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Holland may be first European country to ban veil completely
Ynet
Published: 11.11.06, 14:51
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1. What would we do if they banned Hassidic dress?
(11.11.06)
You would all be shouting "Anti-semites!" Those of you who support this are hypocrites of the worst kind.
2. A good step
(11.11.06)
3. another attempt at fear mongering by Ynet
David ,   TA   (11.11.06)
This is just the latest example of Ynet's subtle but conscious attempt at exploiting any potential friction between Europe's native and Muslim population. The new legislation in Holland concerns the wearing of a burka or niqab (i.e. those veils that cover most of the face except for a slit or hole for the eyes) and not for all veils, which may even by a mere scarf. Instead of stating this clearly in the title, Ynet has again opted for sensationalism as a means for advancing their own agenda of 'exposing' the cracks in liberal European societies.
4. HOLLAND WOKE-UP...MUSLIMS WANT TO CONQUER EUROPE
(11.11.06)
5. #1 What do you mean?
(11.11.06)
We dont have full cover veals, the most people would have is a shall that covers the hair. If your t alking about a man, what is so distirbing with a black suit jacket and black pants? They are banning this because they cant quickly identify the woman, there is no comparision.
6. To #1
Choni Davidowitz   (11.11.06)
Jews should not wear Hassidic dress outside their own Land. As a matter of fact a REAL CHOSID should not be living outside of his own land -Eretz Yisrael. If a foreign govt.in a foreign Land bans Hassidic dress,then this is a clear message from Hashem to get out of exile. You can call it anti -semitism, but I call it a wake up call.
7. #1 Hassidic dress does NOT hide the face! Terrorists have...
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (11.11.06)
used Islamic women's clothing and evaded capture.
8. #1 - Deception by comparing apples & oranges
Darren   (11.11.06)
To #1 You are comparing apples and oranges. Pure deceptive maneuver on your part. I'm not a Jew. So let me apologize in advance if I'm wrong, but from using Google and looking at pics, the Hassidic dress does NOT cover the FACE!!! Get it? It does NOT cover the FACE!!! No cigar for you...
9. Dutch constitution
John ,   Rishon, Israel   (11.11.06)
Such a rule is against the Dutch constitution and should not be allowed: Article 1 All persons in the Netherlands shall be treated equally in equal circumstances. Discrimination on the grounds of religion, belief, political opinion, race or sex or on other grounds whatsoever shall not be permitted. Article 6 Everyone shall have the right to manifest freely his religion or belief. Article 15 No one may be deprived of his liberty.
10. A ploy to impose their ways on West
Darren ,   Tampa, FL USA   (11.11.06)
Dear John: In article one it states, in part,: "All persons in the Netherlands shall be treated equally in equal circumstances." How are Muslims being treated unequally? For all people will be required to show their faces. In America, Muslims tried this non-sense and so far they have lost the battle, and we to have Freedom of Religion which is NOT FOUND in MUSLIM countries. You concern yourself about this non-sensical viel; yet I wonder how many talkbacks or complaints you written about Jews and/or Christians in Muslim countries? They are being beatened, robbed, imprisoned, and killed for being Christians in Muslim countries. Churches are being firebombed and your whine about Muslim "persecution". Perhaps you should direct your energies there, I do. All people here in America are required to show their face when testifying. They tried the veil garbage in Court as an expression of religion and got nowhere. All people here in America are required to show their face when applying for a driver's license. They again tried the veil whining about their "rights". AND ISLAM does NOT...I repeat DOES NOT require the veil. Many women in Islamic countries look more Western than in Western countries for they don't wear the veil. This is a ploy by Muslims to be different. They create situations so they can decry "victimhood". They want to both violently and with subtlety transform the West to an Islamic caliphate...a ummah. They should go home for a civl war in the West is coming.
11. To #1
SR ,   NYC   (11.11.06)
Idiot, which part of the "Hasidic dress" would you ban in Holland? Wigs? then many Dutch prostitutes and actors would be out of work. Black suits? Then most Dutch businessmen would be forced to go to work wearing jeans and clogs. And Dutch bridegrooms would be forced to wear maroon tuxedos. What sort of society, other than the US would tolerate maroon tuxedos???
12. Good for the Dutch.
Righteous Zionist ,   Israel   (11.11.06)
About time someone gave the appropriate signal to the jihadists. The furure of the covilized world hangs in the balance
13. Appears, Holland on its way to restore the dignity of Women!
KMR ,   Middle East   (11.11.06)
The following statement/claim is misleading and utter nonsence:- Quote.....Muslim organizations in the country ...........claim that forbidding it will increase their sense of exclusion and alienation from society....Unquote
14. A step in the right direction.........is Europe waking up?
Roni   (11.11.06)
15. Dutch good intentions
None ,   Chicago, Illinois   (11.11.06)
British intelligence says 100,000 British Muslims are in favor of terrorist attacks. There are only 1.6 million British Muslims! Read the Koran - this is a religion that favors killing, worships killing, and will never stop.
16. There actually is a limit to Dutch tolerance
David ,   Marietta USA   (11.11.06)
This is the same nation that expelled the (future) American Pilgrims because of THEIR religious extremism. Something this momentous comes around only once in 400 years. Things must be getting totally out of hand in Amsterdam for the Dutch people to even think about such actions, much less actually consider taking them. But don't worry, they are still EU, they will have a Moslem majority by their own free choice within the next decade, and join with France, UK, Germany, and Spain in creating the new Islamic Republic of Europe. As for #1's comment, once the Arabs take over, we won't have to worry about Jews wearing Burkas.
17. LET THE MEN DO IT
Arik Silvermen ,   Milwaukee USA   (11.11.06)
The idea of the veil comes from a society in which women are closely guarded and their male guardians are the way the interact with the public. Instead of wearing the veil, the women, if genuinely religious, will stay home and let their male relatives go out in public for them.
18. Holland
charles ,   petach tikva   (11.11.06)
Why are you answering to such stupidity's as # 1 writes ? The Dutch people were , and still are , very tolerant . If there are some who dislike Israeli politics , i remember 1967 , when after the 6 day's war , in vast quantities of shops there were posters : buy Israeli products ! And regarding "a nation that expelled ....." If you go back in faraway history , i too ! In wich country were Jews , expelled from Spain , received ? In Holland !!!
19. That's a good advance.
kobi   (11.11.06)
Now they should ban every extrimisst religious school, get rid of the extrimist preachers, fine families with more than 2 children and much more. But please, hurry up, we don't want to lose this beautiful country, and espesially no one wants to see muslims forcing those beautiful blond women to wear A FU$%$ING NIKAB. and they will, if they'll have a mjority.
20. Europe is finally
Lena ,   u.s.a.   (11.11.06)
waking up and smelling the coffee, it's about time ! the writing was on the wall for a long , long time....., the moslims are taking over Europe, slowly, but surely..... how sad!
21. Excellent: a targeted response to jihad.
sk ,   USA   (11.11.06)
One big problem with Islam is that it is expansionist, taking over other peoples, forcing them into dhimmitude, destroying their rights. Muslims can no longer do this in Western countries -- they lack the military might. So, they have changed tactics, using Western freedoms to advance their agenda. Some Christians and Jews like to say, "the solution is Christian/Jewish values." In other words, to address the problem, we all need to go back hundreds of years in search of such "values." No, we don't. This move from the Dutch is a shot across the bow to Islam, indicating that Islam will not be able to conquer Netherlands with trickery. I hope the campaign expands. BTW, the Dutch, at least today, are tolerant beyond belief. I visited Amsterdam once. The food? Well, not great, except for Indonesian. The music? Great: the Concertgebouw is a fabulous orchestra, even with that buffoon Chailly conducting (the orchestra ignores him). The city layout is great fun, with all those concentric circles. Two major art museums have fine collections. (Forget about getting into Anne Frank's house -- lines are ridiculous.) The "coffee houses" offer homegrown pot (I don't even like pot, but I did try some, and it was great, for pot). And, my God, the night life is fully as raunchy as everyone says. It's amazing. For gay people, nothing compares. For all people, I'd guess. I wish this unique country well.
22. face covering is not a MUST in Islam but..
Lynne   (11.11.06)
no one has the right to stop Muslim women from wearing it in public.. I might accept asking women to remove the face cover in certain government establishments for scurity reasons but no one has the right to control what a woman chooses to wear in public.. I wonder why only Muslim clothing seems offensive in Europe!!
23. Would love to be dutch!
Craig ,   South Africa   (11.11.06)
People seem to forget that holland is their own country and they have their own way of life and every right to preserve it the way they see fit. The way i see it immigrants must simply FIFO (Fit In or F#@! Off) when a person decides to migrate they have to understand that they have to adjust to suit the country not the country adjut to suit them they are exeptions.
24. Good.....
Johnson ,   USA   (11.11.06)
25. #22 Clothing is not a problem. The VEIL is a security hazard
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (11.12.06)
26. Muslim countries should GIVE RIGHTS to Non-Muslims
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (11.12.06)
...that we give to Muslims in our countries! Freedom of speech. Freedom of religion. Equality in a court of law. Freedom from being persecuted because of our religion. Freedom to not have our Bibles and other religious books destroyed. etc. etc. etc. FREEDOM and HUMAN RIGHTS for Non-Muslims now!
27. Lynne
Richard ,   Open Range, USA   (11.12.06)
Hello, Lynne! I was beginning to wonder what happened to you. There is nothing wrong with the veil. Unfortunitely, some people use it and the male's headware, too, to conseal their identity. I am sure you have seen photos of protesting Muslims with their faces covered. I am certain you have read about violent men using female dress to escape, only to fight another day. This scares people. They want better security during a time of uncertainty. If it were not for that, no one would care. In the USA, many states now allow photo ID with the veil after court battles. Personaly, I don't have a problem with it. It just makes it far more difficult to communicate, read facial expressions, etc. It does make it impossible for the hearing impaired to lip read.
28. Face covering is New to Islam
Eve ,   New York   (11.12.06)
Until 9/11, I traveled to London almost every month for a period of six years. I stayed in an area that had many Moslems. During those years I did not see any moslem women with a full face covering. I visited London three months ago and was shocked to see many many woman with only their eyes showing. Some wore masks with 2 little openings for eyes. Theses Islam radicals are "playing" the western countries. The radical Islams are using their religion and the freedoms of democracy to set themselves up so that they can destroy the western culture. While in London I noticied that these woman (maybe they were men) using all the inventions of the West, such as cell phones and IPODS. It is absurd that they are using the freedom of a democracy to do everything possible to hate and try to destroy the West. I am glad that Holland is taking action, every country should do likewise. It is impossible to identify the person and terrorists are using this tent and mask for their terror activities.
29. Europe is ssscared!
James ,   u.k.   (11.12.06)
30. to lynn
Mona ,   u.k.   (11.12.06)
because it's very easy to hide inside of this clothing lynn, what don'nt you understand? besides, in Rome behave like a Roman............
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