Opinion  Others
It's all our fault?
Orna Shimoni
Published: 18.07.06, 08:21
Comment Comment
Print comment Print comment
Back to article
85 Talkbacks for this article
31. to Gado
Mohammad Bazz ,   amman - Jordan   (07.18.06)
hi, with minds like yours we can't go 1 cm towards piece . if u need piece you should sucrifice . and belive me it will be hard for both sides in the begening , but after we clear all the mistakes we both done in the past the future for our children which we are fighting for will be great . think in the big picture , leave the small box of thinking that u push your self in. killing and war will make hatness from both sides and this will move generation after generation and at the end belive , belive me we will win . so waht i mention in my points is a great deal in this time to end the war . and after piece come all countries will be open and we all will live in piece. i am not dreaming but i think we all should think in this way to get our only goal which is pice
32. orna
lawrence ,   zefat   (07.18.06)
enough of your nonsense we are in bomb shelters because of people like you
33. to Orna
Natcho ,   ITaly   (07.18.06)
with all your good intensions I agree reality doesn't--If you want peace become a Muslim like the rest of the world that wants peace will have to become Muslim or taste the sword of Muhamad (the messenger of God!!)) if you want to stay free- you have to fight the militants who control and set the tone for the masses of Muslims or perish. Not much choice unfortunately. you cannot concede to their insatiable appetite of power and control since they have "THE ANSWER". Israel has to survive unfortunately on its "sword" but at least it is not completely at the mecy of others like during the Holocaust ( the allies didn't bomb the rails leading to the death camps but did pulverise Dresden and they knew already what was being done) at least Israel can hit back now as a people and not strech out the necks to the cosack swords so they satisfy the blood thirst and leave the babies alone and maybe the shave headed women as well.
34. YOU ARE JUST HELPING HEZBULLAH
JOSEPH ,   BEIRUT / LEBANON   (07.18.06)
I write from Beirut, from a city who refuse to die, I don't know what to say while seeing this real image Israel is showing and the hate they have for this country and not only to Hezbullah. Let me use my friend's words and remind you of these facts ... - Hezbollah is a widely shiite party whose popularity originates from its "jihadist" nature and not really due to it political stand out today. - The timing of the strikes of the so called "IDF" was the most "foolish" act, while the whole coutry was against Hezbollah and asking this party to drop down his weapons and deliver it to the Government, It preceded the conclusion of the Lebanese Dialogue process that strated to put Hizbollah in a cornered situation because some lebanese parties were aiming to finish Hizbollah politically and thanks to the Israeli strikes , it created a getaway for Nasrallah. - the harsh strikes of the Israeli forces that hit -as usual- the civilians simply rallyed many Lebanese behind Nasrallah and made him a hero outside Lebanon at the eyes of the Arabs and in the same time weakened the position of all the "moderate" leaders. In spite of all the attacks of the airplanes, still Hizbollah is succeeding to continue his resistance against Israel. IDF assumed that the structure and organizing capabilites of Hizbollah would fall apart. This did not happen., and will not happen because hezbullah has no location neither one address. - Economy can and will be restored and all tourists and Lebanese have left with bitter feelings , not against Hizbollah, but definitely against Israel. So even for the moderate arabs , you are just showing them what hizbollah has tried to convince them ages ago. Israel fell in the trap of Hezbullah and now Israel did and you're doing the dirty work for iran and Syria, and managed to give more and more reasons for Hezbullah to stand against all the Lebanese with a clear reason why they wan to keep their Missiles. Stop bombing bridges and airports and infrastructure, these are not for Hezbullah these are for the Lebanese people. Jo, …. A Christian Lebanese … if it means anything to You….
35. Yes! Yes it is your fault!
Your Uncle Bob ,   Washington, DC   (07.18.06)
You and your fellow weak-kneed nancy boys with no guts, no pride and no courage are largely to blame for the current situation and the deaths of hundreds of Israelis and Lebanese. Yes, it is your fault! It's a shame that the terrorists are having to kill innocent Israelis. Much better if they had targeted you and your ilk. You are the guilty ones. You are the ones with blood on your hands. You are the ones who deserve to pay the price. You are the ones who deserve the death that they are dealing out in the North.
36. 31, Mohammad
michal ,   US   (07.18.06)
Mohammad, you say "if u need piece [sic!] you should sucrifice." WHY? How about, "if you Arabs, who are vastly weaker than we Jews and who pick fights and then lose them, do not want to be killed, you need to sacrifice"? How about, "if you Arabs don't lay down your weapons NOW we will expand Greater Israel to its full Biblical proportions and take our land back in "Syria" and "Jordan"? How about, "we will lob 100 missiles - not precision guided - for every missile you lob at us? We will destroy your cafes and your homes, your schools and your army bases?" Arabs haven't won a war against a Western army since, what, 1300 A.D.? It is time for them to stop making demands; they will be peaceable or they will be dead.
37. #28 "One State Solution"
Kyle ,   Southpark, CO, USA   (07.18.06)
Arabs already have 22 states, where non-Muslims live as dhimmi and where it is a death penalty crime even to sell land to a Jew. How is that not racist? You do not deserve to have yet another state in addition to the 22 you already have, and certainly not the one only state of the Jews.
38. Stupid woman, everything built in those 6 years is destroyed
AK   (07.18.06)
and more. 6 years ago Haifa was safe, and so was Safed, and Tiberias and Naharya. And the people who wouldn't have died otherwise are dying today, and it's just the beginning. Stupid, stupid woman, yes, your son is out of the Army, but tomorrow his house can go up with the smoke on Iranian missle smack in the middle of Tel Aviv, with his children in. Israel has taken some blows, you say? Tell this to those children dead and wounded by the rockets brought into the area in the last 6 years. 30% of inhabitants of Haifa and 80% of Naharya have fled their homes, you stupid cow. ‘Some blows’ indeed; I don’t think Israel has taken blows like that since 1948. You worry about the soldier’s welfare? Just dissolve the Army and surrender, then no soldiers will die, just the civilians.
39.  I am ashamed that you used the name Four Mothers
Esther ,   Jerusalem   (07.18.06)
As woman, as feminist, I am ashamed that you used the name Four Mothers. This is a "Baichiani" name. Why to use the feminin for your nihilist ideas? The name of your organization should not be related with women, your nihilist way of thinking is also on some men brains, so please don't stain the feminist fight against manipulation of the woman role in Society.
40. Real losses
Francois ,   Paris & Montréal   (07.18.06)
Mrs Shimoni is not providing the real picture. Some lives may have been saved because of South Lebanon withdrawal, however, how many people are dying nowaday because of this withadrawal? How many Israeli soldiers will have to die to cancel the monstruous consequences of this withdrawal? The balance is against Mrs Shimoni. The balance for Oslo Piss Process is even worse, more than 1000 people died because of this utopia even if some soldiers lives were saved. Here is the global balance and the real price of Zeropean post-Modern utopias.
41. Yes Orna, it is your fault
Dana ,   Montreal, Canada   (07.18.06)
You will have to live with the responsibility for the deaths and injuries of numerous Israeli citizens and for bringing Israel to war. Enjoy!
42. #1 You must be incredibly stupid to make your statement
AK   (07.18.06)
considering that Israel occupies less than 2/5 of the original Palestinian Mandate, and that includes Judea and Samaria and Gaza . Check the maps of the Palestinian Mandate; they are not secret and readily available on line. Second: the Arabs had waged two wars against Israel when Israel didn't occupied Gaza, Golan of Judea and Samaria. Those territories were in Jordanian, Egyptian and Syrian hands and so called Palestinians didn’t demand independence from them, to the contrary, read their Charter, they clearly stated that those are the very territories they don’t want for their state – instead they wanted Haifa and Tel Aviv. During the years prior to 1967 war, Israeli civilians were being routinely attacked from Egypt, Jordan (occupying more than 3/5 of Palestinian Mandate and shelled from Golan Heights so there is no reason to believe that territorial concessions wouldn’t lead to more war, rather than less. Israel has already left Gaza. There is no reason moral, legal or otherwise why israel should relinquish his most holy sites, to foreign squaters. And the reason why Egypt is not officially at war with Israel is not that they value a peaceful coexistence with Israel so much (see their anti-Semitic television programs) but rather that they prefer a war by terrorist proxies, in stead. Why don't you read 'From Time Immemorial' by Joan Peters? This book should be a required reading by everyone.
43. She is directrly responsible
Illia ,   Israel   (07.18.06)
She and her friends are directly responsible for death of 1500 Jews. How come 1500? Very simple. The run from Gaza brought this War. And the run from Lebanon brought the death of 1500 Jews in all other places. If we leave Haifa now, the Arabs will bomb Be'er Sheva next (not Hadera). Everything is related.
44. Four Mothers are Leftist Defeatists who were proved wrong
Tal ,   Haifa   (07.18.06)
45. Not so much 4 mothers as 4 Leftist Degenerates
Olga   (07.18.06)
46. To Mohammad
Robert Tilden ,   Sheridan, WY, USA   (07.18.06)
I ask the same question and the answer is Israel offered all of that in 2000 and Arafat rejected it. Thank your leadership. Thank the Palestinian people for electing Hamas? Hamas is not for a two state solution, Mohammad. Your accusations should be directed at the Palestinians, Hizballah, not to Israel
47. Yes Orna Shimoni you are guilty
Yisraeli   (07.18.06)
The full blame cannot be laid on you but you bare much responsibility and definately have blood on your hands. The other guilty parties are the Governments that followed your example. You hide behind what you say is but we had 6 years of peace. In case you may have forgotten during that so called 6 years of peace many hundreds if not over a thousand were being blown up in buses, cafes, discos etc. etc. Why do you think that the so called 2nd intifada has been so bloody with so many Jewish deaths? Because with your encouragement they the arabs saw themselves as winning. They didnt say Israel voluntarily left Sth. Lebenon of theyre own accord but they say Israel was driven out by the 'mighty' hizbollah. So after seeing that they were emboldened and encouraged to go even harder and for that YES you have responsibility in that, you are culpable along with all the others standing with you. You without realising were complicit with our enemies, you without realising worked for Hizbollah and now you will have to live with that. I am pleased you had the 'chutzpah' to come here and try to tell us otherwise because I wrote an email to your organisations webpage.....and it came back undelivered. So now at least I had the opportunity to address you. If you want any semblence of salvation for your deeds go JOIN Woman of GREEN with an apology to Am Yisrael and now you will dedicate your life in working to strengthen Am Yisrael B'Eretz Yisrael hoping thereby in making some tshuvah for having weakened Eretz Yisrael, this is the only path left open to you, but will you have the fortitude in taking that road? Most lefties cant bring themselves to admit they were wrong. The choice is yours as it has always been.
48. No provocation?!!!!
Captain London ,   London, UK   (07.18.06)
What do you call the Israeli daily flights over Lebanon???? Does that trigger a word in your mind? Provocation for example? What do you call the Lebanese hostages in Israel? How does keeping these few men serve Israel? What do you call Israeli occupation of Shebaa farms and bluntly refusing to even talk about it? Boldness? Provocation? You seem a moderate and peaceful woman and that is why I am writing this because you overlooked some important facts. Israel is provoking Lebanon every day.
49. sher. let's negotiate, what do you offer?
AK   (07.18.06)
Iran and Hizbollah have clearly stated their position -- Israel is and infection that must be eradicated off the face of the map. All right, what do you offer on behalf of Israel? All right, you offer Shaba Farms, Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem and then what? Reach your 'collective memory,' the demands haven't started after 1967. You haven't had exactly peace before 1967, has you. what was it that Arabs were demanding in '66 and '67, that culminated in the '67 war? Pray, remind us all.
50. When u always do the same thing u always get the same result
Pesach N ,   Montreal Canada   (07.18.06)
No International force, no Lebanese troops can keep the peace in Southern Lebanon - only the IDF and the IAF. Israel must decimate all the structures between the Lebanese border and the Litani River and allow no civilians to live there. Patrolling this buffer zone will then be greatly simplified. Whenever anything moves, that cannot immediately be recognized, it will be assumed to be the enemy and will of neccessity be destroyed. This will save the lives of Israelis and Lebanese. Then will the enemies of the State begin to appreciate that we really mean it. Anything less is folly.
51. To #49
Yidith ,   Toronto   (07.18.06)
Nice try but unfortunitely I doubt this woman is capable of rational - logical analyses; 1+1 doesn't seem to add up to 2 or even 11 in her mind. I doubt we will ever be able to pierce the pink fogg leftists like Orna live in; best to ignore them completely.... and most importantly; let's make sure they never ever get to dominate Israeli policies ever again!
52. #31 Freudian Slip
Yidith ,   Toronto   (07.18.06)
Yup that post of yours descibes exactely what the Arabs really want; pieces... lots and lots of pieces of Israel until there's no Jewish homeland left. Pieces not peace; don'tcha just love those Freudian slips?
53. Say you are very sorry
Alex ,   LA, USA   (07.18.06)
Bocause of you many people are dead. Say you will never do it again. People are forgiving. Otherwise people will always compare you to Nassrallah or Arafat.
54. 4 mothers
hf ,   usa   (07.19.06)
gee thanks...you have saved a few for your selfishness...and now hundreds of thousands are under attack and out of their homes..typical self rightous liberal thinking..and still you do not learn. it is a ghetto mentality. a euro jewish mentality that cost six million..and how many more...and sad you never learn...even today....no offense..maybe a hole for your head would be a good idea.and you can think you are safe..
55. I love you, Orna! U go girl
Cindy Sheehan ,   Jetsetting somewhere   (07.18.06)
Oh my god, you are my inspiration orna. Do u want to join my rolling hunger strike? Vanilla ice cream and all the jamba juice smoothies u want!
56. Yes, it's YOUR fault Orna
Sarit   (07.19.06)
When will you admit it and take responsibility? The blood being spilled is b/c or your horrible propaganda campaign. Stop being a child and take responsibility for your foolish actions.
57. to Pesach I hope Olmert read tour answer
Natcho ,   Italy   (07.19.06)
That would be a great answer and a warning!!! should be done in Gaza as well
58. Four Mothers and the crazies.
N Carroll ,   London, England   (07.19.06)
Well, this article has really brought out the bigots, the crazies and the lets kill them all brigade. Could it be possible that these women have a point? Is it possible to criticise Israel without hate being poured on the critic? What an awful country you have become. I wonder how much better the situation might be if women were in charge, on both sides, and there were not these giant egos in the way. N C (male )
59. What "international support"?
Aagua ,   Canada   (07.19.06)
If you think fewer Israelis would be killed if Israel stops bombing Lebanon, fair enough -- stop bombing. If you think there is anything Israel can do to gain international support, other than fall over and die, you are deluded.
60. #58 NC
Manfred   (07.19.06)
You're a little early, Sweetie -- gay pride is NEXT month...
Previous talkbacks
Next talkbacks
Back to article