Opinion  Aviad Kleinberg
War on Qassams not kosher
Aviad Kleinberg
Published: 11.04.06, 09:29
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61. Didn't We Warn Them?
Yisrael Medad ,   Shiloh   (04.14.06)
Just like the midrash on the three warning missives sent by Joshua to the nations prior to Canaan's coquest, so did the IDF send letters of warning. Seems that it was done very kosher like and it's Kleinberg who is the treif one.
62. Absolutely Correct
David ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (04.14.06)
You're right, some methods of dealing with Kassam launches are not kosher. I'll define them for you: any method that does not bring them to an absolute stand-still. We have to hit them so hard they cannot raise their heads. Until we do we will have engaged in the worst moral failing of all kind - indifference to our own people's lifeblood.
63. "Holding innocent people hostage"???
Andras Bereny ,   Kfar Tapuah, Shomron   (04.14.06)
1. The Arabs just voted in a terrorist "government", so their "innocence" is (very!) relative. 2. Terrorists traditionally use their civilian population to hide behind. 3. If one ignores Israeli suffering under Kassams, one can rightfully be called anti-Semite 4. This is not the first anti-Semite article that I read on Ynetnews 5. I won't come here any more, publishers of Jew-haters.
64. Kleinberg is a moron
Mollie and Jonathan ,   Pennsylvania   (04.14.06)
Kleinberg admits that he doesn't have an answer to stopping the firing of rockets into Israel from Gaza. Yet according to his brilliant powers of logic, he does know that firing back is not kosher. What he is basically saying is that Israel, in order to be kosher, has to give up the right of self-defense. Makes sense to the Palestinians.
65. Well done
Mrjingle ,   london   (04.14.06)
pat yourself on the back. You're such a good Jew. So much compassion and understanding for the suffering of the other side. You can go to bed at night knowing that god knows what a caring, thoughtful and compassionate person you are. Its such a shame you don't share these sentiments for your fellow Jews. How do you propose we respond to Kassam rockets? By building primitive weapons and firing them indescriminately ourselves or by simply ignoring them. They're not an existential threat....unless they kill you. Sounds good.
66. Why should we show compassion to murders!
Rivkah ,   Israel   (04.15.06)
Why should we show compassion to people who oviously want us blown off the face to f the earth, not to mention Israel.
67. Is the Arab method not kosher than!
Rivkah ,   Israel   (04.15.06)
I don't see anyone saying the Arab way of trying toeliminate Jews is not Kosher!
68. Is Kleinberg an Arba using a Jewish name?
Rivkah ,   Israel   (04.15.06)
Is Kleinberg an Arba using a Jewish name?
69. #35 Excuse us john, for our cruelty
Ron ,   LA   (04.15.06)
"brain dead all these comments are grounded on guts-feelings or rather guts lack of feelings. No rational argument, no discussion on the substance of the article. Hatred, intolerance. " The reason we are speaking from our guts is because our brothers and sisters are under attack by barbarians and Islamofashists, like those your beloved mayor Livingstone F. Bigot invite to Londonistan and kisses ass. I highlty recommend john to visit talkbacks, dealing with British occupation in Iraq. I am sure there no emotions there. Those Jews are so emotional. ..British messed up the whole world, prior to death of their Empire, enslaved entire nations, they were so "grounded" had " rational argument" and were so "tolerant" unlike those Jews who are brain dead. Hope the puddle will stay put in Iraq.
70. Aviad Kleinberg, You give me hope in Israelis..
Yasmeen ,   Gaza, Palestine   (04.15.06)
71. your brothers and sisters in LA?
john ,   london   (04.15.06)
all my sincere apologies : I didn't know that Santa Monica was under the Qassams. Incredible what modern technology can do! All my good wishes for the life in the shelters of Sunset Blvd.
72. #71 About my brothers and sisters
Ron ,   LA   (04.16.06)
We Jews are hurt when our brothers suffer. It doesn't matter if it is in Londonistan, under bigot Red Ken or Peru, Boston, Uganda, Sderot, NY or China. It doesn't matter what color we are and where we live. We are Jews. We are one soul. As to me being in LA, this because I am a entrepreneur, but also I love America. America is a great country and so is Israel. When I was younger, I used to kick some ass in IDF. I would be honored to do it again, no apologies. I pity Europeans. They live in deteriorating civilization. May be some new religion like Islam can do some good. Your prince Charles seems to be happy. May be Islam can give you some G-dliness and you Europeans can contribute some liberalism... May be this Eurabia can be a blessing to you there. To my opinion Europe need some chemotherapy, some help. Please, take care of yourself. Don’t count on America to come yet for the third time to help you. America is getting tired. Rotten children need to be disciplined sometimes...
73. #70 Yasmin, You give me hope in Palestinians
Ron ,   LA   (04.16.06)
Yasmin, Looks like you gonna eat lots of salt in Gaza... "Sura 2 (the Cow), verse 120 There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game. As the hadith has it: “The people of Syria are Allah’s whip on this land; He takes revenge by their intermediary from whoever he wished among his worshipers. The Hypocrites among them are forbidden from vanquishing the true believers, and they will die in anxiety and sorrow.” (Told by Tabarani, who is traceable in ascending order of traditionaries to Muhammad, and by Ahmed whose chain of transmission is incomplete. But it is bound to be a true hadith, for both story tellers are reliable. Allah knows best.)" http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html
74. Do I smell roses?
LanceThruster ,   LA, CA USA   (04.16.06)
...because almost across the board, those endorsing the murder of the innocent act as if their emanations don't stink. Before some of you get all high and mighty (is this a regular thing?), don't forget that PEACEFUL activism has resulted in those practicing it getting crushed under the blade of an armored bulldozer. And the powerful "lobby" that does not exist, seems successful in preventing the first amendment exopression of a play (My Name is Rachel Corrie). Words..not rockets. But it could not be allowed to conflict with the official narrative. So be careful about how stridently you accuse someone else of being heartless killers. Remeber the boy who cried wolf.
75. to yasmin
zahwa ,   jerusalem   (04.16.06)
good yasmin ,,still you have hope in israili but yasmin ..are you fateh or hamass or not that or this like me but palastinian or you are israili ,i prefer that you are israili may your hope has a result but if you like me sure i have no hope in all even in your hope
76. ron
juju ,   jerusalem   (04.16.06)
you are not araby nor moslem and many arab and moslem explain some ayate for their purpose or becouse they do not know and say allah say that ,,,ron to understand kuran only for a knowladge you may listen to whome explain it for the knowladge only not for this and that purpose i mean kuran is tight to some event and all events like it and need honest man to explain for knowledge only and need an honest man to read the explanation for knowledge only and i think that you are not honest in reading the explanation even the one explaine it is honest so what it will be if you read for men unhonest or they not know [the best honesty is to be honest with your selfe ] to me as a moslem and araby read the kuran if i can understand the kuran i know it is the facts if i can not i aske then i know it is the fact if no one can explain some thing i also know it is the fact becouse i believe it is the words of GOD on which i believe as example i read in kuran that befor the creation of the earth and skies the situation of god was on water ,, i think no one explained this fact but i know it is a fact and GOD KNOWS BETTER slam RON in la
77. #74 No Lance, Rose Parade is in Pasadena, not Palestina
Ron ,   LA   (04.16.06)
This is just hollusinations, my friend. You probably miss sleepless nights in a sleepin bag on January first and good Mexican grass... Relax, get yourself dosen roses from Ralphs, it's just $12.99 Sale! Happy Holydays.
78. #76 you need lots of prayers...
Ron ,   LA   (04.16.06)
"honest man to explain for knowledge only and need an honest man to read the explanation for knowledge only " what can I say.... i pray for you so you get good care in proper institution, which can handle this particular case. the difficulty you expirience is unknown to me, but i feel for you... i feel your pain.. sometimes you hear voices in your head, telling you stuff.. shadows in your room... it must be difficult.. please be safe.. if you have a way to call an ambulance, please do it soon.. i am gonna pray for you ans so all our friends here.. thank you for your help happy holydays G-d bless you...
79. #75 Hi, zahwa, tell us more about yourself..
Ron ,   LA   (04.16.06)
Do you want to share what's on your mind? Why are you sad? We are here for you..share your thoughts with us...can I help?
80. Ron-delusion
LanceThruster ,   LA CA USA   (04.17.06)
#74 Ron - No "Holy" days for me, thank you, they're probably the biggest part of the problem. Look at Israel. The Jews were only supposed to have the land if they kept the covenant. Mighty convenient how "selective" they are in being "observant." I am an atheist. I reject Islam as well but that is no reason to wish injustice on them or anyone else. I am not surprised you did not address my points. Israel, an occupying force, kills the innocent, and it will always be justified. The Palestinians kill the occupiers, and it is always terrorism. It's so easy, isn't it, to determine good guys and bad guys when you are in charge of making the definitions?
81. ron
zahwa ,   palastin   (04.17.06)
my friend you want to help me send me an umbulance iam here in palastine but i want you to be the driver ,,,take care the raod is full of bombs from the palastinians may alive bombs and sure the air is full of bombs israili one from planes abatchi and other newer weapon writting on the side of these weapons ]made in america ] so your umbulance will be like your prayers to juju never reach god salam ron read again about any ocupation to understand what is in the mind of palastinians and do not read any thing about islam the real islam becouse you will not understand and need mor and mor umbolance to all moslems believe on allah and its words the kuran
82. # 80 Lance
Ron ,   LA   (04.17.06)
“No "Holy" days for me, thank you, they're probably the biggest part of the problem.” I don’t care about your “ holydays” I was just being polite. Your problems are not of interest to me. “ Look at Israel. The Jews were only supposed to have the land if they kept the covenant. Mighty convenient how "selective" they are in being "observant." “ I don’t care what you think about Jews and their covenant. They didn’t ask you for your opinion. It worthless, anyway. Who cares? “I am an atheist. I reject Islam as well but that is no reason to wish injustice on them or anyone else. “ I don’t care what you believe, brother. You can believe in stones as long as you don’t throw them at me. Copish? ”I am not surprised you did not address my points.” I don’t care. “Israel, an occupying force, kills the innocent, and it will always be justified. The Palestinians kill the occupiers, and it is always terrorism. “ Your opinions are trash. Nobody in this forum interested in your “judgment” . “It's so easy, isn't it, to determine good guys and bad guys when you are in charge of making the definitions? “ Hey, pal, grab glass of water, you had a hard day, go sleep it off, tomorrow is another day. And, hey, Lance, don’t ask for my attention again, no time for shmocks, amigo, Copish?
83. # 34. Antisemitism
donsaliman ,   Israel   (04.17.06)
To find fault with Israel and only Israel,without condemning the one's who blow themselves up in Malls,Markets,school buss's and opening up a home celebrating a holiday or the Passover bombing at a hotel. Or the FIFA condemning Israel that hit a soccer field in Gaza,but not one word against a Kassam falling on a soccer field in Israel. That is what I will call Antisemitism
84. #81 Zahva, peace will come soon , inshallah
Ron ,   LA   (04.17.06)
Zahva, thanks for telling me what you are going through. I sincerely sorry you suffer from bombs and war and misery in the “West Bank.” I personally hope we Israelis and Palestinians can live in peace in two separate states. I don’t hate Arabs, on the contrary. Many Arabs are good, decent people. I also respect you religion, as long as you respect mine. I wish this nightmare will end soon, so we can meet for good hummus, pita and good Arab coffee and have a great time. Sometimes I feel like we play in the football league for two different teams. Let's realize it's just like sports. Sometimes its not just about winners and losers.. After all we are cousins. Eventually we show them all how Arabs and Jews can live like brothers.. When peace will come we will open all borders and walls and be free to travel everywhere together. We also are going to be proud to have so many Arab cousins who love us and wont us to stay here in the Middle East to live in peace. Today it’s not easy. We need lots of patience and good will. We also need to change some disc in our brain and try different solutions. I assure you we Jews love peace, we don’t hate you Arabs. We have a small piece of land, we don’t have any other. Let’s share it. We agree to share our land with you, land you can call yours too. Peace will come soon, inshallah. Good luck, be strong. P.S. Sorry Zahva, I didn't know juju is you...but I was funny, wasn't I?
85. iam evry one
palastinian ,   palastin   (04.17.06)
ron ..i am evry palastinian and sometimes iam israili and american also ..but sure ihave not shezophrenia ,,,but sure i can fell what other can fell it is honostly not like some other even they sign in the same name i can guiss if he is honest about his posting or not RON sorry i do not feel your honosty in your last posting ..ron i post with many name but sure iam honest in all when iam momo i feel like momo and to your fun i know that you know that iam both juju and zahwa or the one put the two posting know it is posting to the same person and to momo also ..it is not diffecult to you to know that ..the same is to me it is not diffecult to know what you are thinking ..but sure RON iam not sad not yesterday nor today becouse i know there is not only what i see ,and i tell befor i can tolerate any truth
86. More Ron-delusions
LanceThruster ,   LA CA USA   (04.17.06)
Ron- Looks like you can dish it out but not take it. Seems to be analagous to the larger situation. Since no one made you Reichs-Fuhrer of the talkback section, I think I can safely ignore your spew. Thanks for playing though.
87. #85 zahwa, juju, palastin
Ron ,   LA   (04.17.06)
Dear all of the above, sorry, i can not help you anymore. i hope your thinking will lead you somewhere. i also hope there is a reason you are here at this talkback, other than to complain and whine. sometimes misery is of our own making.... have a good day. Ron
88. #86, re-read #82, pay attention to the ending.
Ron ,   LA   (04.17.06)
89. Ron-delusions III - this time it's personal!
LanceThruster ,   LA CA USA   (04.18.06)
Ron - It is clear you do not understand much so I'll try to make this as clear as possible for you. This is a comments section. People comment. You can respond, or you can ignore. But you can't enforce your demands that anyone follow your orders. Why don't you try building a "security fence" bewteen your eyes and ears and your brain? Though I doubt it would even be worth the effort since not much seems to be reaching it anyway. Your delusions extend to your claims of omniscience (as in "nobody in this forum is interested..." as if you have been designated to speak for the forum). As to "throwing rocks," the best rule of thumb is "If you don't want no sh*t, don't start no sh*t." You are a laughable fool, except that it is more sad than funny that your mindset is so common. All heat and no light . All hatred and no wisdom. All ego and no humility. All bark and no bite.
90. reply to #89
sk ,   USA   (04.18.06)
Actually, LT, your opinions are utterly generic, being derived from the usual pro-Pal sources with no added value from your intellect. You write better than many, but you have nothing to new to say. For example, consider this wonderful concatenation of cliches: "Israel, an occupying force, kills the innocent, and it will always be justified. The Palestinians kill the occupiers, and it is always terrorism." 1) Israel as occupier. Cliche. Also false: as there is no state of Palestine, there can be no occupation. Indeed, the Mandate allocated all of the land between the Med. and the Jordan River for a Jewish homeland. However, you don't worry about such things. No, your fierce intellect just stupidly accepts the Arab language. 2) "Kills the innocent." Cliche & mostly false. Israel focuses on killing terrorists and their accomplices. Some moppets are killed. Lots more suicide bombers on their way to a job are killed though. And master terrorists like Yassin are also killed. (Or is Yassin an innocent?) In fact, if Israel were doing its job and protecting its own civilians, many more "innocents" would be killed because they are used as human shields to protect the biggies. Why am bothering? As I said, you are just generic.
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