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Poland seeks Auschwitz name change
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Published: 30.03.06, 19:57
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1. Poles were not just victims...
Jeffrey Levine ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (03.30.06)
I think a name cahnge is very inappropriate. Since the camp has historical significance it should carry its orginal name. Yes, the poles were victoms of the Nazis. No one will dispute that. But the Poles, like many other groups were willing collaborators in carrying out the Nazi Final Solution. No matter how much a people are suffering, they can aways be counted on to victimize the Jews!
2. thay are trying to rewrite history
david ,   miami, usa   (03.30.06)
poland was the epicenter of rabid antisemitism. they are responsible for countless jewish deaths during the war and even massacred jews after the holocaust when they had the audacity to return to their homes. the poles are fully responsible. didn't they try to make aushwitz a catholic shrine previously? this is a lot of chutzpah
3. AS IF THE MAJORITY OF POLISH WEREN'T ACTIVELY INVOLVED
David ,   Santa Cruz, CA   (03.30.06)
GREAT IDEA TO ERASE, REWRITE HISTORY WHEN IT'S TOO MUCH OF AN EYE SORE TO BARE, SO THAT IT MAY SOOTHE THE GUILTY CONSCIENCE OF AN ENTIRE NATIONS PAST WITH A HEALTHY WHITE WASH OF THE TRUTH TO BLUR THE EDUCATION OF FUTURE GENERATIONS
4. agree with 1, 2, 3, but
Beth ,   San Luis Obispo, USA   (03.31.06)
am wondering why all of us are located in the USA. My talkback #4 means both the West and East Coast of America has 2 people who read ynet who care enough to comment. What, if anything, does that mean? So, Poland thinks they can push through their sickening addition to Holocaust revisionism after some 27 years? "The Paris-Based" and UNESCO give me the feeling this might have a chance. Someone else ... anybody else ... willing to do something? Is there anything we can do from the USA or have the French already sunk to "collaborate" because the UN is beneath that level already ...
5. You gotta wonder about some people.
Trevor Brooks ,   London, ON, Canada   (03.31.06)
Do they think that visitors to Auschwitz are suddenly going to forget they're in Poland if they change the name of the place?
6. Change the name of Poland to something else,
Alan ,   SA   (03.31.06)
... say, General Government, and then Auschwitz wont be in Poland
7. it hurts
shimon ,   madrid   (03.31.06)
i'm a polish jew living in spain, but part of my family is just polish catholic, and my grandfather was in a german concentration camp as a pole. nobody wants to deny polish antisemitism, but auschwitz, where some else of my relatives died, was a german invent, set up and run by germans. So, it hurts to read some really ignorant people, also jews, mainly from the U.S. who speak about poles and nazis as if they were exactly the same thing. Everybody has to assume his own guilts, but not guilts of other people. There's no comaprison between the shoah and what the poles suffered, but we should remember that three milions polish catholcs died during the war, mainly in terror actions carried out but the occupation forces, shot dead or in concentration camps. Speaking about polish concentration camps hurts the memory of these people and, after all, should hurt our jewish memory too.
8. reply to (1-4)
stupidAmericans ,   Germany   (03.31.06)
you were wondering why all of you were from the USA? Your emails only confirm that Americans are the most uneducated people in the world. Truth hurts...
9. #6
Beth ,   USA   (03.31.06)
Now, THAT'S a great idea. LOL
10. #7
Beth ,   San Luis Obispo, USA   (03.31.06)
It's complicated, I know, but nothing you've written justifies the proposed name change. I am an American Jew and I never forget all the people in WWII, including others who did not die in battle. However, the camps were set up as a part of "The Final Solution" and that meant ...to the Jewish problem ... and was also enmeshed with Islamic involvement/instigation, but that is OT for now ... my point being when you write, "Nobody wants to deny Polish anti-Semitism" and "really ignorant people, also Jews, mainly from the U.S. who speak about Poles and Nazis as if they were the exactly the same thing" ... I believe you are missing the point completely. Sorry ... Auschwitz is Auschwitz and will remain so even if political pressue brings about a name change. If that happens, any decent human being (Jew and non-Jew alike) should continue to call it Auschwitz.
11. Everyone should know
David Joseph ,   Orlando, Florida   (03.31.06)
Poland was a victim of nazi Germany. Thousands upon thousands of polish Jews and and anyone who seemed Jewish were murdered on the spot or sent to Auschwitz and Birkenau. Also the resistance and the handicapped or disabled. Of course there were collaborators in Poland but there were collaborators in germany and in the death camps.
12. #8 SHOWS SYMPTOMS OF THE CLASSIC GERMAN INFERIORITY COMPLEX
David ,   Santa Cruz, CA   (03.31.06)
ITS NO SECRET THAT JEALOUSY AND ENVY PERMEATE FROM THE GERMAN MINDSET, NOTHINGS CHANGED IN GERMANY, JUST A GENERATION OR SO LATER THEY STILL SEEK TO ABSOLVE THEMSELVES OF ANY WRONG DOING, WHETHER IT BE IN THE PRESENT OR THE PAST
13. #12 not very clever, are you?
stupidAmericans ,   kazakhstan   (03.31.06)
jealousy? envy? you think anyone in the world is jealous of being american? that's very typical of you... btw. what made you think I was german? A text box? Very clever indeed :) ps. does it really matter for you what's the name of Auschwitz if you probably couldn't even point Poland on a map?
14. #12
Beth ,   San Luis Obispo, CA   (03.31.06)
That reminds me of something Dennis Miller said in 1989 upon the reuniting of West and East Germany: "Hey, I've seen their work before and I'm not so happy about this." ROFLMAO
15. #13
Beth ,   America   (03.31.06)
I know for a fact that David can point out Poland on a map. "stupidkazakhstanies" ... how does that sound to you? Your use of "stupidAmericans" is immature and reveals you to be one lacking in character.
16. Poand owns bloodmoney to the Jewish people!
Jewish justice   (03.31.06)
Poland is one of the few countries in Eastern Europe which STILL hasn't returned private Jewish properties to Jews which were confiscated by the Nazis and nationalized by the Polish government after WW2! These properties are worth billions of dollars. There can be NO normalization in Polish-Jewish relations before these properties are returned to Holocaust survivors and their offspring. The Poles shouldn't rob the Jewish people -- they did enough by cooperating with the Nazis in WW2.
17. There is no doubt that Auschwitz was established by the Nazi
Alan ,   SA   (03.31.06)
.. Germans...Neither is there doubt that Millions of Poles were murdered by those same Nazis...Nor that many many Poles did help save Jews (in my own family my- still alive today- two cousins were saved by their Polish Nurse)..BUT a lot of Poles and Lithuanians and Ukranians and other E. Europeans helped the Nazi Germans do their dastardly foul deeds of Jew Extermination... Also the Grand Mufti and his Arab friends tried to get the German Nazis to also set up extermination camps in the Middle East to wipe out local Jewish Populations.. Just like Amamadman of Iran and the Hamas gang today
18. There was a good reason the Nazi Germany
Roger ,   USA   (03.31.06)
expanded its corporate structure The Killing Of Jews, LTD to Poland. Poland was a fertile ground for murdering/exterminating the Jews. The hatred of Jews in Poland was ingrained in the Polish national character. No wonder the only pogrom after WW2 was held in Poland. Why did not the German Nazi machine build The Killing of Jews, LTD. subsidiary in Denmark? Because Denmark was not receptive to the slaughter of the Jewish citizens while Poland was.
19. of hatred of toward the Jews. It is wired in the Polish DNA
Poland has a long ,   history and record   (03.31.06)
They can change the name but not their bloody record of anti-Semitism.
20. They want to obscure their history of hate toward the Jews
They hate the facts ,   They hate the truth   (03.31.06)
and only blame the Germans!
21. # 16, 19, 20
Maecel ,   Florida   (04.01.06)
It is the right of people everyhere to fight invadors. Poland was invaded by Khazar jews who did not stop at that but invaded Germany too. I am no talking about a military invasion here, but the usual Jewish "Money control"ing invasion. Do you blame them for hating Jews after sucking the life out of them??
22. AMERICAN JEWS BRAINWASHED
P. JOSEPHS ,   USA   (04.01.06)
AUSCHWITZ WAS BUILT AND OPERATED BY THE GERMANS !!! LET ME POSE A QUESTION TO AMERICAN JEWS, WHAT DID YOU DO TO HELP YOUR POOR EASTERN EUROPEAN JEWS ???? .....NOTHING, NADA !!! POLAND DURING WWII WAS UNDER SIEGE. THE POLISH PEOPLE WERE UNDER SIEGE. THE PENALTY FOR HELPING A JEW WAS DEATH FOR ANY POLE ATTEMPTING TO HELP. IF A POLE WAS CAUGHT HIS/HER FAMILY WAS ALSO KILLED. THE ANNE FRANK STORY IS MULTIPLIED A THOUSAND-FOLD IN POLAND. IT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO THE SACRIFICES THAT THE POLES DID TO HELP THEIR FELLOW POLISH JEWS. HOLLAND HAD IT EASY DURING WWII. GO LOOK UP IRENA SENDLER IN YOUR GOOGLE SEARCH. SHE SAVED 2500 JEWISH CHILDREN.THAT'S A HEROINE. LOOK UP ZEGOTA. THERE WERE MANY OTHERS LIKE HER. DON'T FORGET, POLAND'S JEWISH POPULATION WAS 10%. JEWS WERE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT SUFFERED DURING WWII. POLES WERE CO-VICTIMS AT THE HANDS OF THE GERMANS !!! GO LOOK UP YAD VASHEM. THE MAJORITY OF THE RIGHTEOUS ARE POLES.WHERE IN THE HELL IS SPIELBERG WHEN YOU NEED HIM !!! REVISIONISM??? SOME JEWS ARE GUILTY OF THAT !!! THE POLES DID NOT BUILD OR OPERATE THE GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS. GERMANS DID !!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS ONCE AND FOR ALL !!!! THE CAMPS IN OCCUPIED POLAND WERE GERMAN !!!!! GERMAN !!! GERMAN !!!!
23. I dont think the name change is that important
Michael ,   Kfar Sabra   (03.31.06)
“Auschwitz Concentration Camp” To the “Former Nazi German Concentration Camp Auschwitz-Birkenau,” Everyone knows that the concentratoin camps were Nazi Concentration Camps. This doesnt really change anything. It doesnt change the fact that there is a village right next to the death camp, or that the Nazis chose to put it in poland because the polish people would not be as repulsed by it as the Germans. I have no problem with the name change at all, it is simply more discriptive.
24. Poles = anti-Semites
Pole buster ,   Polonia   (04.01.06)
Poland needs to give back all properties to the Jewish people. Like Yitzhak Shamir said; "the Poles get their anti-Semitism with theie mother milk".
25. Shamir was right!
Yitzhak Shamir ,   was right   (04.01.06)
"The Poles suck antisemitism in with their mother's milk." - Former Israeli PM Shamir born in Poland
26. Yes it hurts
Peter ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (04.01.06)
i,m polish not believing catholic married to an Israeli Jewish girl. Both my daughters are jewish which makes my both daughters jewish and it doesn't bother me. I know there is an atisemitism problem in Poland. My grandfather was in german concentration camp even he is not jewish. So please stop speaking of things you have no idea about. You just don't know what was really going on in Poland during the WW2.
27. #24 Another American Idiot
Peter ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (04.01.06)
BULLSHIT. I'm a pole married to a jew and I've had a lot's of milk. Are you anonther idiot from US?
28. #23
Beth ,   USA   (04.01.06)
You wrote, "...because the polish people would not be as repulsed by it as the Germans..." Another Israeli idiot?
29. #22
Beth ,   USA   (04.01.06)
I wasn't around, but my Jewish American grandparents were. Both sides of my Jewish American family came to America in the 1800's. Anyway, those eligible to fight before the USA even entered WWII joined and those eligible to fight after the USA had entered (i.e. after Pearl Harbor) ran to join the allies in order to help. You wrote, "...WHERE IN THE HELL IS SPIELBERG WHEN YOU NEED HIM !!!" Well, duh, he's out making a mockery of Munich 1972 with his ignorant piece of garbage, i.e. the movie "Munich." Tone it down and consider that others have legitimate opinions, please.
30. Jewish are anti-Polish
Jan ,   Poland   (04.03.06)
The Jewish are anti-Polish. In fact it's the most chauvinist nation on Earth. They just hate us, as much as they hate the Arabs. I'm Polish and I feel offended by their attitude. But actually I don't care too much about them. I never said anything about the Jews, I don't know any Jews, but all I can hear is "Poles are anti-semites". It's them who have a problem, not me. For those claim that Auschwitz was run by Poles: Read the history book first!
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