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Germany: Sharp rise in Muslim converts
Eldad Beck
Published: 18.01.07, 09:05
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31. To Paqid
Abdullah   (01.18.07)
Your analysis was clearly excellent, though I do not agree with your conclusions on islam. I think you'll find that a mature form of islam does not have to be a displacement theology but rather a "noachide" theology. The role the muslim religion takes in the future will pretty much depend on how jews live their judaism. If judaism is presented as a myth and a culture or a s apolitical ideology, rather than as a pure religion that perfects both the individual and his/her/its environment, then islam will most likely (barring any attempts at islamo-cide by its most avid opponents) mature into a displacement theology. As it would provie the only global path towards the inner and enviormental perfection that humanity seeks. If however jews practice the pure jewish religion as handed down by the jewish sages (A"H), they will show the world that the jewish path to perfection is the jewish religion and logically all other paths including the muslim religion must be for non-jews. One can of course wait for the jeiwsh messiah or begin working on this now.
32. Repentance
Abdullah   (01.18.07)
One more point is that converts in general are seeking forgivenss of sins. If a convert is seekign montheism, which is the most logical path, he has two main choices judaism and islam. If he is seeking forgiveness and a new life of "purity". given the presnet political climate he may feel more inclined to choose islam, b'cos even if one takes a political view in islam today, it would be representing the "under-dog" and the oppressed, which can be a pure religious virtue. On the other hand a convert to judaism may feel pressured to support zionism and with that discriminatory and sometimes unfair policies, which psychologically might affect the feeling of repentance in the convert. Especially converts from western nations that have an unfortunate history of bigotry. This is one reason i really think judaism must be seperated from zionism, so that converts can choose to be jews without fearing that they or their children might become bigots through the sometimes unhealthy influence of zionism.
33. Ok then, keep hiding your heaad into sand
atmawi ,   Historic Palestine   (01.18.07)
Some people like their relegion, some do not. People have all the right to convert from one religion to another. Rates of conversions, and type of it is the real issue. The headline says more educated people converting to Islam, I like the title. That does not mean any bad to simple people, just a look why an educated man/women want to convert to Islam??? Ask yourself the same question, do some google search, think about it..
34. Reasons not to convert to Islam:
M. Harltey ,   Atlanta, US   (01.18.07)
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_Islams_Terrorist_Dogma_in_Muhammads_Own_Words.Islam
35. The main reason for conversions to Islam
Itzik ,   Haifa   (01.18.07)
Aside from getting a Muslim husband, the main reason is 9/11 and terrorism. EU people afraid Muslems and want to join them hoping it will help them in business and life (and if they don, get what they want they will reconvert). For the same reason Democrats in US like Barak Hussein Obama (who is a Muslem though he gives speeches in Churches- no contradiction). Many democrats believe that Muslems wouldn't attack USA if USA has a Muslem president. If fact, Arabs thought that after 9/11 a lot of people will rush to convert into Islam. Because of Bush it never happen on the large scale in USA.
36. To#2
Casey ,   Germmany   (01.18.07)
it's not that, it's just everything in quran is true, and most of the things are already reaveled. Most of my friends they converted to islam, not beacsue they were force to, and who could force teens to convert to the religion....Themselves.
37. To #3
Casey ,   Germany   (01.18.07)
Exactly!!!! that's the main resaon more people are converting to ISALM, the QURAN and the miracle.....I totally agree with you.
38. Ali, Canada (#12): Shallow ≠ Deep
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.18.07)
If you want to convince anyone that you have "studied Judiasim deeply" it might help if you learned to at least spell it correctly. You are clearly blissfully unaware of the history of pre-sixth century C.E. Arab religion and the lack of any connection between Islam and Moses or any of the other Jewish prophets IN TORAH. If you deny the authority of Torah then you have no pre-sixth century C.E. basis for Islam whatsoever. On the other hand, if you recognize the authority of Torah then Torah defines Islam as a false religion and Muhammed as a false prophet. Your blissful lack of awareness of any of this - and MUCH more - is the very ignorance you thought you saw in others. I'm sure your knowledge of Christianity is as similar to that of "Judiasim" as you claim. I'm happy to accept your challenge. Step right up and show the world what your top clerics are unable to. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
39. There is also a growing resentment against Islam
German Kafir ,   Regensburg, Germany   (01.18.07)
According to an Allensbach survey in May 2006, even before the pope controversy and the failed train bomb plot... 91% say Islam means suppression of women 83% say Islam is dominated by fanaticism 71% say Islam is intolerant 62% say Islam is backwardly 60% say Islam is undemocratic 8% say Islam is peaceful Although time does not seem to be on our side, nothing is settled yet and despair solves nothing.
40. Alqassam in Gaza I was really Impressed
Shimmon ,   Tzfat Israel   (01.18.07)
With the way you guy's made the most of those green houses in Gaza. Destroying the employment and food source left behind was this in the Koran too? What page was that on ? I guess killing infidels can be more important the peace.
41. to 6
Lebanese   (01.18.07)
You think with islam the world will be a more peacefull & better place. In fact the muslim communities in the entire world are living in non stable, violent, misreable life despite the natural resources & wealth they have in their land. How do you want to convince me that Islam preach peace if the whole muslim world contributed less than 10% of what Australia alone had contributed to a muslim country like Indonesia after the Tsunami disaster. Look at the rich muslim nations, they spend their petrol money on pleasure, leaving millions of their own brothers & sisters in Africa & Asia dying from hunger & Aids. I tell you one thing my friend I can see more mercy & love from Christian organisations towards those poor people which reinforce my beleive that the tree is known by its fruit..
42. Track the money trail....
Jack ,   San Diego, USA   (01.18.07)
and see who's paying them to convert!
43. Deutsches tend to respect "clear values"
SR ,   NYC   (01.18.07)
Most recent example was the period between 1933-45, a period of clear values and especially decrees.
44. to #1
Peter ,   Munich   (01.18.07)
Simply, because it isn't possible. Try it and you'll see. And read all the reports about converts who don't get accepted even when they converted with a orthodox rabbi. On the other hand say "la illaha...." and you are a muslim :)
45. #39 resumed
German Kafir ,   Regensburg, Germany   (01.18.07)
74% say a mosque should not be built if the local population is against it 58% expect tensions with Germany's Muslim population 56% say it should be illegal to build mosques in Germany as long as it is illegal to build churches in Islamic countries 46% expect terror attacks against Germany in the future 40% say the practise of Islamic faith should be severely restricted to prevent a growth of radical and violent attitudes among Muslims in Germany 56% say that there is a "Kampf der Kulturen" (clash of civilizations) going on http://tinyurl.com/35vp2e
46. I invite our Musli/Christian brethren to convert to Judaism.
David ,   Boston, USA   (01.18.07)
Others have been coming back to Judaism. Why shouldnt others? My wife converted to Judaism. I could not imagine being anything other than Jewish. Those who are tired of secularism and want the Halachic law, tolerance, and respect should investigate Judaism. There are goods reasons why we are a 5,000 year old people.
47. Jewish converts are well respected in US
David ,   Boston, USA   (01.18.07)
I do not know about the whole world or Israel, but I do know in conservative Boston and Texas that converts to Judaism are well received. I understand there are pressures with the different streams and between Ashkenazi and Sephardic, but the bottom line is if you convert and follow Halacha you are a Jew. I have much more respect for those who convert to Judaism and follow Halacha than for secular self hating born Jews in Boston and I was born here. I personally would welcome any who truly want to convert to Judaism, regardless of background and race.
48. Itzik from Haifa #35
SR ,   NYC   (01.18.07)
Itzik, you're a classic " Potz a Yid". Thank you for opening your mouth. I'm always fascinated by people like you.
49. Islam is not a religion
American convert ,   the land of the free   (01.18.07)
Islam is a coplete ,comprehensive system that adresses every aspect of the human life ..saying islam is a religion is not fair to islam . prophit Mohammad pbuh is unique among all other prophites,according to the gentelman (head of the commitiy about who influenced humanity the most )..all the judges were non-Muslims ..he said i gave it to prophit Mohammad pbuh as oppose to prophit Jesus pbuh (who got the second place ..because Mohammadpbuh was : a husband a father a ruler a state'sman Jesus pbuh was none of that ,i had to give it to mohammad pbuh. the whole debate was on the documentary channels here in the US . i am not surprised with the high conversion #s all over the world ,people are just reading and using their brain ..it doesn't take much really . one of the nurses came to the mosque the other day and converted ,she just read Mary's chapter in the Quran and said in her conversion speech ...Muslims know about Jesus more than Christians. so................ 2 things for those who think i am bluffing .. Get over it .. and most importantely..Get use to it ...it is just a Natural progression . only islam has a real understanding of where we come from and where we are going from here ..the purpose of life is well clarified in Islam .........Just my Opinion .
50. I'd rather die
Ryan ,   Calgary, Canada   (01.18.07)
And spend the rest of eternity rolling around on burning glass and brimstone while being flogged. I'd be a luciferan before a muslim.
51. #18 or you can say; fits with the decline of Zionism
(01.18.07)
52. No. 26 Tony
(01.18.07)
I have to agree with you, having been an atheist from the time I was old enough to question the existence of God. And to those people who think you have to believe in a higher power in order to live a moral life, it just isn't the case. I know plenty of atheists who don't need such beliefs to know that you treat people the way you would want to be treated. Basically, it's the "Golden Rule" without all the b.s.
53. Islam is a Christian sect
Historissimo ,   Dwelling place   (01.18.07)
Mohammed, through his travels with his uncle abu-talib, was influenced by the distorted Christian sect, the Nestorian, that was spread in the arabian peninsula. That sect doesn't beleive in Christ as being both man and the Son of God but rather that he separately takes those two carateristics. So he decided to only take the human nature of Jesus for his new religion as reflected in the Quran, where he describes Jesus only as being a great Prophet, nothing more. That's were the role of the Virging Mary the mother of Jesus also comes from in the Quran. Islam is a mix and match between what Mohammed liked about Judaism and Christianity and what he wanted to add to them to make them more appealing to a wordly crowd.
54. Scientific Quran?
Al ,   USA   (01.18.07)
To Alqassam from Gaza: No one religiion is better than another. Each religion can point to something great about it. They key to humanity is to live in peace and accept all religions and beliefs. Without blowing yourselves up and taking innocent women and children with you. Muslims must speak out against this, if you want any sensible religion to accept Islam. Similarly, one can always critize a race or a people. For example, if your scientific book educates Muslims so well and lights the way, can you tell me how many Muslims in modern history have received a Nobel prize - for anything. Compare that to othe religiions. I am not saying this as a negative, as Islam is a great religion as is Christianity and Judiasm and many others. My point is that instead of critisizing, dividing and bombing, try learning about other religions and accepting them. That is the true honor of any human - acceptance of all others. That is what makes a country like to USA great!
55. Alqassam, Gaza (#3): When Will You Deal with YOUR history???
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.18.07)
A fruitful discussion depends on you confronting and dealing with your cherished but erroneous beliefs as much as Jews or Christians. Kindly cite the historical source documents of Islam, its connection to Moses or any other Jewish prophets, and the Arab religion prior to the 6th century C.E. Can you show me ANYTHING that Muhammed didn't plagiarize (and often deliberately pervert to make his invented Arab religion different) from Torah??? Where is your intellect and mind there? Belief in a book based on interpreting passages in harmony with modern events and discoveries puts the Quran in the same class as the NT, the writings of Zoroastrian, the Mormons and the J-----h's Witnesses. What intellectual company you're in! Torah, by contrast, teaches that any doctrine incompatible with written Torah compiled by Moses on Har Sinai is a false doctrine. If you believe in Avraham, Yoseiph OR Moses then you cannot believe in "Jesus" or Muhammed. Oh, BTW, why was it again that your brothers took such delight in destroying the site of Yoseiph's burial in Shekhem (Hellenized, then Arabized, to "Nablus")? Muhammed, like "Jesus," is described in Danieil 7.25-28. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
56. Ab'd-Allah (#31) Islam purports to be of Avraham, Not Noakh
Paqid 16 Netzarim ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.18.07)
You'll find that the only berit or promise that Benei-Noakh can claim is a rainbow and no flood. The rest is the contra-Biblical invention of some modern rabbis pursuing ecumenism. Torah and Talmud concur that Benei-Noakh is a synonym of goyim; and the Bible is crystal clear on their fate. What astonishes me is how so many who refuse to put their faith in rabbis in areas where the rabbis are in harmony with the Bible are so willing to put their faith in the rabbis, contrary to the Bible, on this issue. The answer, of course, is that it allows them to believe what they want to believe. You have not shown how Islam can avoid being a displacement theology. That is because it is impossible that Islam isn't a displacement theology. Torah precludes Islam (and Christianity). Therefore, the only way that either Islam or Christianity can claim to be valid is by invalidating Torah's preclusion of Islam (or Christianity). That's unavoidable, inescapably and intractably displacement theology. Consider the flaw in your logic: if Jews are hypocritical then you reject their religion. Hypocrisy makes the hypocrite wrong but says nothing about the religion. The intelligent and logical analyst would follow the true religion even if all others who claim to follow it were hypocrites. The alternative -- Islam and Christianity -- is to deliberately follow a false religion. Rather, YOU should be true to the Singularity-Creator, and His Instruction (Hebrew "Torah") for Life was that handed down to Mosheh on Har Sinai. And, following your own advice, you should do so now. Perhaps then you could be shaming Jews to appreciate the treasure they devalue -- instead of fomenting world-wide terrorism, calling Jews "pigs" and "dogs," etc. Ah, but your brothers would kill you for that. Islam IS imposed by the sword. You also err by non sequitur. Since Torah is the only perfect Instruction, all other paths are imperfect; i.e. false; not paths that goyim should take. Torah isn't for Jews alone but what the Creator expects of every person alike. Jews alone have it only because all others rejected it and, ever since, it has meant joining the family. The Singularity-Creator Author of Torah is not a racist. Torah instructs that there is only one Torah -- for Jew and geir alike. (You can research the Biblical meaning of geir in my website.) Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
57. Thank you
Libneniyyeh ,   Lebanon   (01.18.07)
Y net for publishing this article, because it clarifies a number of things (which most intelligent people would have guessed already): 1- Away from the influence of "wild and threatening" imams, away from external influences, educated young people are converting to Islam. There is nothing wrong with reading with an open mind. People are free. They are free to think and decide what they want. So for those ridiculous excuses presented by some about speculations on why these people converted, it's clear uve just got hives of bees in ur bonnets. 2- There are a few people who claim to be Muslims who will do everything in their power to distort Islam. I will not speak more of them. 3- There are people who would rather die than convert (let them, if that is what they choose). Free world aint it. 4- There are some truly decent people of different religious backgrounds who speak from their hearts and wish only the best for everyone. They do not ridicule but even so are often met with incredible antagonism and hatred. 5- There are those who show a remarkable level of ignorance and pomposity regarding Islamic or even religious and historical truth (53 for example). They are not even worth responding to, because they do not present their views as an opinion, but as solid facts. They like to sit back and speculate on what they think are really intelligent theories and interpretations. And then, astounded by what they mistake for "intelligence", will come up with false statements. So, for those who are bugged, why does it bother you? Do you know Muhammad (PBUH) personally to make these claims? He was a man, but helped men connect directly to God. To EVERYBODY's God. God is not only for the Jews or the Christians (this is why the Koran acknowledges and respects them), which is very selfish to think. It is for all people. He is not Mohammad's (PBUH) God only, he is the God of everyone and everything. In the Koraan: " And who turns away from the religion of Ibrahim but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: and he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous. " (He is the God of Abraham) "Were ye witnesses when Death appeared before Ya'qub? Behold he said to his sons: "What will ye worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship thy God and the God of thy fathers, - of Ibrahim, Isma'il and Ishaq, - the One (True) God: to Him we bow (in Islam)." (God of Jacob and Isaak) We gave Musa the Book and followed him up with a succession of Messengers; We gave 'Isa, the son of Maryam, Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a Messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride? Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay! (God of Mary and Moses) Behold! the angels said: "O Maryam! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee, chosen thee above the women of all nations. O People of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. (God of moderation) Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Maryam, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God: glory be to Him: (far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. (He is one God, the God of Christ) I will bet that very few haters have actually picked up the Koraan and tried to read objectively, using their own brains.
58. @ 35
Steve-O ,   Chicago, Illinois   (01.18.07)
My god you're an idiot. Barak Obama is muslim? Do you even know that the man has been baptized 3 years ago? One of his parents were muslim (before they seperated while Barak was still young). And for your little explanation for the reason on the "The main reason for conversions to Islam", I gotta tell ya, that is the stupidest explanation i ever heard, even though I'm not muslim (I do have muslim friends though), the reason people convert to Islam is the same reason people convert to Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, it's all because it hits people spiritually.
59. why convert to Islam?!!
Lynne   (01.19.07)
even with all the propaganda Western medis is trying to poison its people with about Islam it still continuesto be the fastest growing religion in the West.. I think this proves that no propaganda whatsoever could bury away the truth from those who seek it.. I'm wondering why those who blame Muslims of lacking tolerance towards others are right here spitting out their annoyance with this fact!! why?? people are free to choose the path they believe in!! I think the reason for this growth in Islam is that Islam combines a high level of spirituality and realism at the same time.. so it falls somewhere between Judaism and Christianity.. Islam is the last chapter of Abraham's message (PBUH) .. so this makes it continue the messages of Jesus and Moses (PBUT).. and as a result Islam is not only a religion as #49 said.. it is a way of life.. it does not leave any gaps.. even the most intimate parts of our life are discussed in the most sophisticated manner in the Qur'an.. even prophet Mohammd (PBUH) is presented to us a normal man in his everyday behaviors..perhaps a man greater than any other man but nevertheless a man from among us.. which is very easy for us to follow while at the same time he was supported by miracles to prove his prophecy.. and upto this day his prophecies are being proved.. it is impossible to claim that the Qur'an was written down by Mohammad (PBUH) since Mohammad was illiterate and had never left Mecca prior to revelation and the Qur'an was proved to contain scientific facts that scientists are continuing to unveil upto this minute.. the Qur'an is a complete encyclopedia that beholds everything from spirituality to law , science, medicine, history, Arabic literature.. etc..
60. To Paqid
Abdullah   (01.19.07)
The main trust of my argument is that if you're jewish, then tradition is comes before "logic", though of course without excluding it. Logfic may clealry "prove" the "existence" of the "ein sof", but it in no way explains why jews MUST follow certain misvoth (d'oraitha). Without tradition there will be no jewish people (heaven forbid) beginning with the tradtion of har sinai. What is the effect of any tradition, really? It connects the spiritual energy of future generations to the energy of past genrations. Now if a person has a jewish soul (born jewish or convert or potential convert), surely the soul is connected with other jewish souls past, present and future. Therefore, a jewish soul would easily connect with the jewish traditions of past generations and would willingly transmit this tradition to future generations. There are people without jewish souls (this is how G-d made them) and they have their own way to draw near to G-d. They feel no sense of kinship to jewish souls of the past and feel no connection to their traditions. But are still able to draw near to G-d. Now clearly this is a circualar argument. Basically i am saying if you have a (dominant) jewish soul you connect easily to jewish tradition of past generations. This argument assumes that past jewish generations had jewish souls. But this is a fundamental basis of the jewish religion. If one begins to argue that perhaps past genrations were in error, then one has to question at what point in the tradtion did that error begin. Why stop at the jewish sages (Z"L), why not go back to before the first exile before the first extant text of tanach. This would be a valid muslim argument for islam against judaism. But if you're jewish, and you accept jewish tradition, then it doesn't matter what muslims or xtains say. This the jewish way of life and religion that you received from your jewish ancestors and your jewish soul connects perfectly with it. If you deny jewish tradition, you undermine the very basis of your jewish identity.
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