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Bill reserving JNF land for Jews only passes preliminary hearing
Amnon Meranda
Published: 18.07.07, 17:55
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61. #56 - yes, Muslim racism, terror and lies are HORRIBLE!
The Doc ,   Haifa, Israel   (07.18.07)
No wonder that you are still analphabets (your post is a fine example of that), live in the Dark Ages, terrorize your women and aim to keep them uneducated, mutilate your girls and incite to racism and terror against non-Muslims and call for Genocide of other peoples. Should I add your constant call for Jihad to convert the whole world into a Caliphate and either convert or kill the "non believers"? You even kill each other claiming that the your Moon God is better that the other gan'sg Moon God (Allah). You cannot be trusted and you cannot trust each other! No wonder you gain enemies and meet resistance all the time. You will be defeated and forced to go back under the rocks from where you came from in the first place. "It's written that this should happen."
62. Rami, 1/4 point for you.
sk ,   USA   (07.18.07)
I somehow remembered Bethlehem even though I read Nazareth. I notice, though, that you ignore my main point. In addition, Nazareth is majority Muslim now. Bet that's fun--even in Israel.
63. Arabs Have No Qualms.
Dave Levy ,   Burbank. CA USA   (07.18.07)
It's called quid pro quo. If Jews cannot buy land in Arab village, towns and cities within Israel then teh same should apply to Arabs. The restrictions against Jews in other countries seems somewhat irrelevant to me. Israel is a democracy after all. But, it appears that whenever it's a Jew vs Arab-Israeli problem, anything against Arab interests is deemed rascist. If the JNF land was purchased by Jews, and is private property, they should determine who can purchase lots. If I were Israel I would put pressure on illegal Arab construction..in a democracy the majority counts. And the Arabs are not yet in a majority..but they are growing. Food for thought. If a PALs state, let some Arab areas become part of the 2nd PALs state., and be done with it. Israel's vocal leftists are killing the county, piece by piece.
64. Arab MK's are full of crap!
Adam ,   USA   (07.18.07)
They call this racism Israel is only doing what it must in order to keep a Jewish majority in the land that was developed by the Jews themselves. The Arabs didn't help them develop the land into fruitful arable land that can be used for farming or building cities on top of swamp and marsh land it was the Jews! The Arabs only fought with them and initiated countless numbers of wars with Israel! Pass the bill and you should also pass one that say s to kick out the arab "citizens" as they do not appreciate Israel at all and root and vote against it all the time! Throw them out and see how they like it in another arab country. Besides if they call this racism what do they call arab nations not allowing Jews to even go there let alone purchase or rent property and practice their religion freely? I guess that's what they call democracy lol! These Arabs make me sick.
65. JNF was buying land in 1901, from Ottoman Khalifs
Nannette ,   London   (07.18.07)
They didn't mind Jews buying land, after all Jews had been buying land in the holy sites for over a century before the JNF started. The Arabs were happy to sell land to Jews, mostly at inflated prices. The land was for giving homeless Jews in the middle east, somewhere to live. And during the Arab persecutions of Jews, they came and lived on that land that wasn't stolen, nor won in wars, but was PAID for. Now, you antisemites, would you let a complete stranger come and live in a house that you PAID for, so you could keep it for your family? Tens of BILLIONS of dollars (in todays money) were collected from hard working, mostly poor Jews, who wanted their brethren to have a better life than they. Would any Christian (including Catholic), or Muslim lands be allowed to be handed over to Jews? Of course not!
66. By your definition, ALL Muslims & Christians are racist!
Nannette ,   London   (07.18.07)
ALL Jews are Zionist. It's part of the Bible. By your definition then, Catholicism is racist because it identifies with the Vatican. Islam is racist because it identifies with Mecca, etc...
67. #61 and that is also not racism
(07.18.07)
68. Don't the Pali's kill anyone who sells
Joe ,   Ohio, USA   (07.18.07)
land to a Jew? Liars and hypocrites. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Add the law to your Constitution.
69. To 60
(07.18.07)
Doc or Dog you mean ? ...lol... you have no idea to whom you speake ... first of all i am not Moslem , i am a real Christian and this is just to shut your dirty mouth and leave the Moslems out our discution ..... i am from one of the most civilized democratic countries in the world in Europe not even in the middle east and still i will not change my opinion about you and this the opinion of most of the people in Euorpe ... feel a shame of your self after bienig boycotted from most the Acadimies and trade rooms in Europe , you are not welcome in most of the world , what you are trying to defend .... you have no chance ... your crimes can nit be counted anymore ... if you have time read this and sea the ugly face you have . http://www.deathmasters.com/ did you hear once a Moslem or a Christian says God is ours ?? you are the only people who say that God is yours or God of Israel .... what else can show how racist you are more than this ... feel ashame .. and repare your ugly face and your dirty mouth .... you are spying on your best friends ... you remeber Pollard ?? you bite the hands which feeded you and protectd you till now ... you see who you are ?? ... and can you imagin with my bad English i could lead you to go out of your nerves ... what you would do if my English would be better ... you would go out of your clothes .... loooool ... feel ashame .
70. #47
(07.18.07)
i think you miunderstand the bill. the bill only affects land that has been purchased by the jnf. the jnf owned these lands and transfered them to the israeli government in 1948. the lands were purchased with the sole purpose of providing land for jews in israel. there is no plot to have the jnf buy up all the land in israel so that arabs can't live there. in fact, you can't even "buy" land in the state of israel. israel "leases" out its land to citizens (including arabs). this bill only proposes that land that was donated by the jnf be used for the purpose that it was intended for.
71. Rami Nazareth is partly right
Jake   (07.19.07)
First off, this is only a bill; the law says that JNF lands, while intended for use by Jews, cannot legally exclude Arabs. It's just like saying, you have the Jewish Community Center all over U.S.; it's character is Jewish, it is intended for use by Jews, it IS Jewish, but it does not and cannot exclude gentiles from membership. Even synagogues would not turn away well-intentioned gentiles at the door who agree to respect the character of the place. It is is a great sin for us to forget that there are many Israeli non-Jews, e.g. Druze, Cherkessians, Beduin, Christians, Russian 1/4 Jews, etc. who have literally spilled their blood for the Jewish state. For example, the Druze soldier Madhat Yosef, the LAST DEFENDER of Joseph's tomb in Nablus, BLED TO DEATH as negociations between Israel and Arafat to evacuate him failed. This man was an exalted hero of Israel. Are we saying, the bereaved family of Yosef should not be able to buy or rent land from the JNF, but some anti-Zionist draft-dodging boycott-supporting "refusenik" or Haredi that hangs a black flag on Israeli independence day should have this right? It is a grievous sin to deny to those non-Jewish Israelis who have taken it upon themselves to interwine their lives and destiny to that of Israel and the Jewish people, the full rights and benefits that Israel has to offer. Rami Nazareth, may I also say how much I appreciate how you have reached out to us on a daily basis on these forums.
72. 69. With that hateful diatribe you "claim" to be European?
Nannette ,   London   (07.19.07)
LOL, that's hilarious! Only a village idiot talks like that, and seeing as there's hardly any villages left in Europe, you're obviously Muslim! They're the only ones that have a diatribe of filth when the truth hits them in the face. And you pretend to be civilised! That's just hilarious! LOLOLOL
73. Amazing what the Censor DOES let pass (#69)
sk ,   USA   (07.19.07)
Notice that filth like #69 don't even dare to use pen names. They never want to risk being accountable in any way for what they write. Because what they write is anti-Semitic, Ynet approves, for it advances "free speech." Of course, just because #69 claims to be "a real Christian" it doesn't follow that this is true. As Mo says, "war is deceit." In addition, the usage "dog" is very Islamic (Mo hated dogs but loved cats). And, #56 seems to have been written by the same fellow. So, I say #69 is a liar regarding his identity. But Christians (probably, in this case, Greek Orthodox?) have their nasty anti-Semites too, of course. #69 shows for the millionth time that one cannot deal reasonably with pure evil (by which I mean True Islam). It came from an evil "prophet" and it retains that influence.
74. Jake (71): strawman
sk ,   USA   (07.19.07)
C'mon, we both know that there is a longstanding plan, partly bankrolled by Arabia, for Muslims to build all over the state of Israel, legally or illegally. Your extended comment regarding a Druze soldier is utterly irrelevant, as (1) the Druze are not the ones who are being fended off by this bill, and (2) the Druze are totally integrated into Israel, including in the IDF. If the bill really does as little as you say, then ALL support for the JNF and, actually, most Jewish charities should be ended. That this threat is real is the only reason the JNF is getting worried.
75. Israel, the only democracy in the middle east
ezrach muda'g   (07.19.07)
buhahahahahaha... ... :(
76. Horible [sic] #56
sk ,   USA   (07.19.07)
Well, as we now know, #56 is probably written by the same person as #69. What a great pair of TBs. #56/69, your hatred of Jews is why we need Israel. And, typically, your complaints about the Joos accurately describe the Muslims instead... For Muslims are not to be trusted & cheaters (as Mo exhorts Muslims to lie to infidels), killers (as Mo instructs that infidels should be slaughtered unless they will be subjugated or will convert to Islam), fanatics (Islam is concentrated fanaticism), racists (Islam has always especially hated Jews, as the Jews of Arabia would not bend the knee to an illiterate Bedouin who claimed to be God's last and best prophet), land stealers (Islam took others' lands by force, then denied that the others every had rightful ownership of it), and haters of anything not Muslim (the artifacts of non-Muslim civilizations were destroyed if not "religiously correct," with buildings [e.g. the Hagia Sophia] turned into mosques or befouled or destroyed; they blow up Buddhas too). The only peace that Muslims like #56 want is the peace obtained when all peoples are subjugated by Islam. There is no peace possible with a murderous ideology like yours.
77. to 72 Can you Imagin ? ... looool
(07.19.07)
78. to 70
(07.19.07)
Ask in England where you live why your acadimics boycoted the Israelins before you open your mouth .
79. to Jake: it is always heartwarming to
Rami ,   Nazareth, Israel   (07.19.07)
..hear a voice of moderation. Thank you for your post..
80. SK, what do you have a problem with?
Avraham ,   NYC   (07.19.07)
What I'm saying is honest truth. Israel, the Jewish historical homeland, is a bit over 20,000 sq kms. Tiny. Our ancestors had controlled much more. Most of the Arab states nowadays exist on the soils of various nations who were conquered by sword when Islam was spreading beyond the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century CE and thereafter. We see what happened to the Jews in the Arab lands: expelled or often encouraged to leave (and leave most properties behind). The Arabs are not looking out for our benefit. Jews have only one state, and we have to preserve its Jewish character no matter what hypocrites may have to say.
81. to #5
Brooke   (07.19.07)
Why not ask your question another way? Will the Pope sell land in Vatican City to a Jew, whether he be a spiritual Jew or a Jew from anywhere in the world? Will any of the Arab states sell a Jew land? And why is the JNF's director, Radi Safuri, an Israeli-Arab, told Ynet, "This is a racist law which was initiated by extreme rightist movements. This law does not exist in any of the democratic countries, and it harms the rights of the citizens in the State of Israel and of the Arab population in particular." HOE DARE THE JNF allow a traitor to preside over moneies earned, raised and donated by Jews for Jews. It is nobodies business where these generous people deign their money. Why isn't there the same uproar in the rest of the world over other religious charities? Oh right...its about the Jews!!! G-d bless us all and save us from our feloow Jew hating Jews too!!
82. Its The Jewish Nationa Fund - Get it...
Jack ,   USA   (07.19.07)
What seems to be the problem, why would I or any other Jew ever want to donate funds to The Jewish National Fund if any money and I mean any money goes for anyone but Jews? What is wrong with you left liberals? Let the UN and the Millions of Arabs and Muslims take care of there own, I want nothing from them. SO....
83. Let's all be friends.
Micha   (07.19.07)
Our Holy Quran makes it exactly clear that the Land of Israel belongs to the Jews by Divine Promise. See suras 2:47,7:137, 17:104, 20:80, 26:59, 45:16, 44:32, 32:23 (http://arabsforisrael.com/whoarewe.html ). All the misfortunes of Muslims and Arabs are due to our defiling our own Holy Book by attacking Israel.
84. So what look at this Picture in a Muslim land
Peter ,   Quebec, City, Quebec   (07.19.07)
http://media.canada.com/idl/ntnp/20070220/NTNP_20070220_1_A020_theislamificati_39144_MI0001.jpg
85. As a citizen
bret ,   Tel-Aviv, Israel   (07.19.07)
This is a heinous act of racism and proof that there is not a real liberal democracy in Israel. The Israeli government will stop at nothing to remove rights and protection of its minority groups. The fact that the Israeli government sold the land to the JNF without opening bids to non-Jewish enterprises and then passing a law that restricts any sale of land (which over 90% is owned by JNF) to non-Jews shows its inherent racism. There are a lot of extremely zionist Christians and Muslims that live inside of Israel and who are citizens of Israel that are not granted the opportunity to purchase land and develop their dream of living inside a "democratic" Israel, this inhibits the minority groups from obtaining equity and land trusts and keeps them economically depressed, without a dream for the future. How can any democracy tolerate this? This policy would be parallel with America restricting land sales to its Mexican or Black citizens because they are not "Amerian enough", Please do not bring up the "what about land in Arab countries", that is hogwash, if Israel is meant to be the better of the two (since we tout that we are a supposed "democracy"), then please don't stoop to the Arab nations level of prohibition and restrictions, that just proves that we are no better than their countries which are absolutely corrupt and do not respect human rights. Cardinal Jewish value: Do not punish the child for the sins of his father... So what is the sense here? To keep an oligarch control over the land of Israel which is mostly kept in the hands of very rich, very white American Jews,
86. correction
bret ,   Tel-Aviv, Israel   (07.19.07)
just under 20% of the land in pre-67 Israel is owned by the JNF, still, this is a considerable amount and will get larger as the crunch to maintain a "Jewish Occupation" over the minorities becomes ever prevelant... This is an absolute racist policy, and should not be deemed satisfactory by our "democratic" government,,,maybe a protectionist theocratic government would be better suited to award protection such as they are asking
87. About time!
Miriam ,   Israel   (07.19.07)
Only Jews should be allowed to own Israeli land.
88. To #56. Come With Proof.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (07.19.07)
You write :"it's written that this (separation) should happen ". Please tell us where that is written. Till that time we will consider this your statement to be a lie. So, please come with proof.
89. To #69. IF This Is Your Mentality.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (07.19.07)
You write :" you hear once a Muslim or a Christian say God is ours ?" You write :"... God is yours or God of Israel ". There is NOTHING wrong in saying that. Everyone, Muslim or Christian alike, can say 'O God our Lord'. Moses the Law Giver talks about 'God of Israel'. Because Jewish People say 'God of Israel' -- you consider them to be racist ?? THAT means you are considering Moses the Law Giver to be a racist. THAT means you think yourself more intelligent than Moses the Law Giver. THAT means that you think you know something which Moses the Law Giver doesn't know. IF this is your mentality -- you are NOT fit to call yourself a religious person. IF this is your mentality -- your should drown yourself -- because your life has NO value. And you call yourself 'a real Christian'. You should be ASHAMED of yourself. Conclusion : You are an actual racist -- not the Jewish People.
90. To #48
R. Alkalai ,   USA   (07.19.07)
Jews are both an ethnic and religious group. The ethnic is Hebrew- a semetic tribe, Hebrews ( Israelites) are Jews by religion- as they were, as a people, as a nation (Israel), chosen by Hashem to receive Torah. A convert may be a Jew, but not a Hebrew by blood liniage. Jesus, a Jew, and Hebrew ( Israelite) was a Rabbi. You can bet he had a Bris, kept Kosher, and was called to the Torah to become a Bar Mitzavah. It was his followers that based their belief sysytem upon him. Many of these people were Hebrew, but they were no longer Jews in their beliefs. Therefore, not Jews. As for the U.N.- How can one possibly dare to compare the U.N., or any nation, or works of humans, let alone that corrupt, biased organization, to The Word, and Commandments of G-D? Remember, G-D was actually the First Zionist. Israel is his bequeth to the Jews. That alone, goes far beyond the political. The motive is G-D's Will and obeying it.
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