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Olmert on settler violence: I am ashamed
Ronny Sofer
Published: 14.01.07, 15:12
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61. #55 --- Patricia's selective outrage
Beth Landau ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (01.17.07)
Well truthfully Patricia, I think you are the unpleasant person on this talkback forum. You seem to pick fights with practically every person on here. As for your wondering whether most Israelis share your shock and horror with regard to a fight between neighbors, I can assure you the vast majority do not. But the thing we find most intriguing Patricia, is why you would assume we'd even care, what Israel haters like yourself think of us. You see, unlike the Israeli left which feels the need to appease haters such as yourself, by trashing their own brothers, most of us feel confident enough to know and understand that people like you who never condemn suicide bombings and missle attacks on Israelis, yet scream to the mighty heavens when some settlers throw pebbles and use curse words, will never side with us no matter what we do. Since in your eyes Israel can do no right and Palestinians can do no wrong. And last but not least, I am so hopeful that you do not represent the Hawaiians, most of whom I am sure do not hate Israelis as much as you do, Patricia.
62. Beth #61
Patricia ,   Waipahu,Hawaii,USA   (01.18.07)
Well I thought you would not be able to stay out of this. I would like you to tell me who I pick fights with. I have attempted to simply state my opinions which I am intitled to. I do not call people names like moron, Israel hater, anti semitic etc. please reread my post if in doubt. In fact I have supported Israel in many ways with the only thing I can and that is with money. I will not go into detail about this as it is not necessary. You jump to conclusions when you say I so not condemn suicide bombers, if you are so aware of my posts, reread them, I have always been appalled by this horror and empathetic with those people who suffer from these monsterous acts. I am not screaming to high heaven just to Israel and readers who will listen and consider my opinons.As I previously stated, an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere, and I would now ask you if a jewish person had phyically assaulted another person would you make this an issue of Israel against the world minimize the act? I rarely write posts because it is so disappointing to read the kind of hate fulled, conclusion jumping and distorted statements made by some of you. I will remain disappointed if in fact most Israeli's are like you. Fortunately, I have some contacts with human beings who assure me that about one half of Israeli's do not share your viewpoint, you probably are not aware of them as they do not want to be called names which you so readily do. I personally do not care what you think of me, I know that I am a person with character and in a religious sense, Ithe way I treat others I know I have nothing to be ashamed of or worry about. I am not a Hawaiian, you would have to talk to one of them to see if I am representative of them. Most of the people here do not seem too concerned about Israel as I am. You may also read my post regarding Carter and previous posts here, in JP an Haaretz to review my my position and concerns for Israel. You do read don't you?
63. Is this video even true?
Girl/skeptic ,   Chicago   (01.19.07)
First of all, a person is not an "anti semitic". Rather, this term is an ADJECTIVE. A person himself/herself is an "anti semite". It has been so aggravating to read these posts and keep seeing this! ALSO, honestly, when I first saw this video my reaction was one if incredulity. How do we know that this video wasn't staged and/or faked? Why do we never see inside the "cage"? Why does the Palestinian woman live in a cage with a door that does not even LOCK securely if she is in such a dangerous neighborhood? Why did the Palestinians not shout insults back or retaliate, but cringe in the cage (this would be a typical human reaction). I'm a skeptic by nature. If anyone feels like they can concretely show that this video is indeed true, I would appreciate it.
64. Patricia
Debbie ,   N.O.,LA   (01.19.07)
You don't name call?Calling someone a bigot and racist,two ugly words is name-calling in my book.And guess what-you don't know me either or anyone else.Somehow you too feel free to prejudge anyone who challenges you. So this is the pot calling the kettle black...???You're so worried about what the Israelis think as a whole? Worry about yourself first.Everyone needs to examine themselves- 'to thine own self be true"and stop worrying about the Israelis and who is more unjust or less injust...
65. Hey Patricia, in all fairness to you....
Beth Landau ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (01.19.07)
I did read some of the talkbacks you wrote regarding the Holocaust and Jimmy Carter. They were pro Israel, so I just wanted to give you credit for that. I had based my earlier opinion from the Hebron talkbacks I saw you'd written, which I, and some others felt were unfairly critical. But I now see you are indeed fair and balanced.
66. Islamics in Hebron BOOBY TRAP TEDDY BEAR for JEWISH Child
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (01.20.07)
The values and ethics of PA society are the complete opposite of the values and ethics of Western civilization. PA Muslims pass out candy and celebrate in the streets by the thousands when Jewish innocents are murdered by Muslim human bomb killers. The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the terrorists who brutally murdered defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish Gaza mother, Tali Hatuel, and four little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004. And in the Jewish holy city of Hebron: From: The Jerusalem Post, Nov 16, 2005 'The case for Mitzpe Shalhevet' by David Wilder "...The market was finally shut down following an attempted terrorist attack: Arabs placed a booby-trapped teddy bear in a plastic bag in the market near the entrance to the Jewish neighborhood, hoping a Jewish child, finding it, would play with it and be killed in the ensuing explosion... On March 26, 2001, at the beginning of the Oslo War an Arab sniper shot and killed 10-month-old Shalhevet Pass...
67. Linda #66
Debbie ,   N.O LA   (01.21.07)
And that is why,Linda,I want to howl like a mad woman when I see the word "injustice" attributed to someone who name called another even though it wasn't "nice". Somehow people who haven't experienced the "horror",seem to have no problem looking at this event as something catastrophic...it hurts and is an insult to those who suffered.Sad.
68. To Girl/skeptic in Chicago
Lisa ,   Tel Aviv   (01.21.07)
I visited the Abu Aysha family in their home two days after that video was shot. I also spoke to the Jewish settlers who are their neighbours across the street, and to the soldiers who patrol the street. No-one denies the incident occured. The settlers tried to defend it, the soldiers said they didn't know how to handle the daily incidents between settlers and locals, and I saw the bruises and stitches on the Abu Aysha kids, where they had been beaten up by the settlers. I also saw a whole file of police complaints registered by the Abu Aysha family. The police never responded to any of them - and there are dozens.
69. Lisa
Margaret   (01.22.07)
I realize your post was not addressed to me, but still for reasons I feel are very imperative as well far reaching, I felt the need to confront you on several points you raised. First ,don't you think it's just possible that maybe your letting your partial, deep held political beliefs get in the way of being truly objective on this subject? I have no problem admitting the Jewish community in Hebron have mistreated the Arabs from time to time, but most likely I suspect these unfortunate incidents have occurred because the Hebron Jews have reacted out of fear,anger, and resentment because they have been attacked themselves! That's the problem I have with people like you Lisa. Your totally onesided on this issue . I am sorry, but I just have a very hard time buying into this whole onesided theory promoted by the left in Israel and elsewhere that the evil Jewish community of Hebron regularly attacks their innocent,peaceloving,pacifist Palestinian Arab neighbors for no other reason whatsoever then pure maliciousness and racism. You said Arabs like the Abu Aysha family have constantly been attacked by the Jewish people living in Hebron,and even the police did nothing about this. That's really ashame and don't get me wrong,I am not excusing or defending violence of any kind be it by Arabs or Jews,and I personally have never been one to agree with the whole eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth approach. But I have also read of how the Arabs constantly attack Jews in Hebron too. I read all the time of Jewish cars and schoolbuses being stoned by Arabs. I have read of Jewish homes being shot at constantly . And Jewish kids being attacked by Arab youths on their way to school[I know the Arab children were also attacked ] and I condemn that too. But again this has happened to Jewish children as well. I wish I still had a link to this one particular article,which particularly disturbed me. It told of several Jewish children being injured in front of a Hebron kindergarten by Arabs who threw rocks at them. I seriously doubt these kids did anything to provoke the Arabs. And what about all the terror attacks where Jewish men,women, and children have been murdered in coldblood by Arabs? I am not speaking of the 1929 riots when the whole Jewish community of Hebron was wiped out,or even the shooting death of the infant Shalhevet Pass on the playground a few years back, but the recent attacks like the 3 young people who were gunned down by the Arabs at that bus stop last year,or the truck driver who was seriously injured a few months ago by an Arab sniper . That is why I do not believe all the violence is totally onesided like you and others do. I do believe though maybe without even realizing it yourself that you are too blind to your own biased political viewpoints to really be objective on this matter. Don't get me wrong,I am not saying you should not speak out against injustice whenever you see it and violence done to innocent people. But what I am saying is that I do think you need to be very careful. There's enough antisemitism in this world today. By demonizing a whole community of Jews, be it in Hebron or elsewhere,you are playing into the hands of the antisemites and others who wish nothing more then the destruction of the Jewish nation and the Jewish people. That's the truth harsh as it may be. Don't believe me? I have actually heard Neo Nazis and antisemities on messageboards, defending the murders of Jewish babies in the West Bank because of the behaviour of some settlers,and the first people they inevitably quote are Jewish leftists who hate the settlers. They also defend murdering Jewish women and children because they think the land belongs exclusively to the Arabs only and no Jews should be allowed to live there,and then they have the gaul to accuse Israel of being an "apartheid" state and the Israelis of being "babykillers".
70. A few of those will cause WWIII
tinkie ,   TEL AVIV   (02.11.07)
I hope this women will have criminal charges pressed against her. The act of doing this, under the circumstances, could cost people's lives. I love Israel, but these kind of people (extreme & crazy), and they are the minority, will cause Israel's collapse in the end.
71. hate speech
Silvia ,   Madrid, Spain   (08.03.08)
Reading about: "Olmert on settler violence: I am ashamed," I am horrified by the hate speech I have read against Palestinians. I used to think of Israeli as past victims and as somewhat hostages of the brutality of some recently arrived settlers. I can see not. Certainly some of you remain talking as victims in a self-serving way, while some of your people are daily victimizing palestinians. How do you dare to ask from the victims to tolerate you, your occupation and the daily harrass? Most of them probably remain in their "cage," as most Jews did when they were being removed from their homes and killed by Nazis. I was surprised by someone of you whose rights hadn't been probably daily broken, who is not humiliated in a daily basis without freedom of movement, wondering why harrashed Palestinians neighboors remain in their cage. I recall a North American saying: "I have the right to have weapons. If anybody tried to stop my freedom of movements in my own country, I would shot at them" I believe most Palestinians feel selfhelpless. But, how couldn't you expect that a percentage of them would react violently? How would you expect them to accept your impositions and their absence of freedom? You wouldn't tolerate that for yourself or your children. Mandela didn't tolerate absence of freedom and, now hero, used bombs that killed innocent children. Who is writing the history? We also have terrorism in Spain: ETA Basque Country and we suffered March 11. I have not heard this kind of hate speech in Spain against neither Basque people as a collectivity, neither against muslims. A minority of them are violent. Some more justify their violence. Others are against it. The main difference is that we don't harrash Basque people or muslims in a systematic basis. We don't humiliate, stop their freedoms, steal their lands, have them die in their way to the hospitals because of the checkpoints and constraints. Even though Basque people have exactly the same rights I have, a high percentage of them would like to move apart from Spain and use insulting words towards Spain. How wouldn't you expect a great percentage of Palestinians want Jews, recently arrived using brutality, out of their lives? I had loved people affected by terrorist attacks, both in March 11 and one ETA attack. However, I don't use victim language to make my points and I wouldn't use it to justify oppression. We don't enter the Basque country killing kids in order to find the terrorists. We don't remove their freedoms in order to make sure they won't be able to act killing us. We also have the threaten present of a possible terrorist attack. I too, as other people stated, hope that these hate speech is not representative of most Israeli citizens. However, I have come to doubt it thanks to so many of you. Now talk about anti-semitism out of my words. I find it somewhat funny I was once asked to respond a survey trying to figure out if I was anti-semitic. I was so surprised, I couldn't imagine that as a real topic nowadays as I had never feel any different from the jew friends I grew up with. Each time you talk about anti-semitism you make me wonder why today and you put distance among you and me as if I had to consider both entities separately. You are creating today anti-semitism with your deeds and words to the detriment of all of us.
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