so many years, and that despite its day-to-day actions, HAMAS REALLY wants something else. Such well-intentioned people can afford to dabble in middle east affairs because it is not THEIR kids and cousins who will get slaughtered if HAMAS is permitted to grow strong enough to implement its well-publicized long-term program -- nor will they be on the Palestinian side when half-measures, wishful thinking and coddling of a genocidal HAMAS "government" make HAMAS aggressive enough that someone has to resort to outright warfare to cut out a spreading cancer. Just like Afghanistan. Just like Iraq (in 1991 at any rate). Just like Iran (nuke crap) today. This was really, really long. I apologize for the length. It would have been hard to cover this in fewer words :-(

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LOVE your ending!

Peace is the first thing we Jews want. It is the one thing that has always been denied to us. And I would bet that it is because of people like you. Just a wild guess.

We want peace. We have always wanted peace. It is simply that we have had your Islamic lies up to our eyeballs. You lie and lie and lie and kill us and kill us and kill us. You have no credibility whatsoever. Your holy book preaches war against all who do not follow your path. It is you who are pathetic to think we will buy your bullshit after everything you have done to us and all the lies that you continue to tell. You twist history and call it truth. A hudna is not peace. It is a contrived effort to buy time to gather more arms, advance your lousy rockets, spew more hatred and wait til the next onslaught. More lies and more lies.

Stop talking about '48 borders - the disengagement did get us a peace settlement - Hamas must recognize the ISRAEL OF TODAY - then maybe we can talk about borders!!!.

If u were a palestinian or and egyptian or an iranin and u read all the insanity that is posted in here How would it feel like? If Hamas has never got into suicide bombing would any of the posts above come any different. No sir I assure u that this will not change anything at all. read the posts again and tell me who are the real haters. who are the real initiators of violence and the cycle of blood. you know exactly why we are fighting u, u know exactly what most palestinians want. but do u really know what YOU realy want.

Israel has these preconditions for negotiations with Hamas that seem ridiculous to them and they have preconditions which are definitely out of the question for Israel...What do we do ? We wait. Lets see if two years can go by without a Hamas-sponsored attack. Maybe then we'll be ready...Not now, not with those conditions. Perhaps they'd like to draw out the borders for us as well..??..Bottom line - Israel wants peace but since we are in a position of power, WE will decide when we are ready to withdraw. FIRST they must prove themselves. But in order for them to do so we must give them the chance....

Hi again Mr. Howard, As always, I like reading your posts, and I agree with what you've said; I have to love to Hamas either but the fact of the matter is that right wing wave is spreading all over the world starting from the U.S. to Israel to Germany to Egypt to PA and of course in Kuwait! I think the real international was should be one against right-wing extremism that leads to many of the terrorist organizations of the world!

Hamas are Hamas... Their "raison d'etre" is to destroy Jews and Israel...How they TRY to do it is a matter of their strategy... It is all Takiya and Takfiya (I am stillwaiting for an answer to my Post #33) ...They havnt stopped killing Jews(and the occassional Muslim or two in work accidents,parades and Jail stormings).. Where is the Cease fire or so-called "Hudna" or the Quietness .. so "Islamic Jihad" or some other surrogate subcontracted group do Hamas's dirty jobs... Thats why Walls and Fences are for the time being the best way to cut down on Murders of Jews ..Otherwise have a nice week.

From the Hamas Charter: Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it. The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil and contemptible ways to achieve its end. It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.

you are in south africa write to support israil i guiss you are a jew ////yes sir in hudaybia prophet muhamad was in almadeena wher all the arabs were moslems but in macca all are arab some of them were moslems others were kafer ..and this hudaybia between kafer and moslem so when the kafer kill ed some moslems in macca .prophet muhamad support the moslems and openened macca without fighting ..and over all prophet muhammad did what god ordered him ....now you alan from the deep south supporte your fellow now there is no prophet ...alan you do not know about islam as a religion nor as a history and some moslems do not know that so when you want to supporte israil or the jews speake about their religion and their history to give good examples and let the moslems who know better than you to tell about the religion and the history salam alan

Thank you for your side of the story...Just like today the Muslims of that time did nothing wrong.... They are always innocent..They are always the victim.Evey body else is the criminal......I still wait for the story of the Hudabiya and the Hudna of the Prophet from someone- I only know what Arafat told us here in my city in South Africa...You can ask anyone who was in the Mosque that day in 94 or95. I can bring them to you,.....