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Olmert to Winograd Commission: IDF let itself down
Aviram Zino
Published: 10.05.07, 12:00
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1. Down with these sleazy 3 Stooges!
David E. ,   Jerusalem   (05.10.07)
Halutz: Take the other 2 along.
2. I love the IDF
D ,   Israel   (05.10.07)
Theeeee IDF knows very well what it has to do to protect us! And the IDF will! I give my life for the IDF, they are the best military organization in Planet Earth, period!
3. Olmert and Peretz should resign
aaron ,   ra'anana   (05.10.07)
4. Israel needs A POWERFULL WINOGRAD
Atilla Karagözoğlu   (05.10.07)
Talk.... talk.... talk report... report.... report THAT WINOGRAD HAS NO POWER TO PUNISH I THINK ! TELL ME WHAT IS THE RESULT !!! DONT TELL ME A PAPER REPORT. EVERY NORMAL MEN CAN GIVE YOU THAT REPORT. RESULT. RESULT. YOU GOT NO RESULT. *** BUILD AN ORGANIZATION AS WINOGRAD BUT GIVE THEM POWER AS MILITARY WAR COURTS ! Result. I look at result. spending too much money. where money comes from ? Atilla Karagözoğlu
5. and Olmert is obviously still cluless ...no ground forces?
Yael ,   Tel Aviv   (05.10.07)
I'm sorry but you cannot do much to a guerilla movement with air strikes. The biggest failing in the war was to rely only on airstrikes until the very end. The ground troops should have gone in within the first couple of days and pushed solidly forward to the Litani. Not put in and pulled out again and again like jack-in-the-boxes and being forced to take and re-take the same places again and again. We could have done it if done properly without ground forces, Olmert? You really ARE a complete idiot.
6. army wasted time on disengagement/giving Gaza to Hamasies
Moshe ,   Beit Shemeshy   (05.10.07)
instead of preparing for war. I accuse the entire LEFT of preferring ideological Arab jihad nationalism to the physical safety of Jews in Israel USEFUL IDIOTS ARE GETTING US KILLED !!!!
7. Now blaming the IDF ?
ben ,   singapore   (05.10.07)
Olmert you HURT MY FEELING !
8. There must be an honorable way to send these...
ben ,   singapore   (05.10.07)
humbugs home for the sake of Israel . Now they blame the IDF ! I am very disappointed with Olmert and Peretz !
9. #6 I agree with you but on the other hand
Don Saliman ,   Nahal Oz, Israel   (05.10.07)
The army used up so much time guarding the settlers,they mised out on many,(not hours) but years, of training
10. What the hell does olmert know about the I.D.F.?
jason white ,   afula,israel   (05.10.07)
These three morons were out of their league. olmert was never a combat soldier. peretz only knows how to make war on unarmed Jews and a nation's economy. And halutz the jr.bird man never had his feet on the ground as a soldiers. I am not saying he did not do an excellent job as the head of the air force,but we needed a Chief of Staff who has infantry experience and knows how armor and artillery are used in war.
11. IDF is the best in the worldbut you three were foolish
reuven ,   usa   (05.10.07)
sleeping, without brain
12. Olmert says IDF responsible for failures
Kemp ,   Nahariya Usrael   (05.10.07)
So much for Olmerts statement "The buck stops with me". I doubt whether anyone believed him and probably not even Ehud himself. He is history's biggest mistake as far as Israel goes and was never capable of any leadership
13. The IDF SHALL NOT BE PART OF THE SIN TO EVICT
ben ,   singapore   (05.10.07)
JEWS FROM THEIR HOMES AND LAND from now on ever ! Change this Govt and restructure and cut the fats get lean and RESTORE ISRAEL !
14. it is the IDF who failed
jacob ,   ny   (05.10.07)
am not defending all those 3 bastards, but i think they all did wat they had to in the mean of makin the best decision available. 75 % of isreal supported the war just to refresh some memories, so they were all olmerts.winograd com. preffer to blame the political men in power then to blame isreal soldiers for not being up to the challange! u know y? cause it is really easy to replace political men just by an election but how it could be to replace a whole army? IDF were one of the best 4 armies in the world but after last summer war i think they have to be pushed to the 5th rank.
15. Rear case! Olmert completely right about IDF becouse it's
Aron ,   Ashdod   (05.10.07)
not Olmert but IDF can't incarnate order's what they got-this is main rule ANY war-army MUST incarnate order!
16. IDF LET ITSELF DOWN
HENRYK ,   RAMAT GAN/ISRAEL   (05.10.07)
AFTER A COMENT LIKE THIS ,I WOULD THINK AGAIN IF I WANT TO GO TO THE ARMY OR ARMY RESERVE
17. Mr. Teflon does it again
Shiloh   (05.10.07)
Olmert said he "is unstoppable" and it seems that he will get past this one too. Mr. Teflon knows how to be a politician but has no clue how to run our country. He is an expert at the blame game and we wonder why our country's morals, ethics have gone to hell in a handbasket!!
18. commanding philosophy and perception
steve ,   london, england   (05.10.07)
If you pit two opponents against each other, one with a machine gun the other with a pointed stick, who is likely to win? If there are one hundred million pointed sticks against one machine gun, who is likely to win! Israel has a quality military and military industrial infrastructure alright. But its soldiers are also intelligent. They understand the mentality of their enemy. They know that muslim fundamentalism has become an obsessive preoccupation in the arab psyche. So much so that it has virtually superceded DEMOCRACY as the imagined route to social justice. The IDF's soldiers know that its opponents today are suicidal. The IDF'S soldiers know that women and children are counted as expendable in the opponents strategic thinking. Pointed sticks. Israel's soldiers are losing faith in their top rank commanders and in Israel's politicians. That is precisely what Israel's enemies want to see happening in Israel. And they are using pointed sticks to achieve this. Israelis need to pressure international opinion and official resolve with regard to para-militarism and the love of armed struggle by arab peoples in certain quarters. Statements from the White House and the EU Parliament are not enough. These people will not listen to such statements. You need to read these people their rights. In public. On radio and television. You need to take their miserable, corrupt, cowardly, blood thirsty and militaristic world away from them. By showing them a better way. They do not understand the article definition of human rights. Therefore they cannot choose to follow leaders who promote human rights. There are more commercials on Israeli and western television for soap and tooth paste, hair colour, deodorants, and holidays in exotic destinations than there are serious debates about the determination for universal human rights in the Middle East. How many pointed sticks can you sharpen in a day! Destroy your enemy. Obliterate your enemy. But do it non-violently. With definitive action on developing the regions imagination for HUMAN RIGHTS. Restore faith in Democracy. Amen
19. syria, iran
anonymous   (05.10.07)
our enemies see this and feel empowered... for once it is us who is the joke i hope israel will recover quick, because the arabs smell the blood in the water
20. IDF only good at fighting non armed children and women
fadi ,   lebanon   (05.10.07)
in Gaza and West bank !!! This is the mosy basic fact which the commission should stress on !
21. Ok those three idiots are down ! Whos next ?
fadi ,   lebanon   (05.10.07)
22. winograd
alex ,   canada   (05.10.07)
The evidence show 3 snivelling cowards blaming the army and each other, 3 guys out of touch. Olmert is particularly concerning with his psychological explanations of perdeptual problems. He is sick and totally out of touch with reality. Be gone with all of them.
23. WHAT???? "Army let itself down"
David ,   Marietta USA   (05.10.07)
This is totally beyond the pale. This is incomprehensible. This is totally, and completely beyond belief. Why is it called the "head" of state? Because he is responsible for what occurs below. Since this "head" has decided to abdicate responsibility, he needs to go. Not tomorrow. Not next month. Not next election. NOW. The existence, the very survival of Israel, THE Jewish state rests upon the military. To have the abject chutzpah to say it was their fault, not the government's that this war was lost, is totally outrageous. How long will the population put up with this aberration?
24. "in the end the fact that nothing was accomplished was
fadi ,   lebanon   (05.10.07)
the most evident failure," Halutz said. This statement will go into history !!
25. what kind of soldiers are those that were filmed on
fadi ,   lebanon   (05.10.07)
camera weeping like sissies !!! is this the famous IDF army ! "the best on the planet" And then blame it on Olmert, Peretz and Halutz !!! Admit it people ! you are finished ! israel is finished ! you have been in war for 60 years whcub has consumed you all ! you will be eroded bit by bit until you will cease to exist in this part of the worl !!
26. Anyone of you looked at the border line lately ? anyone saw
fadi ,   lebanon   (05.10.07)
the huge posters installed there by Hizbullah? Posters of the two IDFcriminal prisoners and the poster for the destroyed IDF merkavas and Peretz looking through a closed binocular !! Enjoy it guys !
27. How come we didn see anymention of Bush Cheney and Rice in
fadi ,   lebanon   (05.10.07)
the report? they should be the one to be questioned too as they were pushing those three idiots to war since march !
28. Omert's tune Just Like the song "It Wasn't Me !"
malcolm   (05.10.07)
29. Olmert: Wasn't it you who was BEHIND the IDF and
David E. ,   Jerusalem   (05.10.07)
had them fight with silk gloves? Why are you blaming the IDF? They did what they were told. Just like they did what they were told with the Gaza expulsion and the Amona expulsion. And who was behind all this if not you and Sharon???
30. The Day Israel's Government went to WAR AGAINST JEWS
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (05.10.07)
In 1980 PLO Chairman Arafat stated: "Peace for us means the destruction of Israel . We are preparing for an all-out war, a war which will last for generations." The PLO Charter calls for the destruction of Israel. On the same day Oslo "Peace" Accords were signed in 1993, PLO leader, Arafat stated: "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish sovereignty there and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel." Relentlessly pressured by the US EU UN, Israeli leaders, military and police cooperate in the Muslim plan of taking Jewish land in stages for the final blow against Israel. Coveting Jewish land for Islam, on February l, 2006, in Amona, 12 miles north of Jerusalem, Israel's police went to war against Jewish patriots instead of fighting the war against Muslim terrorists. Israeli police savagely attacked the peaceful protesters inflicting broken bones and mutliple head wounds on the Jewish victims-many of them children. Young Jewish girls were sexually molested. Video of the violent attack on Jewish innocents: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/122176 Shortly after the 1967 War, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted their report which stated that Israel can only be defensible if it retains Judea, Samaria, Gaza and the Golan. US EU UN/Israeli leaders accomplished the first stage of rendering Israel indefensible by the surrender of Gaza. The next stage is planned to render Israel absolutely indefensible reducing TINY Israel at mid-section to 9 miles wide Auschwitz borders. Jews must survive! Move to Judea and Samaria in massive numbers and prevent the continuation of thousands of years of rabid Jew-hate - the expulsion of Jews from Judea and Samaria! STOP the US EU UN Global Islamic TERROR State in Biblical Judea and Samaria, a Terror State dedicated to Jewish annihilation and the destruction of all of civilization! Council on American-Islamic Relations: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar Ahmad (CAIR co-founder). Addressing a youth session at the 1999 Islamic Association for Palestine's annual convention in Chicago, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) founder Omar Ahmad praised suicide bombers who "kill themselves for Islam," http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52184 An authoritative Muslim stated: "Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws we will dominate you." http://www.meforum.org/article/448 STOP Inciting Children to Kill ! http://www.teachkidspeace.com/flash.php Surround the Knesset! Demand Israel's enemies are utterly defeated and all stolen Jewish land and Temple Mount are returned to Jews! http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/PalestinianChildAbuse Palestinian Authority society are taught murdering Jews is the highest goal in life and attains paradise: http://www.pmw.org.il/AFD.html
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