Opinion  Ray Hanania
From morons to moderation
Ray Hanania
Published: 18.04.06, 08:44
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61. SHARON WILL FALL BY RAY HANANIA AMAZING (1)
Ron ,   LA   (04.19.06)
Here is an earlier article by Hanania in which he calls the Israeli Army and leaders "Nazi-like" and looks forward to "correcting the original injustice of 1948 and restoring Palestinian control over all of Palestine," in other words, to the destruction of Israel. "Sharon will fail" by Ray Hanania Daily Star, Lebanon, April 6, 2002 Nazi-like Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon believes he is taking the Palestinian people to the brink of destruction, but he doesn't realize that the brink of disaster is not for the Palestinians, but Israel itself. Sharon is single-handedly doing what the Arabs have failed to do themselves, forcing them to unite and to abandon their past policies of coddling Israel's intractable refusal to compromise. In the past, the Palestinians and the Arabs have accepted Israel's near-maximum demands as pre-conditions to start negotiations. So, the discussions have always only focused on returning "most of" the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and setting aside the issue of returning "parts" of East Jerusalem until latter negotiation dates. Yet during negotiations, Israel always cleverly backs out, stopping short of giving the Palestinians anything other than a future as a subjugated people. The dream of compromise with Israel is over, today, and it is clear to nearly everyone that Sharon has opened the door to the new possibility of correcting the original injustice of 1948 and restoring Palestinian control over all of Palestine, an action that the pro-Israel American apologists have dubbed as the "destruction" of the state of Israel. This term has been exploited, abused and exaggerated as certainly as Israel's cadre of apologists and have exploited the term anti-Semitism to muddy-up anyone who has dared to speak out against Israel's cowardly brutalization of civilian targets. The changes in the world are subtle, but significant. First, a recent Gallop Poll shows that while most Americans (80 percent) believe that the US must pressure the Palestinians to end the conflict, most Americans, more than 72 percent, also believe that they must pressure Israel, too. Second, the truth of what is happening is getting out to the American public despite one of the most unprofessional blackouts imposed by the anti-Arab American media. The Palestinian and Arab viewpoint is making it to the American people.
62. SHARON WILL FALL BY RAY HAHANIA PART (2)
Ron ,   LA   (04.19.06)
Page (2) Third, the lessons of the first intifada are not lost and we are seeing the results. No matter how hard Israel and its manipulators in the American media try to prevent the world from seeing the truth of Israel's viciousness, it comes out either on TV, the internet or in newspapers. The Israeli Army is guilty of Nazi-like war crimes, including executing in cold blood, Palestinian prisoners it has captured. Several of these executions have been captured on TV. Fourth, the second intifada is working. The world can see the ridiculousness of Christiana Amanpour standing there asking Yasser Arafat, who is besieged in a bunker, if he will do something to stop the violence. More and more Americans have said they were appaled by her display of ignorance, and are now seeing the Palestinian cause as being the victim of Israel's state terrorism. Finally, while President George W. Bush remains in a leadership stupor in the White House, incapable of doing anything, some view his inaction as the cause of the violence. That is true. His failure to lead has given Sharon the green light, dripping with red blood, to murder Palestinians at will. But, the absence of Bush's leadership has one other positive impact. It has left the leaders of the Arab world subject to an intense pressures of their own people, billions of Muslims and Arabs around the world who are demanding that the Arab world and the Muslim world finally severe all ties to the regime of Ariel Sharon. These are events we could never have hoped for. It proves that by standing up to Israel's brutality, and even in the face of losing so many innocent Palestinian lives either to Israeli Army murder or suicide bombings, the Palestinians will defeat Israel. Now is not the time to surrender to Israel and accept compromise. Now is the time to forge ahead and demand even more. Now is the time for all Arab governments to severe all ties with Israel, to isolate Israel again as was done years ago. To return Israel to the situation where it cannot be allowed to think that it can murder innocent Palestinian civilians and find territorial gains.
63. SHARON WILL FALL BY HANANIA PART (3)
Ron ,   LA   (04.19.06)
Page (3) Israel's Nazi-like government must be shown that its policies of murder and executions and killings will carry a heavy price in future talks, and that all of Jerusalem is now on the table and that all of Palestine is on the table, too. Why shouldn't Palestinian refugees be allowed to return to their homes and lands stolen from them in 1948? The Jewish people waited 2,000 years to get back what they asserted was theirs. The Palestinians can wait too. Why be in such a rush to give away our rights? Time does not erase the crime. And where once many Arabs were willing to compromise and give in to Israel's demands, much of that willingness is now gone forever. Many Palestinians are chanting today: "Thank you Ariel Sharon for opening the door to our victory!" In the face of Sharon's vicious campaign, many Palestinians can see victory!
64. #60. Got him! Hanania uncovered once and for all.
Tal ,   Israel   (04.19.06)
Hanania talks out of both sides of his mouth. take a look here http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3234104,00.html #1 So in the Daily Star he talks about Jerusalem being on the table yet could not answer the above question. (wonder why ; -) He has no sincerity except to blindly espouse lies and bulls**t.
65. Alex
tony ,   PARIS   (04.19.06)
What you Palestinians are experiencing is not the occupation by Israel,or as you say "Military rule";you are experiencing,dictatorship,and arrogance,by your newly elected "democraticly elected" government.The Israelis left Gaza,so that Peace can be made,Have you any Idea what this ment to the Israelis,to leave Gaza,???You saw what it did to them when they were forced to leave,but they did leave and what have the Palestinians done in return??you voted for the only party,that refuses the right of existence of the state of Israel.The Hamas,is Like the Iranian,Ideology;The complete destruction of Israel..Your Terror factions,continually fire rockets into Israel,Do you expect the Israelis,to just sit back and take it??and when they do replique,you say its "AGRESSION" because you are under occupation..;The Fact that the Israelis left Gaza,is that not "GOOD INITIATIVE" as you say,what have you given to the Israelis as "GOOD INITIATIVE,,?????They are willing to leave the west bank,but you still Agress them,under pretext that you are under Occupation..Why did you elect the Hamas??,Because there was corruption in the Fatah??So now that the Hamas are your Leaders,I can only suggest you ,DEMAND,that they deliver the GOODS,because,not until the Hamas recognizes,The right for Israel to exist,will you have peace,and unfortunately the Palestinian people will suffer more than the Israelis.So as you say,you have many Israeli friends,whom you respect,maybe there should be more of that mutual respect ,in order to change the Mantality of the Hamas..Look whats happening now,you are lacking funds,and who is comming to your rescue?,IRAN,Will that money really be used to improve your daily lives,or ,will it be used for "OTHER " purposes..And will the Iranians not ask for more later on???,I can only say this,in all honnesty,"DO NOT SELL YOUR SOULS TO THE DEVIL.For that is what they are intending for you..A future Islamique state .IS THAT WHAT YOU PALESTINIANS REALLY WANT?
66.  #60 BINGO!
Ahmad Yassin ,   Hell, Ham-ass-tan   (04.19.06)
67. #65 Tony: I agree with some ..but????
Alex ,   West Bank   (04.19.06)
I am not defending hamas, but in Moscow, Hamas delegate announced that they agree to U.N. resolutions # 242 & 338. I think accepting these 2 resolutions does not declare the "destruction of Israel" by Hamas as you suggested. Also Hamas was only elected 2 months ago and they have been in the government for less than 20 days. So wouldn't you call the era before the election occupation & military rule? Tony, there has to be brave leaders from both sides to see pass this gloom of anger & hate. We are all humans and it is our destiny to be in this part of the world. We had to choice but to hopefully enjoy peace or regretfully continue going down this crazy path.
68. Responsiblities of a democractic election
Susan ,   Philadelphia, USA   (04.19.06)
Ray, when Austria elected a far-right leader. US and European nations refused to meet with him. Citizens of a democracy bear responsibility for their vote.. The Palestinians should not be immune from the consequences of their vote. They knew what would happen if the voted for Hamas.
69. #20 you are right
Susan ,   Philadelphia, USA   (04.19.06)
Hamas is an organization with a Nazi-like hatred of all Jews everywhere. Their goal is an Islamic state that is Judenrein or where Jews live in a permanent dhimmi status.
70. Yes, I wrote that in April 2002
Ray Hanania ,   Chicago, IL USA   (04.19.06)
Yes, I wrote that the Palestinians, who were being battered and bashed by Israel in April 2002 that should stand up to the occupation and fight ... AND, I also compared Sharon's government to the NAZIS ... AND I ALSO APOLOGIZED FOR THAT IN A PUBLIC COLUMN THAT IS STILL ON MY WEB PAGE -- it was wrong to trivialize the Holocaust and the Nazis in a political debate about Sharon, who to most palestinians was and is considered a terrorist. But, of course, what "Ron" and others won't remind us about is the ugly hatred the spew about Palestinians. Nor do they EVER apologize for anything. Nor do people like that EVER acknowledge that they have done wrong. the fact is this: There isn't ONE PALESTINIAN NOR IS THERE ONE ISRAELI who hasn't said something in this long, heated hateful battle that they don't regret. YES ... I REGRET THAT COLUMN AND HAVE ADMITTED IT PUBLICLY. But, to fixate on that and ignore ALL THAT I HAVE WRITTEN AGAINST SUICIDE BOMBINGS, anti-Semitism, Holocaust revisionism and standing firm in accepting the two-state solution is, in my view, true hatred in its most venemous form. The column was published publicly. The fact is that comparing anyone to the Nazis is WRONG, and even though I succumbed to my emotions because my family lived in the besieged Bethlehem at the worst possible time. So people like "Ron" think it's okay to bash everyone who ever said one thing they didn't like. I think it tells you what the real problem is here. Some people never want to forgive anyway, and worse, they never want to acknowledge they did or said something wrong. I'm not ashamed to say I wrote and said something wrong. What about the rest of you? Ray Hanania www.hanania.com
71. any respone to the other comments,ray?
michael ,   israel   (04.19.06)
72. Try the following:
Muhammad ,   Montreal   (04.19.06)
http://www.gush-shalom.org/
73. the talkback here
ks ,   us   (04.19.06)
is disappointing. why do all you people feel that you must defend yourselves so vehemently? what are you trying to prove with elementary comments like, "how many times did you get dropped on your head?" if you are so intent on proving your way is the only way to go, give us some facts. im not from this area, and it would be nice to see something intelligent that you people should know about eachother. (pa/is)
74. What else did you write about Hanania ?
Caligula's Horse ,   Solomon's Stables   (04.19.06)
Did you write about the Israelis who were being "battered and bashed" by Palestinians in the four months before that? Did you write about the 500 Israeli civilians massacred by Palestinians? Why do I have the feeling you didnt? Happy Mimuna.
75. The Arab phony "Palestinians" are the root of all violence.
Daisy ,   USA   (04.19.06)
Arab culture is filled with hate and violence and nothing Israel does will change that. Arabs have to change their culture and religion for there to be peace in the Middle East and In Israel.
76. Oh Ray, they do give you some stick, dont they?
Joy Springreen   (04.20.06)
well. The gahndi theory is a good one and it worked for him and India. So there is a chance that this can all get resolved peacefully. But i think what needs to be on the table is a bigger econic plan and structure for the smaller interlocked economies like Lebanon, Israel and the emerging PA.
77. My opinion of SHARON WILL FALL
Lois D. ,   Baltimore, Md.   (04.20.06)
That was one of the most decent articles Ray ever wrote that pretty much summed up everything . Too bad he has to apologize for the truth and because he feels like he trivialized the Holocaust, although he does a damn good job of trivializing Palestinian suffering under a racist Israel.
78. Hatred
Sarah ,   Chgo., IL   (04.20.06)
Obviously, no one hears the need for civil discourse on important issues and hope for peace in each and every column. I have been reading the comments to Mr. Hanania's columns since he started on Ynet. It is so profoundly sad and disheartening. Are the negative commentators aware of how "moronic" they are? I would never allow my child to think, speak or write what some consider comments. Most all of these comments are vile rants of hate. There are no excuses in a forum such as this for such uncivilized behavior. More power to Mr. Hanania and thank you Ynet for continuing to publish him amid all of this hatemongering. He is a much- needed wake-up call for the HOPE of peace--that's right just hope because peace seems very far off when you read the talk back comments. Until people see the evil of their ways, there will be no peace. That goes for both sides--that's what I understand from Mr. Hanania's columns.
79. Ray , what are we going to do with you?
David Joseph ,   Orlando, Florida   (04.20.06)
Any Man that says he is Christian and denies that the Jewish people have a right to the land of Yisrael is a fool. You dare conspire and raise traps for the Jewish people collaborating with Yisrael’s enemies. You are also spreading confusion and hatred within the church. I believe what you have done is not only a sin, but an abomination and is far worse than what any suicide bomber could do. Ray, I wouldn’t want to be you on the day of Judgement.
80. Ray thank you for this great article
Ahmed ,   Ejerusalem Palestine   (04.20.06)
And you can see that by seeing all the non moderates react to it. So thank you
81. You're heading in the wrong direction with this blog
Yehuda ,   USA   (04.20.06)
Ray, your emotions got the better of you in this article. It sends the wrong message if you truly support a fair and just two state solution. Non-violence is the best way to deal with any conflict. Israel is a democracy and Israelis will not support a government that reacts violently to non-violent attacks. But that’s not the realty of today. In my opinion, non-violence is not in mainstream Arab thinking. Arabs have been ruled through intimidation for ages; even today most of their regimes are tyrannies (imperial or dictatorships). Tyrannies have to use force and intimidation otherwise they collapse. Living through generations of tyrannies evolves many into using intimidation and violent means to get ones ways. Culturally, many Arabs aspire to being individual heroes, knights, jahids. Non-violence requires cultural changes. Palestinians love to say that Israel created Hammas. The fact is that Palestinians created Hammas and they elected them to rule. You don't convert so many "secular" people into religious fanatics. Monolithic Islamic rule is a dream for many Muslims. There are religious Zionists who think the same way, but Israel shifted the balance of power to block their policies – and if they get out of hand we ban there extremist parties. If you truly support a fair and just 2 state solution you should not condone Hammas when they do not recognizing Israel – its against your belief right? Israelis have recognized Palestinian rights to Gaza and much of West Bank unilaterally. The rest is based on a permanent, secure and lasting peace. Those who feed violence are morons, but those who do not react to targeted civilian murder are bigger morons. Targeted civilians killings are planned and managed by the same mass murderers every time. If you let mass murderers feed their perverted need to feel control then you exacerbate the illness and invite more tragedy. The Palestinians need to distance themselves from these criminals and not shelter them. Its awful when innocent Palestinians die during raids, but if the murderers are not dealt with then they will strike again. The only good solution to this problem is to stop the murder – then the raids will have to stop. Next time you write your opinion be assumptive and believe that Hammas & Co (and the Israeli right) are going to read and care about what Ray has to say. Don’t condone any behavior and policies you do not agree with – that’s what will keep you moderate. Its tough to be a moderate and in this column you cracked.
82. Guys, what about some appreciation
Dana ,   Israel   (04.20.06)
to someone that is capable of changing his mind? It's a rare quality in this world...
83. Dana, I really appreciate you idea, it is rare.
Ron ,   LA   (04.20.06)
84. Great thinking, Yehuda, but...
Ron ,   LA   (04.20.06)
Yehuda, you say: "Those who feed violence are morons, but those who do not react to targeted civilian murder are bigger morons. Targeted civilians killings are planned and managed by the same mass murderers every time" Agree. If you examine Ray's article closely, you come to conclusion, he SUPPORT SUICIDE BOMBINGS. Ray sez: "It proves that by standing up to Israel's brutality, and even in the face of losing so many innocent Palestinian lives either to Israeli Army murder or suicide bombings, the Palestinians will defeat Israel. " Basicly what he is saying, we gonna fight Israel with all our means, including suicide bombers and defeat Israel. Also see this "Thank you Ariel Sharon for opening the door to our victory!" and this: "In the face of Sharon's vicious campaign, many Palestinians can see victory! " To me it looks like the guy wants victory and if they use suicide bombers, so be it. Yehuda, what's your take? Pay attention he uses words like defeat, victory and such. Don't you think we can trust his intentions? Remember our experiense last time... http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Area=conflict&ID=SP23601
85. Dear Editor Am i being sensored?
Ron ,   LA   (04.20.06)
Dear Editor, I posted twice my reply to Ray who stated that I hate him. Frankly I don't. I would like to reply to his post # 70. For some reason you didn't post this reply. On the other hand you posted my other reply, which I posted later. I assume I am being censored. Hopefully not. Since I my response is true to your guidelines, I would like you do me a favor and pass it over to your supervisor for re-evaluation. If possible, please post this massage, on your talkback, so your readers at least see, I made an effort to respond to Ray accusations. I respectfully ask you to post my messages. I talked to Zack, who said, there is a possibility you did not get it Please Email me if I need to change something in my response in order to be published. Thanks and Happy Holydays. P.S. Please post this only if there is a problem with the original. I will try also to talk to Alan about it. Thanks. P.S. the message was #70 Response to Hanania or Letter to Hanania
86. Do they really sensor you?
Musa ,   Sderot   (04.20.06)
87. Looks like the protect him from harms ways...
Mohammed Rabinovitch ,   Mecca/ Zio Entity   (04.20.06)
They don't want to be accused of discriminating Arabs. Imagine what they will say in Europe... They already say there is no free press in Israel...Well I guess it is not like it used to be. Even Al Jesira getting better. They are much better in terms of free speech . Sometimes even better than Israel. .Well, I better be careful, othervice they will sensor me too...
88. He has a right for Affirmative Action if he is Arab?
George ,   Boston   (04.20.06)
Yes, they have to hire him, it's exactly like America, you get a job, because you are black. You have to have balance even if you are not so good.
89. He probably called to complain and whine.. what else to do?
Musa ,   Sderot   (04.20.06)
Complaining is easy, but to be writer id not. Thanks G-d there is Affirmative Actions in Israel.
90. Ray is an Agent Provocateur
Jenny ,   NYC   (04.20.06)
YNET, why are you censoring again? Because you know it's true?
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