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Bill reserving JNF land for Jews only passes preliminary hearing
Amnon Meranda
Published: 18.07.07, 17:55
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31. There is something misleading in the subject
Omri ,   Israel   (07.18.07)
JNF lands are 18% of the national land. They were bought by Jews long before the establishment of Israel, and were meant for Jews to settle in. When Israel was established the JNF lands were given to it. In return, Israel promised that the lands will remain with their original purpose- for Jews to settle. This is not racism but merely official fulfillment of an old agreement. the other 82% can be inhabited by anyone. Moreover, there is nothing that prohibits arabs from living in the JNF lands, only from buying them.
32. JEWISH National Fund!!
Reality Check ,   BaGolan   (07.18.07)
Get it? If the Arabs weren't so busy using money to finance qassams and homicide bombers, they could buy land too!
33. #5 Juan
R. Alkalai ,   USA   (07.18.07)
Juan, I am a Spanish- Egyptian Jew. Part of my family, along with many other Jewish families, were butchered by their Egyptian neighbors, and had their property, house, and land taken from them- for being Jews. The few that survived, fled with only the clothes on their backs. The other half of my family were Spanish Jews- hence the name Alkalai. They were tortured in the Spanish Inquisition (by a Christian denomination-the Catholics), and had to flee-once again having everything they owned confiscated, simply for being Jews. They fled to Romania and Bulgaria, only to end up in Nazi concentration camps- because they were Jews. And you have a question about Human Rights? What exactly do you not understand about Jews owning their homeland where they can survive and not be persecuted for being Jews? In Israel, Christians do own land and have freedom of worship- which is more than what Spain, Europe, and the ME allowed the Jews. Can Jews buy land in the Vatican? In Mecca? Gaza? No. There are Arabs who kill other Arabs if they sell a Jew land, or a house within the State of Israel. What is interesting is your own hatred of Jews. Is it by birth and therefore herditary, is it by faith, therefore a personal choice?
34. to #21 JSM
ezra   (07.18.07)
I also use to give to JNF until I read that 1/3 of their money is forwarded to arab dvelopment in Israel and they hired an arab director. Now I only give to the last guys really redeeming the land of Israel : http://www.trees4yesha.org
35. Jew PAID for the land, which was for JEWS ONLY!
Nannette ,   London   (07.18.07)
When money was donated, the receipts stated that the land purchased would be for Jews in perpetuity. I did write asking for refunds of all money donated from my family, if any of the land were given to the Arabs. The amount from my great grandparents, grandparents, and parents, with interested amounted to millions of pounds. Many others did the same - and if Israel has to refund money for a written promise that was broken, they'd be bankrupt, because it would cost them tens of billions of pounds.
36. My gosh how racist
Chris ,   UK   (07.18.07)
and yet Zionists preach multi-culturalism in every other part of the World?
37. PURE RACISM
Isragirl   (07.18.07)
no matter what excuses you can cough up for it. I don't care how the world sees it. It's our Jewish neshama that is burning from this decision...
38. #31 - it's a racist agreement
(07.18.07)
before racism was an official word or before it was considered a bad thing...
39. A bill is not a Law.
Jake   (07.18.07)
Both sides of the debate here are assuming that a law has been passed here. This is completely false. As things stand at the moment, the JNF cannot discriminate between Jews and Arabs in land leasings.
40. Re #36: What religion are you Chris?
Steve ,   USA   (07.18.07)
B"H Now tell me, in your place of worship, was that purchased by congregation members of the same faith for use by those of the faith you practice? I bet so. Jews setting aside money for the Jewish faith and for Jews to practice their religion on the land purchased is no different. It is not at all racist, but a general world-wide practice.
41. Racist Chris (36) from UK
sk ,   USA   (07.18.07)
"36. My gosh how racist and yet Zionists preach multi-culturalism in every other part of the World?" Your use of the word "Zionist" in this context shows that you hate Jews. Case closed, honey. BTW, I happen to be a Jooo, and I NEVER preach multiculturalism.
42. #1 No, in arab countries it is NOT punishable by death
(07.18.07)
Citizens have equal rights in the arab countries; regradless of their religion. The norm is no more norm in Israel.
43. JNF
(07.18.07)
why is the head of the JEWISH National fund not Jewish?!?!
44. Hold the presses! Isragirl gets spiritual! (37)
sk ,   USA   (07.18.07)
"It's our Jewish neshama that is burning from this decision... " Golly what bunk, and you couldn't find any justification for this comment anywhere in Tanakh. Isragirl, most of the time, you're sensible enough for a leftist. But the moment you hear the word "racist" you become temporarily lobotomized. Do you like being so easily manipulated? I'll put the matter clearly in the unlikely event that I can have an effect. 1. Muslims want to take over Israel. 2. If they do, they will kill or subjugate you. 3. While it is great that you live in Israel, it is irresponsible for you to collaborate with any effort to prevent Israel from being available for future Jews in want or in need. 4. Based on work done by a number of scholars, especially Bat Ye'or, soon Europe will be too dangerous for Jews. It is irresponsible for you to cut them off from Israel. 5. JNF is designed to secure the land of Israel for Jews. If you think this is unnecessary, then Israel as Jewish state is unnecessary. If you believe that, would you please "descend" along with Arab traitors like Tibi?
45. Yeah, #42, and the moon is made of green cheese.
sk ,   USA   (07.18.07)
46. to # 24 cr@p came out of your mouth only..
Rami ,   Nazareth, Israel   (07.18.07)
not sure what exactly in my previous post offended you! I was simply stating a fact. It is because of people like you; Iran is getting more and more followers.. Wake up and stop supporting terrorism
47. Racist Bill!
Shimon Z. Klein ,   Bat Chefer, Israel   (07.18.07)
The bill is racist. It is an attempt to take away the rights of Israeli Arabs to purchase land in the land of their birth. It is a disgrace to a country that claims to be the only democracy in the Middle East and is against racism. Apparently, racism against Israeli Arab citizens is not considered racism but patriotism towards Greater Israel. However if Jews were not permitted to buy property in the Diaspora, there would be a hue and cry of anti-Semitism! This is no different!
48. #41,42 is the motive here religious or ethnic?
(07.18.07)
in other words are Jews ethnic or religious group? a Jew can not be a true Jew unless bon to Jew. Even a convert Jew is considered a Torah observent not a Jew; Jessus himself is considered so by some Jews. Zionism was cnsidered racial discrimination by the UN. So, Is Zionism Political ?
49. To # 5
Shimmon ,   Tzfat   (07.18.07)
My friend you see JNF stands for Jewish national Fund this money is raised from private people whom donate money to buy land in Israel for Jews. No one is forced to sell $$ talks BS walks. These Arab MK arent telling the truth. If christains form a CNL Christian National Land fund they can buy all they can get it a free society. So can the Arabs. But the JNF has the right to buy and give without Gov. intervention. thats why its called the JNF and it's private $$. Arabs will kill any arab whom sells to a Jew or Christian it's a law of theirs. so don't tell me about Democracy or Racism this shoe really dosent fit. Shimmonster
50. #48, I don't respond to no-names.
sk ,   USA   (07.18.07)
51. #33
Juan ,   Spain   (07.18.07)
I am highly offended by your suggestion that I am a Jew hater. You have read something into my posting which is not there. I was interested by your posting though. I am well aware of how Spain have treated various religions over the centuries. They don't welcome us evangelicals much now!
52. Apparently racism has to be rehabilitated as a concept. (47)
sk ,   USA   (07.18.07)
The Lefties are coming out of the wood work on this one, aren't they? Like Isragirl, Shimon and all other lefties are easily manipulated the moment someone pushes the right buttons. The key button is "racism." Are they really too stupid to understand that this is just rhetorical manipulation designed to fool them into giving up the Jewish heritage? Most likely. Does the 21st Century Rambam (Shimon) really assert that Israeli Arabs cannot purchase land in Israel? That's, of course, flatly wrong. Does Shimon also oppose the Law of the Return? That is actually far more "racist" as it is done by government. I am convinced that this is one reason Jews have been killed so often in history. They're smart enough to piss people off, but not smart enough to advance their own self-interest.
53. While #24 is usually full of cr@p, Rami is this time (46)
sk ,   USA   (07.18.07)
So, Rami, you really think that Muslims (in this case Iranians) need li'l ol' Israel (or some Jew from New York) to get "followers" when they propose to kill infidels? Oh, you like living under the PA? You must be the last Christian on your block. Learning about dhimmitude firsthand, eh?
54. #5 well said, what about Muslims, a much greater minority
(07.18.07)
55. #50 and that's not racism from a Jew
(07.18.07)
56. Horible
(07.18.07)
You are people not to be trusted , cheaters , killers , fanatics , racists , land stealers , haters to anything not Jew laiers , no wounder that you never had peace till now .... and still you don't learn ... who can trust such people , you are increasing your enemies all the time till one day you will never know from where and from who will be your next disaster which will separate you all again ... it's written that this should happen .
57. sk # 53 and reading comprehention
Rami ,   Nazareth, ISRAEL   (07.18.07)
It is clearly stated in my post that I live in ISRAEL, not sure how you interpreted that as living under PA!!! I hope you are not just another one of those terrorists who does not think Israel has the right to exist!!
58. fantastik!
joe ,   usa   (07.18.07)
59. Which part don't you understand in "JEWISH national fund"!!!
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (07.18.07)
To all Leftisto-hypocrites: the Muslim religious leadership has issued countless fatwas both in Israel and abroad against land sales to Jews! Why are Muslims allowed to be racist? It is the Muslim racism and segregation that created the JNF! Are you so stupid to even think that money and land coming from JEWISH donors and other JEWISH sources can and will be used for non-Jews? The fund is JEWISH, not Muslim. It is like Jews or Christians asking for money from a Muslim Charity! Do you honestly think that Jews will see any money or land coming from a Muslim Charity? If yes, prove it now. If not, shut up and look for trouble elsewhere.
60. #42: Equal rights for non-Muslims in Muslim countries? HAHA!
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (07.18.07)
Do you think that we do not know what's going on in Muslim "paradises" with all related to human rights and citizen equality? Tell me Mr. No Name: HOW MANY CHURCHES have been built by Christians in Saudi Arabia? HOW MANY CHURCHES have been built in Taliban's Afghanistan? How many Churches have been built in Iran, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.? While some of the Muslim contries may be a bit more "relaxed" with the citizen's rights, non muslims are basically non persons there - just like the Quran says. Any non-muslim religious activity in Saudi Arabia is punishable by death. Foreigners who broke this law were usually deported immediately, not executed - not out of love, but out of the Saudi fear not to antagonize the US, UK or Germany. In Muslim Countries non-Muslims are kept in ghettos "for their own protection" and segregated against forever. nad let's not talk even about women's rights in Muslim countries! Don't try to sell us the Muslim/Arab "equal rights". There is no such a thing in the Muslim vocabulary, not for non-Muslims and as we see lately not even for the Muslims themselves! Look what "equality" and the "norm" you're speaking of has made out of Lebanon and its non-muslims! We do not need THAT "norm" thankyou!
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