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Olmert gets new grandchild
Itamar Eichner
Published: 07.09.07, 10:19
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31. Hilda , be ashamed
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.07.07)
If one of your kids adopts a child , this is also not genetically related to you . Will you not consider this as your grandchild ? Is this hypocrisy when you accept your childrens way of life ? You certainly had rejected your child if it was in the same situation as Mr Olmert's daughter .
32. To whom it may concern
eliza ,   Israel   (09.07.07)
You're only being antangonistic because it's the prime minister! There was a new baby born which deserves a mazal tov. Being gay is not a choice like it's not our choice to be straight. So be happy for them and commend them for accepting their daughter and her life partner instead of critizing them! It could happen in your family too! It's not a new found discovery you know! They're not the first or the last gay couple in these circumstances. I'm straight as they come and I understand from their angle so unless you put yourselves in other peoples shoes you can't even judge....only G-d can judge.
33. Eliza 32 I accept the birth, but not the family
Russel ,   tlv   (09.07.07)
corrupt, draft dodgers, apologists, they even shun Jewish values - AND THIS IS WHAT QUALIFIES THEM AS FIRST FAMILY OF THE JEWISH NATION? lo nachon, bmet.
34. HOW IS THIS "GRANDAUGHTER" RELATED TO OLMERT?
BILL HANDEL ,   BROOKLYN, USA   (09.07.07)
AND HOW DID THAT "LIFE PARTNER" GIVE BIRTH TO A CHILD?--I'M PUZZLED!
35. Intolerance / Hate
Laila ,   Montreal, Canada   (09.07.07)
Some of the postings show the hateful intolerance against Gays that exists even among Jews who suffered so much from intolerance ourselves. And generally it's the so called "Religious" who show the most hate.
36. King David was Gay: Respect other human beings
Liliane ,   Brighton, UK   (09.07.07)
The dehumanisation of gay people is appaling. Was that not the policy in Nazi Germany? After all it's not a choice and it's clear that King David was also gay.
37. Legalize Gay Marriage
Fortunee ,   Boston, USA   (09.07.07)
It's high time that Israel stop copying Iran, ignore the religious fanatics / Shas Party who behave like they are still in an Arab country, and legalize Gay Marriage / civil unions like in Britain, Canada, Denmark etc.
38. #32- Eliza- Gayness is not a choice?
LEE ,   NY, USA   (09.07.07)
Are you basing that statement on any empirical evidence? I know they've been researching to find a "gay gene" for the past 30 years or so and so far have come up with nothing. Physical traits are not a choice, but character traits are. My eye color, hair color, height, etc.. are genetically coded. I had no choice in them. Character inclinations might be hereditary. I could be born with a proclivity to be quick to anger, to be greedy, to be jealous, etc.. but those traits are vulnerable to my freedom of choice. They are my personal tests and its my duty to pass them. Sexual "preferences" are just that. They are choices we make and although one might have an inclination (even an extreme inclination) towards the opposite sex, he/she can work on themselves (even with the help of therapy) to at least avoid the severe transgression of homosexuality that is held to be an abomination in our Torah. Saying that homosexuality is not a choice is just a stratigic decision to unload the burden of Torah off of one's shoulders. It makes the sinner feel better about himself/herself and less guilt ridden. A thief doesn't HAVE TO steal, a murderer doesn't HAVE TO kill, and a person with homosexual tendencies doesn't HAVE TO have sex with the same gender. Its all up to choice. If I am incorrect, I'd love for you to provide me with some real evidence.
39. MAMZER IS BORN--COUNTRY CELEBRATES
ACO SHUMADINAC ,   BLA-BLA   (09.07.07)
ONLY IN ISRAEL
40. To all judgemental haters
Eric   (09.07.07)
Being homosexual is not a choice! I am one and oh! how I wish that I weren't one, because it is so hard to live as a homosexual person in this world! But there is nothing I can do to change it (I tried beleive me), and if I want to be happy I have to accept who I am. Note that only a minority of homoexuals ar promiscuous and live a 'gay' lifestyle. Most of us lead quite normal lives as respected citizens practicing all kinds of professions. We are everywhere and you don't even know it! Your son, your husband, your doctor, your grandson, your teacher, your lawyer, you next door neighbour whom you like so much...All these and more might be homosexual and you may not even know. None of my relatives and straight friends even suspect anything about me. We are not pedophiles (most pedophiles are known to be heteresexuals) . We just want to live normal lives. Please let us live.
41. Sagi, your hatred for the religious is disturbing. Get help!
freejay ,   Israel   (09.07.07)
42. mazal tov, but your grandpa is the worst PM ever!
aaron ,   ra'anana   (09.07.07)
43. Emasculate conceptions
eynav ,   stormville ny USA   (09.07.07)
Just what we need another draft dodging leftist and self hating Jew if they are Jews
44. Russel , the first family ?
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.07.07)
Is number one not our President ? and number two the president of the Knesseth ? And if so , what is our PM guilty [ if there can be some guilt , i reject this of course ] of the behaviour of his daughter ?
45. To # 6 , Favella Keren
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.07.07)
Go back to our beautyfull values ? those you brought from your favella ? If you had stayed there , we would got rid of decadent # 1 . When will you see my ID card with my land of birth ? A west European country of course .
46. Joseph P. Yeroushalaim 3rt try
charles ,   petach tikva   (09.07.07)
I speak Yiddish too . I always heard , from all kind of Jews , religious or not : Di solst houbben assach naches fin dain ainikel . Never was there said : Yiddishes naches . Your grandchildren don't need to have a family according to religious Jewish laws , they need loving parents and grandparents .
47. #32
Ram ,   London   (09.07.07)
What you are really saying is that you don't believe in the Bible. Everyone who believes in the bible will find it to be an abomination. So do many others who do not. This poor child will probably grow up to be confused and ridiculed by his contemporaries. Especially in Israel!
48. Are they moving to Sderot?
Micha   (09.07.07)
courtesy of their Jew-hating parents? This is the ultra-liberal daughter isn't it who is completely against Jews holding their own land? Hmmmm....interesting.
49. Israel becoming an immoral nation
John ,   London,UK   (09.07.07)
My Jewish friends tell me gays and lesbians are actually prohibited in their holy books. Then I read this news. This is the dept of Israeli depravity. How can a serving Prime Minister have an illegitimate granddaughter. Prime Minster's daughter Dana is a lesbian and she is having an affair with another woman Ben Zvi. Ben Zvi slept with another man and got pregnant. How on earth can child conceived through worst type of adultry be proudly accept by Israeli leader as his granddaughter. I thought according to Torah, God banned lesbians and gays. How come Israeli nation which claims to be following the commandments from Torah be openly celebrating sin? World is indeed coming to an end, at least for Israel. If Israel carries on this immoral path, God will let its enemies destroy her.
50. Hilarious
Shalom   (09.07.07)
It's like saying I'm a grandfather because the my son's sister-in-law had a baby! There is no biological connection whatsoever
51. Not Newsworthy at all
USAPatriot ,   Redmond, Oregon   (09.07.07)
I read the first few lines and that was enough. How sad that this "lifestyle" is shoved into the mainstream and beyond. Just more garbage from the Olmert family and fodder for the ilamofacists! It is a choice to live this way.
52. Silly me I always thought it was Olmert...
Persian CAT   (09.07.07)
who was the lesbian if the family.
53. mazal tov for non-kosher, what if the true father's not Jew
observer   (09.07.07)
the secular Jews are still Jews, aren't they!
54. Congratulations!
Israeli guy ,   Israel   (09.07.07)
Would the bigots in the forum please shut up.
55. The Olmerts are now the Cheney's of the Middle East.
jan ,   usa   (09.07.07)
56. Not to worry, Marcel will blame GW,Rice, Livini,& us stupid
Jewish people ,   for this!!!!   (09.07.07)
57. olmerts family-a sad situation
de sterix   (09.07.07)
in the age we live in the children of normal parents can have a hard enough battle to grow up soundminded thanks to all the peer pressure and garbage called entertainment but when both the parents are dysfunctional the kids dont stand a chance to get off on the right footing.-what we see is prophetic for our time where israels leader is called a baby and that women rule over us.(isaiah 3:12)
58. John , you are retarded
charles ,   petach tikva , Israe   (09.07.07)
Why should Mrs Ben Zvi have to sleep with a man to get pregnant ? are you so attarded in your country that you don't know that there is something called in vitro fertilisation ? Hold your dark middle ages religious opinions for your non Jewish alikes
59. #24 So true, but just don't talk about it, do something!!!
kick out this phill- ,   istine wanna be.   (09.07.07)
60. who is considered a parent
chaim ,   miami beach usa   (09.07.07)
After I had analyzed what is the true statues of the infant, the adult that will raise this child from infancy to maturity, The Olmarts , their Daughter their Daughters “Life Partner” and just what is the Infant, is it a Mamzer, is it just a person that has no Yichus in the am Yisrael (a person without any Jewish heritage) According to strict basic Torah Law the person or persons that undertake to raise any child from infancy is considered as his/her family. According to scriptures (Kabbala) Joseph’s the son of Israel (Yaakov) wife was born to his Sister Dinah but since the Egyptian Potifera she is identified as his daughter. Sarah, Leah, Ruchael, our matriarchs gave their female servants to their respective husbands with the intent that any child born from such union will be considered as their own because they will be nurtured and raised by them. does this child have a Jewish Heritage meaning can he be considered as a decedent of any of the 12 tribes of Israel, the answer is NO as to claim such distinction it must have been born by and through a proper Chuppa and Kidushin. The only question that may be of some importance is this child a Mamzer. For that we have to establish was the birth mother a duly married woman to any Jewish man and is still bound to him prior to her conceiving this child, that is the only way which we can establish is it a Mamzer or not. I do not think there is any person except the birth mother who can answer that. So we must accept and acknowledge that this child is Jewish period. And to the pundits who are arguing the meaning of Naches be it Jewish, bit Chiloni, or any other combination, the meaning of Naches is having a loving warm feeling towards that person as such emotion never ceases be it his natural child or adopted or even if born without his parents ever getting formerly or even informally married it is simply a meaning of love and affection. Shaana Tova
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