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Lieberman: The unfaithful cannot be citizens
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 10.12.06, 20:58
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61. I'd like to redifine "antizionist"
gabriela ben ari ,   Jerusalem   (12.11.06)
Please lieberman include in this category all those seeking to finish up with the Jewish state: Tamir, Beilin, Olmert, and cohorts Seriously
62. you are right
ingram   (12.11.06)
Unfortunately the Palestinian will never support a Jewish state , even if they could live in peace and benefit economically . The radical Hamas etc want to destroy Israel, why then does Israel not turn around and tell the arabs , eye for an eye , tooth for tooth !
63. Lieberman's criteria for Citizenship...
Edithann ,   Miami, USA   (12.11.06)
I feel the same way about the American Jews here too...No more Dual Loyalists...it's either or....
64. Video's
Edithann ,   Miami,USA   (12.11.06)
What's so unusual? Tthey are at war, What makes Israeli's think no one is to be armed.?..Wouldn't you think that naive..or manybe even stupid?
65. we need prime minster tough like him
reuven ,   usa   (12.11.06)
all jews around the world want and press for resignation of olmert.i hope is soon before we lose israel .i dont want one day to get visa to visit tel aviv
66. It is Funny when immigarant decides
1.5 billion Muslim   (12.11.06)
who will live ro Arab land , Lieberman use Joseph Goebbels tactics, accoring the Goebbels theory of Big lie, leader have to repeat Lie until it become truth , so Lieberman think if he keep shoot his mouth to many times , his nonsense will become reality , Mr Lieberman 4 ur own sake go back to Rusia , the time of threating Arabs and expect them to run is over , u read to many time the Bio of your Fellow Rusain Immegarent Mosha Dian who said Harder u hit Arab the more they get scare , now Arab become anti-thesis the harder u hit the harder they become : Well come to the new middle East . Reality check
67. The Savior
1.5 billion Muslims   (12.11.06)
i can not sleep without reading Man's searching For Meaning by Viktor Frankl , i like these book cause the book will motivate u no matter the chalange u face if u focus survival u wii live , mr frankl who survived Conceratation camp and seen what happen his experiance want share the world the term of DULUSIONAL OF REPRIEVE , according to Mr Francal , "the situation look like "he condemned man , immediately before his execution , get the illusion that he might be reprieved at ver last minute "so Liabermans big talk become delusional of reprieval of Israel Arm chair Jahadist so we will see the solution . reality check , world
68. I VOTE LIEBERMAN
Danny ,   Tel Aviv   (12.11.06)
69. Elokim: we gave the Palestinians a state already
(12.11.06)
Before 1948 there was never such a thing as an Arab State of Palestine. The histor of Judea since the expultion of the Jews is as follows: After the Jews rebelled and were expelled from Judea, the Romans started calling the province Palestina, and under this name it passed to the Eastern Roman Empire, AKA Byzanitines. Some time toward the end of the irst millenium A.D. it was conquered by the first of three succesive Arab Caliphates, which would rule it for the next several ceturies. That is when Arabs began to move there. However the arabs who settled Palestina never had or wanted a state independan t o the chaliphate they were under.. It was only after the area had gone through Turkish control and into the hands of the British after WWI, that the people living there were given the name Palestinians. Still, they did not want a sparate state, they wanted to be part of a Muslim Chaliphate that would be restored once the British were driven out, never the less when they saw that the area was going to be made a Jewish stae they said "no we want it to be a Muslim state." Althouh the Arabs had as much claim to it as they did to southern Spain, they were allowed to have half of Palestina/Judea as a state, one that they nver would have gotten n the irst place if the Jews hadn't decided to establish a homeland for themselves. And in return for all the hard work we had done and for our agreement to split our former homeland with them they attacked us and tried to kill us all. The m uslim Palestinians already had a state and they used it for one purpose only, to try and destroy Israel, that is to say they bet their state on ISraels destruction. Well, thank goodness they lost that wager, and they have absolutely no right to demand to have it back, especially since they have given ample proff since that as soon as they get ANOTHER state they wlll use it to try to destroy us again!
70. Lieberman is a racist
JIM ,   newark   (12.11.06)
Lieberman is right wing facist and Hitlerlike.
71. 10 Actually if that was my country, I would SAY
freedom ,   canada   (12.11.06)
the same thing. The pledge of allegiance is one of the foundations of democracy in the USA. Azzam if you dont like it tough... I dont agree with everything he has to say.
72. 1 No you mean nasrallah..
freedom ,   canada   (12.11.06)
73. 27 Well maybe I should go through the covenants of the basis
freedom ,   canada   (12.11.06)
of the formation of Israel. Wait wasnt the country foundeded as a land that holds God in the highest of esteem and respect.. Wonder if that would make Olmert and Peretz in your realm of being unlawful and dealt with accordingly.. You must be a lefty... So sad.. God didnt create Israel so lefties can give it up.. Or do you want him to show Israel how powerful he is. Then maybe you will all listen to god there.
74. 30 Interesting.. Do you think the Sudanese government
freedom ,   canada   (12.11.06)
supports terrorism through the funding of the janjaweed. That is do we have defacto ethnic cleansing in the Sudan. Thanks for your thoughts...
75. 46 Hani, we should both agree on the definition
freedom ,   canada   (12.11.06)
of Gods land. Remember a lot of so called palestinians were basically forced into gaza an area which was not natural. How far back in time do we go to actually divide up the west bank and gaza. What about the Golan. Historically, jewish people would seem to have a better claim for increasing their ownership of land beyond the 1967 ceasefire lines.. Surely, that is something you can see. As far as the Golan. Its Isreals you just have to consider war reparations and how territory was carved from the loser of a war that happenned to be the attacker ( Syria ). Thus, Syria has no real claim on Golan, that is wishful thinking.,
76. AM I MISSING SOMETHING?
DemocracyRules ,   Canada   (12.11.06)
WHY does Palestine have to recognize Israel (I'm serious)? I'm not sure if Canada has recognized Tonga -- but does it matter? What Palestinians need to do is recognize PALESTINE, as a separate and independent nation, no? If they assume full responsibility for themselves, and set the course of their own destiny, then who cares what the neighbours think? Palestine could ignore Israel, or not. If they attack Israel, that would be war, and they would lose. Or is it that Palestine (or Israel) does not want a completely separate destiny?
77. He's Got My Vote ....
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (12.11.06)
When is the last time you heard someone in our gov't. say something sensible? Must be quite a while. One thing is sure, he'll get my vote in the next election.
78. finally, a sane voice
mordechai ,   jerusalem, israel   (12.11.06)
let's just hope it's not going to sink in the knesset swamps ... LIBERMAN FOR PM !!!
79. We've been stupid
Shai ,   Israel   (12.11.06)
I'm talking about the West. The issue isn't "Liberman", it's "why Liberman". Here's why. Arabs have a shame culture. It's why they find it impossible to admit fault, and learn from their mistakes. They are ashamed that the Jews in Israel, a small nation of 6 million, defeated the power of 350 million Arabs, over and over again. The only way to obliterate the shame is to obliterate Israel. Since so many Arabs are Muslims, their attitude has become generally pervasive amongst all Muslims who tie into the nationalistic aspects of Islam, even Persians who were once friendly with Israel. There is no compromise that will ever appease Muslims or Arabs who feel shame that Israel exists, with one exception - giving Israel to them, and forcing the Jews of Israel to submit to their rule, which in their opinion would be more docile than our rule of the Arabs who live here (about 20% of Israelis). So Europe and now the US is trying that, we see the signs of it all around us. Olmert has merely greased the skids by his mishandling of the Lebanon skirmish. What they don't understand is that once Europe was also Dar al Islam. America is also targeted as such (it wasn't a target the last time - nobody knew much about it and it was hard to get to). Israel's and the West's response to the Arab shame is "guilt". We in the West have a guilt culture. We wish to be fair. We wish to compromise. We "turn the other cheek". We must somehow be at fault. We feel bad that the Muslims and Arabs feel ashamed. We feel we caused that shame. When you have one side that can't admit fault, and another that volunteers to take upon itself fault it doesn't have, you create the potion of politics we see today in the Middle East where one side has no end of demands, and the other side has no end to what it will do to fulfill those demands. Problem is, it is destroying my country. Liberman is proposing himself as the solution to that problem, but if you'll look at how, he is using the same methods the Arabs use. He's fighting fire with fire. The West opposes this because that's not playing by the rules. The rules say that we must voluntarily put our necks into the guillotine if we are Westerners. What people don't "get" is that Liberman, as Russian as he is, is more "Middle Eastern" than Russians or Israelis who now lead us (Ashkenazim). We hope that his way will work, because if not, we're in for a nasty war that will decide it all, one way or the other. Liberman's time, I repeat, has come not as an affirmation of his views, but because no other view has worked. He has power due to the process of elimination, not less than Palestinians claim that Hamas has power due to the process of elimination (they claim that nothing was done by Israelis for peace, a view that underscores my claim that they are impossible to please unless we please them by disappearing). So if we are guilty of anything, it's that we're now trying to be more Arab than the Arabs.
80. Here Here! Pity your party is so Russian!
David ,   Karmiel, Israel   (12.11.06)
Freedom of speech and civil liberties are one thing. Treason, sedition and consorting with the enemy during war time are something else. If I am not mistaken, the US Administration does not take kindly to people who undermine the security of the United States. The Patriot Act and Guantanamo Bay are the proof of this. In the USA school children swear allegiance to the flag every day. Our Arab citizens enjoy equal rights under the law but work to undermine our security. In some cases they have even helped terrorists commit terror acts and atrocities. Israel’s Arab citizens must decide where their loyalties lie. Are they loyal to the country that feeds them, gives them social benefits and where law and order, at least the Israeli version of it, prevail or do they want to be part of a chaotic Palestinian state where the rule of the gun and anarchy are the law. The attitude of the Arab MK’s has driven many “centrists” towards the right and unless they get their house in order they are going to find that the mood of the country will significantly move to the extreme right. The ball is in their court. I am sure that most Israelis would only be too happy to see a change in Arab attitudes and loyalty and return to the good relations we had prior to Intifada II in 2000.
81. Can we also include as "unfaithful"
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv   (12.11.06)
fundamentalist Jews who burn the Israeli flag and throw used pampers at cops?
82. lieberman is racist scum
eli ,   brooklyn   (12.11.06)
The UK had MPs who supported the IRA. That's called democracy. Why should palestinians have to recognize an illegitemate occupation in order to live there? Let him go back to Russia
83. The Arabs have 2 Palestinian states: Jordan and Pali areas
Dotti ,   USA   (12.11.06)
.....and they still don't think it is enough.
84. Lieberman is 100% right on this one
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85. To anon 43 and sk 55
charles ,   petach tikva   (12.11.06)
Do you think the "palestinians" will agree fully to your program ? Do you think the world will agree ? Israel has taken his Gaza residents back from a place where they were settled by a big mistake . we do not need the Gaza strip [ nobody wants it ] You sk , when you will be confronted with the reality on the ground , not in your faraway and "safe" USA , then you will see that your solution is not valid . I said it already , i would like to have our Israel , from Jordan river to the sea . But there are others who want the same thing . We say [ with reason ] that their claims on this territory are unfounded , they say the same , this belongs them . The biggest problem here is , that there is no satisfying solution for both sides . And this i'm saying already many many years .
86. To the idiot from talkback #15...
DZ ,   Israel   (12.11.06)
When an American citizen is very supportive of Israel, he/she is not, by definition, supporting an enemy of the United States. Israel is an allied to the USA, unlike Syria, which is a sworn enemy to Israel. If you cannot understand the difference between these two extremes, maybe you're not fit to be an American, i.e. too stupid. An American that selected to be an Israeli Firster, should get an examption from income tax in the US. Free Jonathan Polard now! He was spying for an ally; not for an enemy of the USA. DZ
87. # 80, actually...
Vitaliy   (12.11.06)
Hi, David, Actually within Lieberman's party, the Russian members are responsible for more social issues, while the Israeli MKs in it are responsible more for security questions. I saw that when I was looking at the party lists before last Israeli elections. So, his party has substantial Israeli presence, at least at the top.
88. Gabriela
charles ,   petach tikva   (12.11.06)
All those rabbi's and hate spraying religious should be called anti Zionists . They did nothing for the state , only , for most of them , take money . And what about their and your friends , religious also , netoure karta ?
89. in the second phase, I would say ;
Lieberman, ,   PR (ex-threats) M   (12.11.06)
not only citizens should be faithful but also they should be actively working for the pro-Israel pro-Zionists propaganda, the fuel of our survival.
90. #82.Correct.Lieberman is RACIST-BIGOT
Moses ,   Canada   (12.11.06)
David Ben-Gurion said after the Six Day War, that now was the time to give it all back.Soon it will be 40th year of Apartheid Occupation of Palestine. I dare amu of you samrt mouths to talk agaomst Bem-Gurion!! Olmert standing ovver his grave said he was committed to his remarks to give it all back! In sharp contrast: Lieberman said he wants to bomb Palestinian ,banks,schools,gas stations, government building, deport all , calls Palestinians animals,,etc,.. No person like Lieberman in a real democracy could be elected or call for such acts of violence and mass deaths and be allowed to serve in any capacity! Lieberman is a THREAT to Israel's so called democracy..Israelis are from all over the world, Europe, old USSR. Asia,etc.. mostly active communist from former USSR. They are NOT Isrraelis mentioned in Bible. Israelis Communist enjoy welfare,money for having huge family, rent help forever from government , free medical. Arab Israelis are not allow to go to Jewish University. Arabs do not get any money for school in their areas they live, or basic services like Jews. Shame on you to say he's 100% right. Or say next PM! It makes you as big a BIGOT, RACIST ARE HE IS! Stop and think of what you are saying.
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