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Olmert on neo-Nazi gang: We failed as society
Ronny Sofer
Published: 09.09.07, 17:35
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31. #19 Nonsense
ralphsrant1 ,   USA   (09.09.07)
Israel is a Jewish Country not a Israeli country so excuse me for expressing my right as a Jew my opinions.. If they are covered by the law of return they they are in some part Jewish. Israel needs all the Jewish population possible. If they used fraud to get in fine throw them out, but if not and they are at least part Jewish the education system failed and so did society there. Make them proud Jews and Israeli's Just like the issues with gangs in the US society failed them. http://ralphsrant1.blogspot.com/
32. And Yes Olmert is an Idiot.
Phoenix ,   Israel   (09.09.07)
Weak and disgusting leftist selfhater piece of crap.
33. The Russians in Israel know who these people are
Robert   (09.09.07)
If they wanted to, they could denounce them. Where are THEIR loyalties?
34. Chief Rabbis are right
Barry ,   NY   (09.09.07)
Now we see how we absolutely can't afford any relaxation in standards defining who is a Jew. We must not risk allowing such criminals to enter our country or to become part of our religion.
35. Why is it
Steve ,   Atlanta USA   (09.09.07)
that the United States is more strict with Nazis than Israel? This isn't complicated or sensitive. They aren't Jews and don't deserve to live in Israeli society, enjoying the same protections, advantages, and privileges as Holocaust survivors and brave Israeli soldiers. Quit wringing your hands. Deport the scum Nazis and be done with it.
36. FROM vs ARE
a Jew from RUSSIA ,   Israel   (09.09.07)
First, I do not believe that those gyes are Jews at all. Secondly, do not use expessions like "russians Jews", but ruther "Jews form Russia", since nobody acuses Jews from Morroco, Iran or Irak for their Islamic countries of origion. Thirdly, I do for what other people have said. Namely, we have to pay more attention to those potntial "to-be olim" who have problems in their Jewish identaty. At last, I bleme ALL of YOU so to speak Jews, who sent to hell their FAITH; who sent to hell the RELIGION of their fathers; who wanted to be like WESTERNS. By the way, you wanted to live in Western democrasy? Here you are. Eat it!!! But don't blame ALL people in YOURS faults! End. To be FROM russia and to BE Russians their are polar deffinitions. Do you catch this?!
37. This happened within a political and historical context
Jake T ,   Alaska   (09.09.07)
which includes the struggle by the Leftists to turn Israel into a socialist multicultural society. Anything that reminds them of Judaism, starting with Shtetl culture, Yiddish language, Judaism, and then continuing with Zionism and Jewish values - all that the Leftist seculars have been cheerfully destroying. 99% of the blame for the existence of Nazism in Israel lies on the shoulders of the secular Left. Their shameful record speaks for itself. From their own demographic selection during WW2 regarding which Jews were preferable as immigrants into Palestine, all the way to setting up the country's administration (a Soviet-inspired executive and legislative with self-perpetuating courts of justice), and continuing with pro-Arab, pro-secular, anti-Jewish administrative policies. Their hatred of Judaism has morphed into hatred of Israel itself. The cherry on the cake is the way in which they are robbing the Jews of Israel of their land and handing it over to the enemy without a fight. Since demographics are against the seculars, they have resorted to desperate measures. They import Christian Russians; they look the other way at the infiltration by Arabs and other minorities into the country; they harass nationalist Jews in Yesha; they actually expel the "wrong" Jews from their homes into the thousands, so as to break their spirit and weaken their resolve. They try to de-Judeize education and entire communities such as the Yemenite. Their hatred knows no bounds. It is secular Jews who are the most vocal, the most active and the most hateful enemies of Israel these days. They use positions of influence in the media, government, academia, finance and every place in society, to attack the right of Jews to live in Israel and defend themselves. The reason there's so much anti-Semitism is that the seeds planted by those Jews have flourished in the already hostile soil of the West. The war against Judaism in Israel is wearing down the country and dismembering it. In only 60 years the survivors of the Shoah are facing an Israel that has been taken over by forces that are foreign to them. They are the Americans, the Arabs, the Secular Jews. Israel is above all a refuge for persecuted Jews. If it does not fulfill this very basic requirement, then it is a failed state. Seculars have no business pushing Judaism aside. I wonder what business do they have living in Israel at all.
38. Olmert MUST GO
Hinda ,   San Francisco   (09.09.07)
Olmert, you failed as a leader with your appeasing and your cowardice. You failed as an Israeli in failing to listen to people and proper soldiers. You failed as someone who is truly weak and would be better being a token Jew in Mecca. In other words, Olmert, Please Leave. Hinda Bat Simcha
39. #31 listen Ralph...
Phoenix ,   Israel   (09.09.07)
You do not understand. You are talking this way cause you do not live in the flesh this problems. You are talking from your nice safe home in america. So give me a break. Russians want to scape from Russia many of them lie to come here. I meet may of this criminals, they pay to obtain papers showing their grandfather was jewish. When they come here they are Proud Non Jews christians. Most of Russians hate to be here and hate the jewish people. This beast are only the absolute reflection on the errors of the law of return. This men Are neonazi and jewish haters because they are NOT Jews... Get it???? Why is so hard for you to see. A real Jew is not an antisemite... This Russians Are not Jewish Antisemites infiltrated in our land. All the stupid leftist cannot understand this truth. The law of return must be changed and yet... Each Aliah aplication must be examine deeply. I'm sure you are a reform jew or something like that. Real jews do not want antisemites in the Holly Land.
40. More accurate to say the Soviet system failed everyone
5th generation ,   Israel   (09.09.07)
Pre-Soviet immigrants from that area of the world BUILT Israel, not only without infrastructure, but in the midst of starvation and constant challenges from Arabs. Newer immigrants have been poisoned, even if they could still be considered "Jews" in any way. The self-fulfilling paranoia alone has caused more damage than Hizbollah and Hamas combined.
41. Vote on the Jerusalem Post poll
Kim   (09.09.07)
The J. Post has a poll regarding the expulsion of these Nazis. So far the results are only 58% in favor. Let's make it 99%!!!!
42. #22 Way to go Craig---Keep bringing the truth!!!!!
not afraid of ,   charles   (09.09.07)
43. #29 charlei, "Go into ALL the world and PREACH THE GOOD NEWS
Rebecca ,   Israel   (09.09.07)
Nowhere in that statement does it say except for ynet.com cause it might offend that atheist charlie. Nor does it say it must be done in a building surrounded by walls. When Yashua was alive, he did very little teaching & preaching in temple. And besides we don't take orders from you. You are only a trans plant Jew.
44. How about sharing a cell with a HAMASnik for 15 years?
meir elazar   (09.09.07)
Hopefully they will be sharing a cell with Hamasniks or the worst of criminals in Israeli prisons. Possibly released once in a while to be used as human shields for some operation. Eventually they should be returned to Russia where I am sure the Russians will find a proper solution for them.
45. phoenix
Dima   (09.09.07)
So what do you propose? Make law of return only for people with Jewish mothers and those who have converted to Judaism? I agree with you that something need to be done... My idea would be to change the law of return. But i think that people with a direct Jewish relative should be able to come to Israel(mother and father) I would scrap the idea of a grandfather.. But Israel as a state need to recognise all the people with Jewish fathers as Jews too.. I just dont see a difference to some who have a Jewish mother or a Jewish father
46. Olmert: history is important for Zionists, but
(09.09.07)
those little bastards, who needs that neo- prefix!
47. Israel Didn't Fail
Brenda ,   London, Canada   (09.09.07)
A society did not fail for the bad behaviour of some criminals. We have such losers in Canada too. Ironically, in Nazi "thought", Russians were seen as an inferior people, only to be oppressed. Hitler would have killed tens of millions of Russians, to cull the people.
48. Mazal Tov To The Olmerts
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (09.09.07)
We did not have an opportunity before to wish the Olmert family a Mazal Tov on the birth of a child to their lesbian daughter's companion who actually has no real relations blood, legal or otherwise with the Olmerts now that we think of it so forget the whole idea and so we take back our Mazal Tov.
49. Are they any different from Israeli arabs?
jason white ,   afula,israel   (09.09.07)
Are they any different from the left wing groups here? They should be executed on t.v. for the whole country to see and the leaders of our enemies within also.
50. Thugs and Traitors
Elana ,   USA   (09.09.07)
The difference between being called a Jew and living as a Jew. After they are properly punished, they should be deported. They have abused their 'right of return' and Israel should have the right to return them.
51. To Arthur resp #44:
Helene ,   Israel   (09.09.07)
Spanking is very close to bullying and bullying is practically the same psychological phenomenon as racist/naziam (group based, leader, followers, spectators,no brakes, rationalization, minimization of personal responsibility, knowledge that what they do is wrong, abuse repeated over time, sum of abuse what counts for victim, abusers concentrate on single occasion claiming victim being oversensitive... Well, Arthur, I would not bet on spanking for preventing nazism, neo- or whatever!!! It must be monitored, prevented, stopped, not allowed to spread. AND as #44 said: a list of deterring punishments for those who do it anyway... Human shields, ah? Hahaha! Using them to protect the lives they wanted to take/violate in the first place: - ))) Well, I like your idea, meir, but I don't think it agrees with modern ideas of what is civilized, so I'd skip that from your list and keep the rest! - )
52. #39 Pheonix
ralphsrant1 ,   USA   (09.10.07)
I know Russia very well I have been there both in urban and rural areas. I know how the Russians are. I have a right of center philosophy if you bother to read my blog. I was in Israel during war time and I am well aware of danger. Just because I am in America does not mean I don't fear being a Jew. I have been called a few things in my life and one day it may not be so safe here. But your not getting the point if all you want is a pure Jewish race in Israel that is wrong we need all the jewish population we can get. The point is they need to be treated as equals when they come and encouraged to become jews if they are practicing Christians. http://ralphsrant1.blogspot.com/
53. Elections NOW! These problems stem from the government!
freejay ,   Israel   (09.10.07)
54. #45 Dima...
Phoenix ,   Israel   (09.10.07)
And because you and others do not understand the difference you think we should do as you think? Judaism is a Religion Dima! Our bylaws state what makes a jewish, Jewish. Obviously what I ment it's that the moderation of the law of return must erase the ones with jewish grandfather cause they are not connected to been jewish at all. Anyway, Our religion has thousands of years and just because you and other people like you dont's see the diference amognst jewish father and jewish mother we are not going to change jewish religion. The best we can give is that if a son of a jewish father wants to be called jew then has to make convertion of faith and then been a jew. That's all!
55. SUCSESFULL SOCIETY
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (09.09.07)
Looking at Olmert's gang ,Ynet and co, they are not so far removed from these guys tactics and political leanings. I mean was it not the israeli police wearing black uniforms dragging jews out of their homes Gush Katif and beating the hell out of them in Homesh. One only has to follow Ynet, that in general publishes articles that outside of Israel would be called antisemitic. So one can say that this is a very sucsesfull society, with as result that there neo nazis here. The zionists want to be like other nations and they are well on their way. You have young people killing each other,drugs,rape and all the other good international stuff. So kol hakavod and to make sure that you guys have sucseeded just look at our great leaders and their actions.
56. #17 Very thought provoking. A lot of truth there.
jan ,   usa   (09.10.07)
57. #51 Mishlei 13:24 "He who fails to use a stick HATES his
Uri ,   Haifa, Israel   (09.10.07)
son, but he who LOVES him is CAREFUL to discipline him. Unless you have more wisdom than Hashem, you may want to re-adjust your thinking. He said it, not me, but I will choose his way anyday and not compromise with silly psycho- ologists teachings, Just food for thought. Of course this is not to be done in anger, but it is to be done.
58. 43 is not Rivkah who is not in Israel at this time.
Rivkah   (09.10.07)
59. We failed as a society
Eli ,   Israel   (09.10.07)
Olmert has said: We failed as a societye". I reject that because it was he and his govt. and their predecessors who have totally failed us. They shaped the present society. Instead of encouraging the new immigrants who are not Jewish to become Jews, they have let the extremists of the religious lunatic fringe run the country by causing it to always react and not act. Had most of the non-Jewish immigrants been encouraged (instead of been put off by impossible demands) to convert we'd have a healthier society. Instead the govt. has left us with a major problem; the religious fanatics are pushing secular Jews to the wall with the impossible Haredi and right wing religious demands. Olmert and his govt have always given in to them. We are reaping the rewards of their failure, just as 1.2 million poor people are. How dare that (fill in your own expletive) push it off onto 'us'. He's not one of us, he's directly responsible for this and most other problems. The buck stops with him.
60. To Mr. Olmert
izik ,   israel   (09.10.07)
"Olmert on neo-Nazi gang: We failed as society" Oh, no, Mr. Olmert. We do no failed not only as a society but not at all. Moreover, it is You, Mr. Olmert, who brought about this situation into our society. So, Mr. Olmert, you are advised to go to hell with your stupid statements.
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