i think tali needs to play rugby, go out to the field, sweat a bit, run around, get some mud on her face, live life, then come back and write about what really matters. tali when was the last time you ran a marathon, went on a hike, played footbal or tennis?

This is beyond pathetic--she looks in people's grocery carts and then decides how much money they make--AND SHE EVEN BRAGS ABOUT IT. Ms. Farsquash, not only is completely ignorant of Torah laws of Lashon hara (as shown in all her previous gossip columns) but what about COMMON COURTEST AND RIGHT TO PRIVACY. Do you want your neighbors poking in your grocery cart and telling everybody what is your preference of feminine supplies?

No where is it written that they must study and not work - look at R. Akiva and all the other tanaim and amoraim - they all worked - you want to keep the Torah world alive - then why expect that all the "not so great" spend their whole life studying and we should support them. There are great Torah scholars in other countries and they manage to achieve that and hold down a job - If these impoverished people would go out and work instead of expecting everyone to support them while they look down their noses at us the whole picture would look different. BTW - before you accuse me of "who knows what" I am dati - but not haredi and therefore in the eyes of the haredim just don't count. I am tired of being expected to support parasites - and yes, that is exactly what they are. If you want to have a million kids then get a job and fulfill your parental responsibilities of supporting them.

Dont try to appeal to emotions about them rebuilding the lost world. The haredim have nothing but hatred for any other jews, be they sefardi, traditional, zionist or secular. They teach their children to mock the state, theydont care about Tzahal or participate in defending Israel. And in their arrogance they think they have the absolute truth. It is very much the Hareid leadership who have prevented economic progress of the community, so dont kvetch on their behalf!

why the studying of torah is to some people only to study .. why all the people can not study the midicin and torah if they like ,,engeneering and torah or any thing //and studying torah must be in the univirsity as any other branch to work as teachers or rabbi .. or do you think studying torah is so diffecult to learn any other sience or job .. let it to all who like it not oblige by paying money or permitt out of the idf to be a torah student // i think the torah will remain it will not escape from the sociaty or the hearts or the heads

And let us not forget that all these people with their near -to- empty shopping carts are obligated to spend their limited amount of cash on food that requires the most expensive kashrut hechshers around, which inevitably raises the cost of the product and can even be carcinogenic like all those soaked-in-pesticides Katif vegetables.

You make my day every time. Yentali Farsquash is better than my suggestion above. FAKE wig wearer , FAKE person. It is so very 'ugly israeli syndrome' to look in other persons basket. Chareidi women have no time for such nonsense. But TRUE YNET staffers though, obviously do it all the time. You meet them everywhere, (except in chareidi shopping areas), loud and obnoxious, as this article they wrote.

In truth, the very last thing that the secular should ever want is that the chareidi olam start in the field of business. As shown in the United States and Panama and Austria, everywhere the chareidim go into business, they are hugely successful. Well beyond the norm. And they often do it without a formal degree! So imagine that the charedim went into business, and started having multi millionaires well beyond their demographics? The result would be a power based on money. Add that to the charedi power base of having 22% of the population and growing fast - you get a result that a specific despised sector of the population will have both money and electorate power! The result would be that the Chareidim would have much greater power in Israel. Better to do like the U.S, who keep the blacks from prospering - thus limiting their power. At least from a secular perspective. Better to whine about the blood sucking charedi leaches, than to whine about the rich selfish one dimensional charedim who are too powerful to beat. btw, Tali - you are not a spokesman for anybody with a brain.

One cannot be Haredi and LEumi at the same time the are two ideological streams that conflict with each other if you are "Chared Lidvar Hashem" you cannot support a supposed Jewish state that allows Chillul Shabbos and Sale of Pig, never mind all the other Torah Transgressions that the state has an active involvement in and supports. Anyone who considers themselves Hardal can consider themselves Chardal all they like but it doesn't take away from the fact that - If you support the State of Israel and you Celebrate it's establishment than you are NOT HAREDI

he would have sent you manna by now. even in 17th century Poland, nobody studied torah for a living. maybe they taught for a living, but nobody was a professional student.

It is quite a challenge for me, as I dress extremely modestly (and love doing so), but no way do I want to give the impression of me and our family, as being chareidi. When in chutz la'aretz, however, I dress exactly the same, but couldn't care less what label I'm 'assigned' in jewish/religious neighbourhoods. Completely meaningless status there, to me at any rate.

'Avoda' in that Mishna means tfilla (prayer) NOT work. What I think Tali is trying to argue is that rather than close to 100% learning (which is the Charedi norm today), we should have the best x% learning and the rest should be supporting them. If that's her argument, she's right. What's currently going on in the Charedi world is not sustainable in the long term. How many avreichim are spending how many hours of their day running from Gmach to Gmach to keep their families afloat.? Can they really concentrate on learning? Is EVERY avreich worthy of community support? As a learner/earner in a Charedi neighborhood, I cannot even count how many stories like the one Tali tells I hear every week, each one asking for money at the end. I can't keep up with it and neither can the community. BUT Torah is our life and we owe it to ourselves to produce Torah scholars for the next generation. The current system is designed to produce mediocrity and to keep boys in Yeshiva long past the point where they want to be there. Look at the future Gdolim who are in their 40's and 50's today. How many of them came up through "the system" in Israel? Answer: Almost none. # 27 and #39 Hareidi - The last I checked the definition of Charedi is "HeChareid l'dvar Hashem." As far as I know, that means anyone for whom keeping and learning Torah is the number one priority in life. It has NOTHING to do with whether one 'celebrates' the State or allows one's picture to appear on the Internet. And by the way, if you think that someone whose picture appears on the Internet cannot be Charedi, you can't be Charedi either or you'd be in cherem for being on the Internet.

Tali Fartsquash is -under- haredi for you ?? WHAT ARE YOU DOING READING INTERNET ?????????? The filthiest of the filthiest -horror ! And YNET ?????? OMG ! You don't even rate as high as hardalim , frechim and shababnikim ! Apart from your lack of zniut using this media YOU HAVA A PIECE OF A LASHON HARA MY DEAR I DON'T WISH ON ANYONE ON EARTH

REMEMBER SEDOM AND GEMORRAH REMEMBER CAANAN THE 'ONE G'D OF ISRAEL DESTROYED THEM ((((((((((ITS SHEVUOT TIME )))))))))) DACON9

....its clear that the whole system has become welfare barely shrouded in Torah Judaism. Most are leaches, but there are some true scholars As a secular person, I too would not mind if a select few were paid to study all day. But the rest need to feed their families and serve in the army (which we all know dear Tali was "so out of here" on that one). The system needs to monitor itself and produce men and woman that produce for the State and for society's needs. Calling this Torah Judiasm is a mischaracterization. Its welfare.

You can't support the State of Israel, you pig?? I don't care what you are, Haredi, Hardal ... you need to go live somehwere else.

We the Torah observant Jews are such a minority of a minority of a tiny minority why do you feel the need to divide us further? Chareidi means [God] fearing. You can fear God and still celebrate 5 of Iyar or as I know many Chareidim in NY do, celebrate 4th of July. Hardal sees the creation of the state of Israel as Reshit Geulateinu. If you disagree, I strongly suggest you review Yechezkel 37 - first the bones are gathered (kibuth galuyot) then comes the flesh (a strong state) and then the Ruach (Torah U'Mitzvoth). We have completed steps 1 and 2. If we Torah observant Jews unite we can accomplish the third. If we keep dividing ourselves furtehr we will remain a tiny irrelevant minority.

40 hours per week.

I realy dont mean anything bad. she has The God(g-d) face. *** If I was King of Israel ! you know, I am a fake King. If I was King of Israel today, SHE WAS YOUR FIRST LADY IN A MOMENT. Believe me. I didnt write on her article because I dont want to give her hard time. If I had two lives, I would give one of it away for her. well, lets correct what I said. *** MY FIRST LOVE IS MY DOUGHTER. 9 YEARS OLD. *** I like Tali's face. But, I see her heart too. I am a special boy. I see many things. I am not an angle. But, I like Tali. If Tali leaves here ! which Ynet is my everything ! maybe I leave Ynet. I dont know. I LIKE HER FACE. HASHEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I NEED FRIEND AS TALI. I need cry while holding her hand. Atilla Karagözoğlu

I WANNA MEET TALI. THATS ALL I WANT. MAYBE I DONT NEED YOUR HELP. I AM A WARRIER. I FIND MY OWN WAY TO REACH HER. I DOINT WANT YOUR HELP. *** ITS 15.39 PM IN ISTANBUL. ISTANBUL IS ME. ISTANBUL IS DRINKING. I WANT TO HAVE A LUNCH WITH TALI IN JERUSALEM ONE HOUR. I LOVE MYYNET. *** Atilla Karagözoğlu

TALI IS CLEAN. TALI IS AN ANGLE. AND I AM OKEY. ı AM AN ANGEL TOO. I WANT HASHEM HELPS. Atilla karagözoğlu

I WANT TO MEET TALI. TELL HER NO HELP...NO ATILLA. I WONT BE HER SON ANYMORE.

But one hour talk ! than you see me I always win :) Atilla Karagözoğlu who will help me for MY DREAM ? who is MY SUPPORTERS. who is with me ! no matter how stupid I am ?

I AM 200 % serıous. publısh my talı posts. ATİLLA kARAGÖZOĞLU

I am married. I got a 9 years old doughter. how can I get married with TALI ? Hashem knows how. I realy dont know. THAT MUST BE A WAY. BUT, MY WIFE IS KIND OF TALI. SHE HAS ALMOST SAME BEAUTY. THEY CAN BE SISTERS AND GOOD FRIENDS. SURE I AM THE HUSBUND BOTH. who I am ? Atilla Karagözoğlu

I am Atilla Karagözoğlu. I own the ynet :) He thinks he is boss. I am the boss I am the boss. I like Tali. I do. Look, in three hours I will go some house who lost a grandmother. DO YOU WANT ME GO THERE AS DRUNK ? PUBLISH MY TALI POSTS.

WHO LOVES ME ? WHO RESPCT ME ? EVERBOSY KNOWS ME DRUNK , RIGHT ? THIS MEANS NO ONE WILL BLAME YOU ? I LOVE YOU YNET. DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS ALWAYS ? WOULD YOU PLEASE PUBLISH MY TALI POSTS , PLEASE :) LOOK ı DONT WRITE ONE WEEK ! YNETTTTT. I thing I am drunk. ***

look brother. Dont publish this post. in my next post I will say " WE WANT MORE TALI'S ARTICLES, WE WANT READ HER" you publish that. atila :) ynet is THE BEST OF ALL TIMES OF UNIVERSE OF MY HEART OF GREATEST EVERYTHING OF OF ...:)

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