you're comparing apples to oranges.. how many times do you make fun of Muslims and Muslim leaders?? nobody says anything.. so this is why it's fine if you don't like my beliefs and you don't like mine.. it's ok if you don't believe in my religion but insulting my religion and that of one billion and a half others is not accepted.. should I remind you that Muslims haven't had problems with Jews until after 1948 with the establishment of Israel and after Jews started settling in Palestine while kicking out Palestinians and demolishing their homes.. when Jews were opressed in Europe they were recieving shelter in Muslim countries.. ( they were protected by the Ottoman Empire)..

"I don’t know if the Muslim media publish garbage about Jesus or Moses." you don't know and you never will know because Muslims respect your Prophets.. it is not as simple as making fun of someone who'd been dead 15 centuries ago.. making fun of our prophet is a dirty way of making fun of Muslims alltogether.. quit playing the role of victims.. many Muslims have come out and said clearly that Muslims and Islam do not support those who carry out suicide attacks.. I have said a million times that I hate those guys more than any of you does because they are smearing the name of my religion.. if religion and prophets mean nothing for you then that's not the case for us.. would it be fine for you if someone made fun of your prophet?? (whether you are Christian or Jewish).. if you don't mind whatever is said about your prophet then I don't think you believe in him or like him.. do not tell me a few people knew about them.. it was a paper no one read..and all thsi nonsense I hear from you.. what I know is that they were out in the public and European newspapers made sure to continue publishing them.. and I am sorry to say that this was a very low gesture.. if someone criticised Israel (which is just a country) he would be called anti-semitic and Israel would not hesitate in assassinating him.. is this the double standard "free" world we live in?? I never said it's ok to kill innocent people in the name of allah.. or to attack churches and embassies.. but such stupid remarks or drawings about Islam would give the green light to those who are acting violently to continue.. in every religion there are those who look for a way to justify their filthy acts.. so don't try to associate this with Islam.. weren't Muslims massaccred in Bosnia, Chechnya and elsewhere under the name of Christianity?? aren't Muslims slaughtered an displaced in Palestine under the name of Judaism?? in every religion there are the good ones and the bad ones..

Prior to 1948 Muslims had no problem with Jews? You seem to have conveniently forgotten constant Arab attacks on Jewish settlements within the mandate(legitimately purchased from the Ottomans or Arab landowners, btw) in the first half of the century, with two huge massacres of Jews by Arabs in 1921 and 1929, WAY before 1948. Perhaps you meant that Muslims had no problem with Jews when the killing was almost entirely unidirectional, at the expense of Jews? Another historical innacuracy: Jews kicked out of other countries received only limited shelter from the Ottoman empire because, like many governments at the time, the empire had strigent immigration policies which they harshly (and often violently) imposed against Jews (and, in all fairness, other immigrant groups). Btw, Jews kicked out of certain European countries were also taken in by other European countries (Scandinavia, UK) as well as the US and Canada, to name a few. You also used faulty logic when discussing Jewish reaction to anti-Israeli media and comparing it to Muslim reactions to anti-Muslim media. Perhaps Jews and Israelis decried it as anti-semtic, but no international news stations or embassies were targeted as a result of the spin. Yes, Muslims in Gaza are dying, but you conveniently forget to mention that many are killed while instigating terrorist acts and forget also to mention that Gazans that pose no security risk (any of those living in non-enemy countries such as the US or European nations) were not targeted, nor have mosques in non-enemy nations ever been violently targeted by Jews, even though some of those mosques perpetuate anti-Israel propoganda and incitement. I hope that your selective recounting of history and current events derives merely from ignorance and not from malice.

Persian cahtoosah you seem to be slightly jaded in your views. Muslims saying stupid things about Jews is not simply a "fine point", it is down right racist. If your prophet would tolerate racism then I am truly shocked. If your prophet truly would tolerate racism then I suppose all the "stupid hate filled one-liners" from the Christians and Jews on this site bear some justification. Always using the excuse "we venerate Moses" doesn't hold up. Like I tried to get the point across to Lynne, sh!tting on Moshe's people is insulting what he stood for. Or did you not realize that Moshe brought the Jews out of suffering from ancient Egypt? Was your prophet aware of this fact Persian? I am 100% he was aware. Faraz while prophets and G-d (why you a monotheist would imply there are many G-d's is beyond me.) should always be respected so should the people of this world be respected. That you are capable of venerating the prophets but are incapable of showing respect for people (a creation of G-d) is disgraceful. How can you justify an unconditional hatred against the Jews when G-d created all people? You respect G-d yet you can't respect G-d's creations.... If you don't like the Jews then keep it to yourself and stop spreading racist depictions of the Jews and other peoples of the world. Stop blaming it on a select few who you claim are radical. We reign in our radicals, why can't you? If a Jew attacks a mosque in Israel he will be jailed. Why do Muslims never get jailed in Islamic states when they burn Churches and Synagogs? Perhaps then Faraz it is my ignorance speaking, but from the eyes a non-Muslim you may understand how we feel victimized by Muslim extremism and Muslim indifference to this extremism. Lynne Habibi, if you read some of my above post you'd see I'm not mixing apples and oranges. If you would like me stop making fun of Arafat for stealing billions then I will. If you'd like me to stop making fun of Olmert (a Jew) then I will. Do you believe Jews don't make fun of their leaders? I even crack jokes over the prophets once and a while Lynne. You must be familiar with the fact that some of the prophets lived an extremly long time. I a religious individual have often casually joked saying the prophets did not know how to count back then (they failed math class). All we're saying is that by being racist which your newspapers often are, they in turn invite retaliation. Lynne are you really sure you can back a statement like "the Muslims haven't had problems with Jews until after 1948"? Lynne I'll ask you a question and I want an honest answer from you. What happened to the Jews who lived in Saudi Arabia? Why don't they live there anymore (they stopped living there far before 1948 so please educate us as to why)? Why were Jews thrown out of Islamic countries after Israel was established? I could understand if the Muslims were angry with the Israeli's but to take it out on the Jews living is Islamic states seems racist doesn't it? I mean do the Muslims have problems with Israeli's or Jew's, Lynne? Since you'd like to bring up the Palestinian issue I can only oblige you. Why did the Arab leaders (the same very leaders you get offended when I make fun of them) tell the Arabs living in the region named Palestine (a Turkish province) to leave? Why are there still Muslims living in Israel today but no Jews living in Muslim countries (the few 1000's really doesn't compare to the million in Israel)?? Again I ask the innocent question, do Muslims hate Jew's or Israeli's? and if the answer is Israeli's, why then did the Muslims kick Jews out of their countries?

I'd be willing to accept the Palestinians if they had a history. Their religion is Islam, their language is Arabic. Islam came from Saudi Arabia. Arabs came from many places however the ancient peoples of the region of Canaan (aka Israel) were cousins to the Arabs but not Arab. I find it extremly hard to grasp at the notion of Palestinian when so much is missing from the story. In any event the issue is not Israel/Palestine, the issue is Muslim depiction of others and people depicting Muslims. Please don't mix apples and oranges, Lynne.

From what you say, we have to do what the bigots want us to do. Then where will our freedom go? It is not only about what the article says but about more important matters. And the problem is on Muslims who go wild over things like this one or when people denounce terrorism or criticise a Muslim. People feel offended for different reasons but don’t react like Muslims. I guess what this article deals with has to do with the Muslim reaction over the cartoons.

If Muslims respect other religions, why do they kill Christians and those that see the light and leave the Muslim religion?

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what happened in 1921 and 1929 took place only in Palestine as a result of the Balfour Declaration and the Jewish immigrations to Palestine .. but at that time Jews were leading normal lives and living side by side with Arabs and Muslims.. in Egypt, Morocco, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Tunisia jews became members of legislatures and occupied high economic positions.. while they were suffering in Europe from discrimination.. my point is that when Jews were slaughtered in Europe things were a lot better with Arabs and Muslims.. I find it quite surprising why Jews would end up hating Arabs when they have suffered a lot more in Europe.. why should the Palestinians pay for what otrhers have done to you?? the idea is that whatever is said in anti- Israeli media is targeted against Israel as a state.. but in anti-Muslim media.. Islam is targeted as a religion.. in all cases I do not justify violence no matter what... but I do not justify desacering prophets and religions either..

the fact that Moses had saved Jews in Egpyt centuries ago does not mean that everyone else should bow for Jews later on!! as a Muslim James yes, I do love Moses because my religion had taught me to.. I respect Jews as people of a religion which I believe in but that doesn't mean that I should accept whatever Jews do under the name of their religion!! what Muslims believe is that from Abraham to Mohammad (inclusive) all prophets were descended with one message "monotheism" .. you make fun of leaders as much as you please Muslims or non-Muslims.. this would not anger anyone I assure you.. when you crack jokes about prophets while sitting with a group of friends it's very different from making fun of prophets in a public newspaper or such.. they are not even funny cartoons.. they are clearly published in order to send a certain ugly message to Muslims.. in Saudi Arabia there were 9 Jewish tribes.. prophet Mohammad had problems with 3 of them due because they have decieved him and those were the ones he fought and banished.. he even married a Jewish women from those tribes.. their are different stories to what had happened to the 6 other Jewish tribes.. some say they were actually banished from Arabia others say that some have converted voluntarily to Islam and the rest who were living at the Saudi Yemeni borders were brought to live in Israel.. since Israel is a state established upon religious ideas, there is always this dilemma of are all Jews Israelis and are all Israelis Jews??.. for me and for many others Jews are not all Israelis.. but in general since Israel represents Judaism Arabs turned violent against Arab Jews since they somewhat represented Israel in their eyes.. I believe Arab Jews were the ones to pay the price of Zionism whether in Arab countries or in Israel.. there are theories which say that Zionists have had a hand in depriving Jews out of Arab countries.. for example in Lebanon during the 1950's and 1960's the Lebanese Jews had good relations with other sects in Lebanon.. during the Israeli invasion to Lebanon in 1982 Israel had bombed one of the main synagogues in Beirut.. in Iraq Jews were threatened by Zionists in order to flee to Israel.. some recieved bribes to go to Israel.. the problem is there are many versions of each story.. I cannot claim that this is right and the other is not.. but I always say that maybe if we could not agree on neither history nor religion then we should try to agree on the fact that violence from either side will get us nowhere..

I don't recall saying anything about "hating jews"! All religions, i repeat, ALL religions demand respect.... As for the matter of "showing respect to mankind", how on earth is this latest stunt even remotely related to "respect"? Or perhaps you wish to suggest that the 1.3 billion muslims in the world aren't worthy o respect? And speaking of "repect for mankind", care to comment on massacres in Lebanon of over a thousand innocents? If Hizbollah kills unarmed Israelis, that's a terrible offense and i condemn it! But does that justify the Israel to stoop down to the level of those terrorists?

Habibi, first things first. My real name isin't James I simply doned the name to tick off #43. I agree with you that those depictions are made to send an ugly message to Muslims, but so to are all the nasty caricatures in Arab newspapers depicting Jews (the nasty depictions of Jews existed far before the Danish ever made those inflammitory pictures). Marrying a Jewish woman does not prove much. He may have went with an individual Jew but that does not mean he liked the Jews as a whole. There are many instances where I can agree with you that your prophet treated the Jews well, but there are also many instances where he made horrid claims about the Jews as a whole. If his feud was with three Jewish tribes then he should never have depicted the whole Jewish nation as pigs, dogs, and monkeys. I would understand if he called the three Jewish tribes as such (since for whatever reason he had problems with them). The Palestinians never had an independant state ever in the history of the world. The Turkish and even the British have more claim to the land of Israel than do the Palestinians. Violence from either side certainly will not get us anywhere but that statement has to be accepted in action by EVERYONE on every side.

Faraz I'll gladly comment on the "massacers" in Lebanon. What started the war in the first place Faraz? Hizbullah killed soldiers and kidnapped two during a raid INTO Israeli land. They also fired rockets on civilian targets IN Israel. All this was done BEFORE any bombing of Lebanon occured. What did Hizbullah cite as their justification for attacking Israel in the first place? The "occupation" of the Shebaa farms. Here's the curious thing about the Shebaa farms... It has nothing to do with Lebanon. It was land used by Syria to attack civilian positions in Northern Israel before 1967. In 1967 Israel pre-empted after a massing of Arab troops occured along their borders with the Arab nations. Israel took the Shebaa farms and the Golan heights. Israel also took Sinai but later gave it back to Egypt because Egypt was willing to be peaceful, for a change, and made peace with Israel. Syria, however, has never shown any true desire for peace. Now Faraz answer me this. What does Hizbullah a militant group supposedly fighting for "Lebanon" have to do with the Shebaa farms? Hizbullah attacked Israel first and their justification for this attack was occupied Syrian land??? How does that make any sense Faraz? I also denounce the death of the Lebanese civilians, caused by the hands of a coward named Hassan Nasrallah who is too busy sleeping with the Syrians and Iranians to truly ever take the needs of his people into account.

oh.. I'm sorry.. I thought you used the word imposter to distinguish yourself from the James in here.. I will not claim that Muslims have never called Jews monkeys and pigs and such nonsense.. but I assure you that those who use such language are ignorant.. for me insulting someone reveals ignorance and a lack of understanding in all aspects.. whoever made the insult.. but I can tell you that Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) had never used such words on Jews.. in the Qur'an there is a story about some of the Children of Israel in a certain occasion they have angered God so he called them apes.. this is the verse.. 002.065 " And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."" this happened on a certain occasion and on some of the Children of Israel.. it does not give anyone the right to use it on Jews.. as for pigs they were not called pigs... Christians and Jews are respected in the Qur'an and are regarded as believers.. 002.062 " Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." so this gives no one the right to say otherwise... I can't see how you are attempting to ignore the fact that according to a British census in October 1922 the total population in Palestine was 757,182, 78% of whom where Muslim Arabs, 9.6% Christian Arabs, and 11% where Jews (mainly new immigrants).. the fact that the Turks and the British have occupied this land does not mean that the Palestinians did not exist!!

Sheesh! Apparently you haven't bothered to fully read my previous post....or perhaps not been able to comprehend... Hizbollah is a terrorist organization! It kills innocent civilians, because it's a rogue group....i said this before, "I condemn" their acions... What's shocking is that the Israeli govt would fall to the level of those mere terrorists and indulge in the exact same crimes that Hizbollah does....and of a greater magnitude! I don't question Israel's intentions for cleansing terrorists, I question their methods!

Habibi, I'm not ignoring any fact. What I said in the last post is that the Palestinians have never had soverign rule. If you try to argue that it doesn't matter because they are the "indigenous" people of the land, that is not true. Before and even after Abraham (for quite sometime), the Canaanites lived in the land. Now unless you have facts to prove me otherwise, I know the Canaanites were not Arabs. They would be catagorized as Semites yes, but not strictly Arabs (Jews are also catagorized as Semites). The Palestinians are Arabs (or am I mistaken?). We can't exactly give back land to a people who never soverignly owned the land. My people however have soverignly owned the land. Ask yourself Lynne how some of the Jews got into Europe and the Islamic countries. Where did they come from before Europe and the Islamic countries??? I'll ask you a simple and honest question. Do you feel it right for Muslims to have Mecca?

I'm perfectly able to comprehend. You don't question Israel's intentions correct? Your problem is their methods? I respect that you don't agree with the methods. I'm glad at least you and I agree Hizbullah is a problem. My question to you is how you in Israel's shoes would deal with Hizbullah? Do you agree that no one else is willing to fight Hizbullah Faraz? Lebanon has shown perhaps in will a desire to disarm Hizbullah but in actuality they do little. Syria certainly has no desire to disarm Hizbullah. Will Pakistan disarm Hizbullah, Faraz? What military operations would you (in israel's shoe's) use in order to disarm Hizbullah? I'm proud to say that at least the Israeli military does not hide in civilian building after they carry out strikes against Hizbullah. Why does Hizbullah hide in civilian buildings and fire from civilian areas Faraz? If Hizbullah wants to fight with Israel let Hizbullah occupy ground away from citizens. Let them build bunkers away from civilian populated areas. Let Hizbullah stop hiding behind their civilians Faraz. I agree with you that the civilian deaths are wrong, but to leave Hizbullah alone and allow them to constantly terrorize Israeli's simply for the sake of keeping the peace is wrong. That exact same mentality was taken with Germany before the second world war broke out. While the Europeans did save lives in the short run by appeasing Hitler it cost them millions more in the long run (and those lives were certainly not only Jewish ones).

there are different stories about the origins of the Canaanites... what I know is that they are Arabs.. since I regard this theory as one that makes most sense.. since geographically in those times it would make sense that Arabs from the Arabian Peninsuala would migrate to the fertile crescent region.. since I don't think we could ever agree on such facts because they are historical facts which upto this day we are unable to prove.. I should remind you that whoever the Canaanites were they were definitely not the Israelites.. so whoever Canaanites would turn out to be they have the right to this land more that the Israelis!!.. if I would take things in your logic (that the British and Ottomans have more rights to Palestine than the Palestinians) then I will have to remind you that after 634 Palestine was part of the Islamic Chaliphite.. and acquired and an Arab speaking and Muslim majority (via conversion) and remained so until the Selujik Turks invaded parts of Asia including Palestine in beginings of the 11th century..in the 12th century the Crusaders invaded Palestine and again it was liberated by Arabs and Muslims.. later on came the Ottoman Empire (wwho are non-Arabs but again Muslims) .. the British.. and finally Israelis.. so this makes Israelis just another wave of conquest much like the Crusades.. it's pretty much like what Americans have done to the native Amenricans.. if I continue in your logic then Americans living now in the US should return to Europe.. Israelis to Sinai.. etc.. the world should move backwards.. you insist on mixing up Jews with Israelis .. not all Jews are Israelis.. if each of us returns to where revelation was descended onto our Prophets then Jews will have to sqeeze themselves in Sinai.. Christians in Palestine and Muslims in Mecca.. common "not James" no offense but that's crazy!! as for your "simple and honest" question I don't understand why you're asking me if Muslims have the right to have Mecca.. do you think otherwise??? anyway.. whoever lived in Palestine so and so centuries ago does not justify your killing of those people you "happened to find" in Palestine (since I understand from your argument that Israelis were expecting to find the land vacant and waiting for them!)

I just read your post to Faraz.. in order to disarm Hezbollah you should kill over a thousand Lebanese civilians, destruct Lebanon, and at the end NOT disarm Hezbollah??!!! Hezbollah had clearly stated that if Israel returns the Lebanese prisoners and leaves Sheba'a farms they will disarm.. why does Israel not do this??what proves that this would happen is the fact that Hezbollah in the first place was a result of the Israeli invasion in 1982.. this is the endless Israeli excuse.. that Hezbollah hide between civilians.. in every Israeli family there should be one if not more soldier.. (since serving in the army is compulsory in Israel).. this boils down to the fact that those soldiers when at home are fighters hiding between civilians.. and Hezbollah is not a national army.. it is a militant organisation so logically they will build bunkers in deserted areas and wait for Israel to strike them!! if Israel had wanted to respond to Hezbollah kidnapping two soldiers and killing six why didn't it kidnap two Lebanese soldiers and kill six.. it would have responded to Hezbollah and morally!!

Firstly Habibi, somethings must be sorted out. The Canaanites most definetly were not Arabs. Who conquored Canaan first Lynne? The Arabs or the Hebrews? A signifigant portion of those original Canaanites we're speaking of converted to Judaism. It would be like the Arabs claiming we've always been in North Africa, which is a lie. Berbers were there way before the Arabs. Canaanites were not Arabs since Canaanites were the indigenous peoples and we know this as a fact, the Arabs were indigenous (meaning thats where they originally came from) to Saudi Arabia and then migrated many many years later. The ancient Egyptians were certainly not Arab. The Babylonians (today Iraq) were not Arabs. There were many empires far before the Arabs began to spread and they most certainly did not consider themselves all one people. The ancient Egyptians would not consider themselves ethnically the same as the Babylonians. Your claim about Sinai is slightly misinformed. Your forgetting Abraham. He did not come from Sinai. He came from Ur (part of Iraq today) and moved to Canaan. He and his people (Hebrews) lived there many many years. They left Canaan (and not all the Hebrews left Canaan) generations later during drought to Egypt. Our history in Israel is far more ancient than even Moses's time. Your are absolutley right that in 634 was part of the Islamic Caliphite. The Islamic Caliphite was not Palestine but rather a unified Islamic front. My point is the Palestinians as Palestinians have never owned the land soverignly. During the Caliphite it was owned by the Caliphe who was most certainly not a Palestinian. King David however was a soverign ruler. The fact you can't cite me any Palestinian rulers (and by rulers I mean they answer to no one else save G-d) while I can cite you soverign Israelite rulers shows we had the land as ours. The Palestinians as a soverign people have never owned the land. Revelation for the Jews came many times from Abraham (don't only cite Moses). Do you know where Abraham was living when he heard G-d many times?? You guessed it, Canaan. I certainly think Muslims have a right to Mecca as it was their city. I also feel Jews have a right to Jerusalem as it was their city. Which city is more holy to Muslims? Mecca or Jerusalem? Why should Muslims get exclusive ownership of Mecca but Jews don't have that right with Jerusalem? You misunderstood my arguement. We weren't expecting to find barren land we did. Save for a few costal communities the area of Israel was barren. Bedouins did live there too but the Bedouins still live in Israel today.

You may have missed the part where we established that the Shebaa farms is not Lebanese land but Syrian. How can Israel give Syrian territory to Hizbullah? Those "prisoners" are not enemy soldiers from Lebanon. Those soldiers are not Lebanese civilians. Those soldiers are Hizbullah (a terrorist group even shunned by Saudi Arabia, Lynne) terrorists. Lynne why did Israel enter Lebanon in 1982? You tell me? The endless Hizbullah excuse is that they are a militant organization. Does that justify hiding behind civilians? Israel said it would try it's best to disarm Hizbullah. If the Arabs constantly shield their extremists and are never willing to confront them then Israel is left with the job. Don't cry to us when you refuse to clean the mess. Hizbullah should have been dealt with ages ago by Lebanon just like they had promised they would do according to many treaties.

It all comes down to the Israeli occupation of Palestine buddy....i apologize if you don't appreciate this notion, but there you go... All I know is that the casualties from Israeli cluster bombs far exceeds he casualties from years of Hizbollah rocket fires....my sympathy is there for the group that suffered more losses....it wasn't the fault of Lebanese children that Hizbollah terrorists were hiding in their countries..... At the end, all it matter is what each one of us believes....not what the other thinks.....for me, the carnicatured and the Lebanon bombing cannot be justified by my own conscience.....neither can Hizbollah rockets....

have a look at what you said in a previous post.. " The Turkish and even the British have more claim to the land of Israel than do the Palestinians. " ps.(I am in all this converstation talking to you according to your logicand not mine...) so you believe that since the Israelis have had a sovereign state once upon a time in Palestine then this means that they have the right to claim it now... ok.. I have just equally argued with you that Arabs and Muslims also had sovereignty over this land and sine Palestinians are Arabs and Muslims then this means they DID have sovereignity over this land.. Voila!! Avraham was neither Jewish nor Christian.. Avraham's message was monotheism .. Moses, Jesus and Mohammad (PBUT) had all come with the same message.. this is why a a Muslim I believe that we are all descendants of Avraham and our religion complement each other.. Islam was there simply to continue Judaism and Christianity so it's a developed version of the latter religions... I understand that we have very different beliefs whether in history or religion and I am glad we are able to have this decent dialogue reagrdless of all our differences.. but according to my logic whatever your historical or religious beliefs tell you.. when Israelis came and started to build their settlements and army how many Palestinian lives had this costed? you claim that the there were only a few coastal communities in the region but if this is actually true where did over 4 million Palestinian refugees come from?? (let alone the ones who were massacred.. others who were given Israeli Passports.. and others who are still trying to survive in Palestine.. so again "not James" you are ignoring the existance of Palestinians as humans.. and this is a serious problem.. Palestine is sacered for all three faiths.. I don't think Ismael and Isaac would have fought about religion so I don't think we should be fighting about it after them.. I don't understand why we should fight for the land.. why can't Muslims, Christians and Jews live there peacefully?? I am not against Jews living in Palestine.. I am against Jews coming from all over the world to settle in Palestine while kicking out the Palestinians (whatever you might wish to call them).. why don't Jews make some kind of pilgrimage to their sacered areas in Palestine/Israel?? for instance.. it is true that Mecca is sacered for Muslims but Muslims spread all over the world.. we don't just squeeze ourselves and stick to Mecca.. we can go for a Pilgrimage there.. you would now argue that Jews and Christians are not allowed in Mecca.. the reason for that is because first of all.. it is not favoured in Islam that religious sites become tourist sites.. even Muslims are not allowed to take pictures round the Ka'ba .. another reason is that Mecca is not regarded as a holy site for Jews and Christians so their visits will be touristic and not for any religious reasons which again is not favoured.. again I will tell you I respect your opinions and beliefs whatever they might be as long as you are able to understand and respect mine..

It all comes down to "Palestine"? How could I forget that all the problems that occur in the middle east arise from this problem. When Iran builds nukes Israel is to blame. When we are poor and our leaders are stealing billions (I'm talking from an Arab perspective), Israel is to blame. When we never bother to progress Israel is to blame. When we catch a cold, Israel is to blame. My point Faraz is that Arabs (and sadly many Muslims) love to use Israel as an excuse for every problem in the region. Just be honest Faraz and accept that if Israel were not there for all the Arabs to vent their anger against then Muslim vs. Muslim violence would sky rocket. Your mentality of blame only causes lives to be lost on all ends. The cursaders blamed all the problems in the world on Islam. Amusingly enough you behave no differently than the crusaders.

Habibi, 1 comes before 2. Israel came before the Caliphite. I simply wish to give the land back to the first (original) owners. Before Arabs/Muslims conquored the land the Jews/Israelites lived there. Avraham perhaps according to you was Muslim (you did casually leave out Muslim when saying he was neither Jewish or Christian) or none of the three religions. Before he heard from G-d he was a pagan. When he heard from G-d he became the first monotheist, and a Jew. Since the first monotheistic religion was Judaism and since Avraham was the first monotheistic man it would seem he was Jewish since we all agree the first monotheistic religion was Judaism. However, perhaps according to you Avraham practised a monotheistic religion none of us have heard of..... I'm ignoring the existance of Palestinians? I would have thought that the Arab nations which keep them in camps inside their own countries would take some part in the blame, no? 4 million is a skewered number and while I agree there were SOME Arabs living in Israel there still are 1 million today. Many of those "4 million" were poor Jordanians,Syrians,Egyptians who were told by the Arab leaders to flood the area to prevent the Jews from resettling the land. Israel was sacred for the Jews far before it was sacred for either Christians or Muslims. The fact that you would claim "Plestine" is sacred is amusing. Your claiming that a land named (by the Romans) after the philistines (a paganistic people) is holy to monotheists? The very name your giving it is hypocritical since the Philistines (who the palestinians are named after) had nothing to do with monotheism. However the land under the name Israel is associated with monotheism, "Palestine" is not. My point about Mecca wasn't to say that all the Muslims live there or should. My point was to say that in Mecca the rulership of the land is Islam. Why then should Israel not be ruled by the Jews? It only seems fair that each religion deserves their own land since Muslims have Mecca exclusivley to themselves. Muslims should not have their own land as well as others but expect everyone to share with them. However if you truly are insistant on having Jerusalem then I propose this to you: Mecca should be shared as well as vatican city as well as Jerusalem. Like the fair and even idea? Or we can go with the other plan which states that Muslims take Mecca. Jews take Jerusalem.