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Olmert: Send us ‘real soldiers, not pensioners’
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Published: 03.08.06, 09:54
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61. Big Trouble ahead
Jimbo ,   Vancouver   (08.03.06)
I think that the arrogant Israelis may have sealed their future for any kind of peace for the Arab lands that they occupy. The Israelis are just a bunch of criminal terrorists to a degree much higher than the US and Israel think of the Hezzbolah. The backlash at the US, Britain and Israel is probably going to be fierce! And I think it will be just, in response to all the killings that they have done in Lebanon with the help of the US!
62. Israel will never have a lasting peace
David ,   Calgary Canada   (08.03.06)
Let’s not forget that Israel or Palestine was simply handed over to the Zionists after ww1 through the Balfour Declaration of 1917. This after Britain with help of the Arabs (who were promised the land also) forced out the German allied Ottoman Turks. That’s the thanks the Arabs got. Floods of Jewish who took their land and settled it for them selves. Their main claim to the land being that “God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham”. Give me a f**king break.
63. #21
jason ,   usa   (08.03.06)
hamas killed 500 israelis and wounded about 1000 hezbollah killed 800 israelis wounded about 1500 give me a break arab countrys are taught anti-semitic you are taught that jews are targets if you want the IDF to stop attacking then STOP YOUR DRITY THREATS and stop firing rockets and accept a jewish state you want to know what a GENOCIDE is like? when everyone around you wants to kill you what do you expect from people LIKE you who are taught that israelis must go? israel will be more happy to have peace the only problem is that hamas - wants war hezbollah - wants war if israel never defended its self there would be no israel
64. #61.. let me tell you somthing
jason ,   usa   (08.03.06)
when your country is under threat when your country gets hit 1st by someone that was oppose to be DISARMED when your country get hit by rockets by people wanting to kill you ..no matter who you are when your country is being attack by extremist that want to kill you and take over your country and lasting peace deals are not on the table what should YOU do? let them take over and say good bye to israel? beacuse thats what your talking about
65. To 62
Shai ,   Israel   (08.03.06)
David, I don't know where you get your history but it is skewed. Prior to WWI Palestine consisted of both sides of the Jordan River. The east side, Transjordan, became the "Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan" in 1922 as a reward for the Arab contribution to Britain during WWI. The west side, which I estimate is about a fifth of the total of what was Palestine, was understood from British promises to be a Jewish state, but even this, due to Arab discontent with anything being given to the Jews for a state at all, was to be split further between Jewish (55% of the west side of the Jordan) and Arab parts (45%) under the UN's proposal that resulted from the end of the British Mandate. Do the math - 20% x 55% = 11% of the totality of pre-WWI Palestine was put into the hands of the Jews, and even this was TOO MUCH for the Arabs, who were too stingy to allow the Jews to have even 11% of the "homeland" promised in the Balfour Declaration. I'll also add that the Jews also contributed handily to the British defeat of the Turkish, or at least 11% as much as the Arabs did, so why should it bother you that Jews believe "G-d promised..." if by the same terms you apply to the Arabs, they are entitled to it anyway? Give me a f**king break.
66. response to 65
David ,   Calgary Canada   (08.03.06)
The fact of the matter is that whether it be 100% 50% or 11% of land of the former Palestine, it still was not land to be simply given away by the British Government because of the influence of Zionist lobby man Mr Chaim Weizmann with in the upper echelons of British Parliament . The real injustice here stems form The Balfour Declaration itself which involved a promise by an imperial power to establish a national home for a minority in a country that had a population which was not recognized in that declaration... The existing non-Jewish populations were the 92 percent majority of the country. Their national and political rights were ignored in a declaration which promised national and political rights to the Jewish people.
67. 'Doing' Iran
Chuck ,   Vancouver   (08.04.06)
How does one 'do' a country? I think what you are trying to say is 'bomb' the country using a nuclear weapon. Why are you afraid to say what you really want? Secondly, 'get it over with'? What is this 'it'? The anxiety that YOU feel towards a hostile world. Your answer towards hostility in the world that makes you feel anxious is to destroy millions of lives. What a terrible price to be paid for your anxiety. Do not you think that your desires will not set in motion even more hostility and in fact, make you even more anxious?
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Shai ,   Israel   (08.04.06)
David, you haven't read the Balfour Declaration. Also, you are mistaken in calling the Palestine Mandate a "country". It was not. It was a mandate over land taken from the Ottoman Empire, and even under the Ottomans it wasn't a country, but rather part of the Syrian region of governance. The Balfour Declaration calls for a "Jewish Homeland" in Palestine and says that this is to be understood in a way as to not exclude the non-Jewish populations living there already. Contrary to your claim, the Arab, Circassian and Armenian populations WERE recognized in that declaration. The British concept was that the various populations would co-exist. The Arabs had a different idea entirely, and they rioted and caused mayhem to achieve their vision of an Arab state without Jews. As far as "national and political rights", beyond what the Balfour Declaration, which offered Arabs a co-existant entity within a Jewish Homeland, where does that "right" that you speak of come from? There are criteria for self-determination that determine when a groups identity passes the threshhold of having become a nation, and the Palestinian Arabs did not pass that threshhold at the time. It had no separate language, it had no specific Palestinian cultural institutions, it had no capital or king or other government institutions other than those established for them by the Ottoman or British, they hadn't even a separate culinary tradition. They were, in all respects, indistinguishable from other Arabs in the region. See the Montivideo Conference for more information. So why SHOULD they have had a separete Palestinians state? Moreover, at the time, nobody was asking for one - just that it be a continuation of Syria, with no Jewish state to interfere. These criteria were met only for the first time after the Oslo agreements that formed the PA. The Jews, on the other hand, HAD met these criteria at the time of the Balfour Declaration. Your grasp of history is "bumper sticker quality" David. You need to look into this much more deeply.
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David ,   Calgary Canada   (08.05.06)
Shai, Please excuse me for my choice of words when describing the British controlled mandate of Palestine as a country, I am aware of the history of this place from the time of the Canaanites to present so I know about the populations of the region and am aware of a Jewish presence there before and now. My sympathies with the Arabs stem form the simple fact that the land that is now Israel, (especially before mid 1800s) was primarily inhabited by Arabs (sparely as it may have been). The establishment of a Jewish nation on this land followed by waves and waves of Jewish immigration must have been rather intimidating to the majority native Arabs. However what is particularly unjust about the situation is that the Arabs revolted against the Turks because the British had promised them (in correspondence with Shareef Husein ibn Ali) independence of their countries after the war. Instead the Brits institute the Balfour declaration (with no Arab support) which essentially hands over control of as you put it 11% of the British mandate (even though there was an original Zionist claim of the whole of the British Palestine mandate) to a minority Jewish population. Also Shai, do not judge my grasp of history on a post I write on a 15 min break while at work. Your statement about “bumper sticker quality” probably reveals more about your character rather then my grasp of history. I will not be reading or responding to any more post here, however I would like to encourage all of those who read this to not subscribe to the glut of propaganda there is out there about this conflict on both sides, but rather seek out for themselves unbiased information surrounding this conflict before rushing to judgements. Cheers
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