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'End Arab anti-Semitism'
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 02.10.07, 22:55
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31. #16 , about the "racist" talmud
jason ,   usa   (10.03.07)
talmud.faithweb.com Talmud: Statement of Purpose There are many lies circulating the internet about the Jewish Talmud. These allegations are supported by "direct quotations" from the Talmud that are frequently wrong or taken out of context. However, most people lack the scholarly background to verify these claims. Most people have no way of knowing that these accusation are false and malicious. What we are attempting is to demonstrate in detail how these accusations are both wrong and intentionally misleading. We are trying to show to the world the real truth about the Talmud. "Our philosophy asserts that every human being is created in the image of the Lord and the primacy of integrity and honesty in all dealings without exception. I strongly repudiate any assertions in the name of Judaism that do not represent and reflect this philosophy." - Rabbi Malkiel Kotler, dean of the world-renowned Lakewood Yeshiva, Dec. 16, 2003
32. #14 & 26 - Can you counter my argument...
Joe ,   Los Angeles, CA   (10.03.07)
Can you counter my argument with anything substantive?? Ad hominem attacks don't cancel out the facts, ladies and gentlemen... As far as calling Arabs Hamites racism, the term Hamite is an English translation of the Hebrew term, "B'nei Cham" (literally, sons of Ham). Ham was one of the three sons of Noah (Nuh in Arabic): Shem, Ham and Japheth. The descendents of Shem are called Semites, those of Japheth are called Japhetites and those of Ham are called Hamites. To call a spade a spade isn't racism, it's merely calling a spade a spade... Like I said earlier, just because a people speaks a Semitic language doesn't mean that that people is a Semitic people. If anybody took the time to read my posting, they would have come across my example of Americans speaking English, a Germanic language, despite the fact that most Americans aren't of Germanic ancestry. As far as explaining "Talmudic teaching about how to treat goyim", perhaps I should turn the question around against you?? How does Sharia treat non-Muslims who refuse to be forcibly converted to Islam or pay the Jizya? It is nothing less than the purest form of Islam revealed in the Qur'an and expounded upon in the Ahadith!! By the way, Hawams does not mean "insects" in Hebrew; Cherek means insect in Hebrew. Open a book before you comment!!
33. What about anti-arab
Shaikha ,   Saudia   (10.03.07)
What about the Israeli army who kills Palestinians every day. Although all bad crimes that committed by Israel they ask the crazy question "Why They Heat Us?"
34. the arabs are the real samists ? no samist jew
sameer ,   jerusalem   (10.03.07)
What is the meaning of samists? and Who are the samists? if yoy know the answer then you know how much stupied those who accouse the arabs with antisamists because the arabs are the real samists and 90% of the jews are not samists.
35. 32
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (10.03.07)
if you look at arabs and egyptians you can see that there is a profound distinction between the two. you can spot an egyptian a mile away from their looks, ubt arabs are distinct from this. why? because the connection you try to establish between egyptians and arabs is not correct. the origins of arabs is not at all clear, but the intermarriage that occurred is not at all clear, but their unbroken oral tradition (and jews put great credibility on oral tradition) categorizes them as semitic on many levels. you can nitpick on the details, but the heavy burden of proof is on you and you have quite a ways to go to establish your claim as the correct one.
36. # 32- The burden of proof is on the claimant
Khalid ,   The Netherlands   (10.03.07)
Why don't you try to prove your claim using some arguments based on science, archeology and anthropology, instead of only referring to the Bible which is basically a book of faith rather than a book of science. Moreover, any honest decent Israeli expert in this field will tell you than most of the stories in the Bible cannot be scientifically corroborated and this is a book of faith and not od history or anthropology. Following your racist arguments why don't you try to convince your ten year old son that the immigrants coming to Israel from Eastern Europe (with their Slavic fweatures) and those coming from Ethiopisa (with their African features) and those coming from Arab countries (with their Middle Eastern features not distinguishable from their Arab countrymen of other faiths) and the latest newcomers from Assam and Mizoram in India (with their Burmese Assamese features) , and, and , and, ... are all Semitic people coming originally from a single magic kingdom which existed around 2800 years ago as the racist Israeli law of return claims. Try it and your son will get very amused at the naievity and ignorance of his very smart dad. So cut the crap and lets all cry stop Israeli anti-semitism against the Palestinian people
37. This is BS
(10.03.07)
Most of the Arabs are simitics too so how come they call it anti-simitism .... ignorants.
38. Don't be daft
daniel   (10.03.07)
Antisemitism is another word for Jewhatred. Or why else would the world's most famous anti-semite, Hitler, team up with Arabs?
39. #12, I see your posts are up to your usual standards
Danny   (10.03.07)
I don't think anyone is asking the arabs pre-peace to "recognise Israel", they are saying it might be nice if you stop pumping out anti-Jewish propaganda. As per plan, didn't Olmert suggest meeting face-to-face to discuss the issues? Wierd how the arabs make these "peace offers" which melt when details are asked for.... Of course, another minor issue is that Iran, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hizbollah explicitly said they won't accept this plan - given they are the ones doing all the fighting one might consider this a flaw....
40. #36, oh pur-lease
Danny   (10.03.07)
this is your argument that the arabs are "semitic" based on some racists categorisation of people based on linguistic groups. Therefore they "can't" be anti-semitic???!! So you think Sudanese arabs look like fair-skinned Syrians who look like Iraqis who look like Morrocans? One who lives in a glasshouse shouldn't be casting stones...
41. I'd personally like to thank all the arabs on this site
Danny   (10.03.07)
for proving the point. Saves us translating arabic websites...
42. #32 Your argument then leads to one conclusion
(10.03.07)
that all peaple have descended from one origin that's Adam and Eve.So why only the jews want to distinguish themselves among all the peaple of the world as *semitic* as if they came from different plannet.SO ENOUGH TALK ABOUT THIS ANTI-SEMITIC BS please !!
43. #32, no it leads to a completely different conclusion
Danny   (10.03.07)
That you consider Anti-Jewish sentiment - in the venacular known as anti-semiticism - of arabs to be utterly indisputable and so you are forced to fall back on pathetic arguments about what is "anti-semiticism". Wierd that Hitler's anti-semiticism didn't offend Al-Husseini, Ar-rashid or other arab "nationalists". I wonder if they took him to task for "mis-using" the word.... Somehow, I doubt it.
44. #43, I meant #42 not #32
Danny   (10.03.07)
45. Israel is also anti-semitic
John ,   London,UK   (10.03.07)
Jews are not the only Semitic people. They think only they are victims of racism. Whereas if you have an impartial look at the whats been happening, we can easily see that Israel has also been very anti-Smetic towards Arabs. Its bevahour has been labelled racist by many world leaders. Neutral organisations like Amensty and Human Rights Watch accuse Israeli leaders of comeong up with racists laws and policies towards Palestinian population. Arabs will not forgive Israel for what it is going to them. Muslim world has now woken up since the intifada of late 80s. Expert can see things becoming very bad for Israel. Some even thing that Arabs might succedd in destroying Israel. Iran is certainly going to be in the forefront of that dream held by millions of muslims around the world. Iranian President has vowed to wipe Israel off the map. Recently he said that Palestinians have started the countdown to annialation of Israel. I think Isreal better move towards peace talks before its failures become fatal.
46. #6 Yes, it is called Jewish anti-Semitism
(10.03.07)
Making the Income Taxes Building a "Wailing" Wall Is flagrant anti-Semitism.
47. # 45 “Neutral organisations like Amensty and
(10.03.07)
Human Rights Watch”. "Expert can see things becoming very bad for Israel." " Some even thing that Arabs might succedd in destroying Israel". Wow!! Hold on John, we have a pledge, a promissory note if you will, from non other than the God of Israel. Dream on...
48. I have a question for the American senators
(10.03.07)
Why don't they end anti-Arab and anti-muslims feeling in their senat and in the congress !!! ?
49. 40
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (10.03.07)
many arabic-speakers like to call themselves arabs, despite the fact that they are not arabs at all. arabic is the language of the koran and muslim africans who speak arabic (especially) tend to identify themselves that way, despite having no genetic connection with real arabs. calling them "arabs" is a misnomer.
50. #40- Whose house is made of glass
Khalid ,   The Netherlands   (10.03.07)
Your house is made of glass when you make claims that the intellect of a ten year old can easily refute and reject. The claims I mentioned in my original talkback (no #36) are made by the zionists. The Arabs never claimed that they are a homogenous chosen people entitled to special priviliges. Actually, it is the zionists who maked that claim (when calling on me or the Palestinians to return to Saudi Arabia). In my many talkbacks to refute this last claim, I not only mentioned the differences in physical features but also the differences in culture, music , cuisine, ... between Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Arab world and among the Arab countries themselves. Mind you that it is Golda Meir who once said there are no Palestinians, they are just arabs who should go to another Arab country. What you did in your talback is just throwing more stones at the zionist glass house, a house having not only glass walls but quite flimsy foundations. This only help to ascet that the Palestinians are indiginous people in this land, descendant from the early canaanite peoples who inhabited this land much before the zionoist immigrants.
51. Newsflash for #15 Richard
tinashkuli   (10.03.07)
The term "anti-Semite" was coined in Germany in 1879 by Wilhelm Marrih to refer to the anti-Jewish manifestations of the period and to give Jew-hatred a more scientific sounding name.1 "Anti-Semitism" has been accepted and understood to mean hatred of the Jewish people. Dictionaries define the term as: "Theory, action, or practice directed against the Jews" and "Hostility towards Jews as a religious or racial minority group, often accompanied by social, economic and political discrimination."2 The claim that Arabs as "Semites" cannot possibly be anti-Semitic is a semantic distortion that ignores the reality of Arab discrimination and hostility toward Jews. Arabs, like any other people, can indeed be anti-Semitic.
52. #7
Jane   (10.03.07)
The UK will NEVER do it. The UK is itself anti-Semitic.
53. #50 Khalid your assertion is wrong
Korem ,   New York, USA   (10.03.07)
There is absolutely no genetic or historical proof with which to base the idea that Palestinians are descendants of Canaanites. It is believed that the Palestinians' origin lies in both the Arab conquerors and invaders from the Arabian peninsula during the 7th century and the vestiges of Crusaders who remained in the area. As well as Arab immigrants from surrounding regions. The fact is that the Canaanites- their history, social structures, traditions and culture, is completely lost from history. The National Geographic Study regarding Canaanites was actualy done on Lebanese and non-Palestinian peoples along the Mediterranean Coast, and the connections were made between them and the Phoenicians, an empire which existed alongside Ancient Israel in extremely friendly relations, that was destroyed by the Persians.
54. #11 MARCEL
Carl ,   Indianapolis   (10.03.07)
Can't you disagree with other talkbackers without resorting to personal insults? "You are blind fools and useless idiots"???? That wasn't said in general, it was said to a particular talkbacker. That makes it personal. Now, Marcel, why don't you calm down and take a few breaths and oxygenate your brain before sending your talkbacks next time. You can always make your point and still remain a gentleman. Try it.
55. #36 - Khalid, you needed to read...
Joe ,   Los Angeles, CA   (10.03.07)
Khalid, you needed to read ALL my posts before you responded only to #32. In post #9, I mentioned that Arabs FROM THE ARABIAN PENINSULA AND NORTH AFRICA aren't Semites and that this conclusion is based on both genetic evidence and the fact that Arab legends about the origins of Ishmael (the legendary father of the Arabs) do not contradict the biblical account of his lineage. These studies have shown that individuals self-identifying as Arabs from the Fertile Crescent are genetically different from individuals self-identifying as Arabs from the Peninsula and North Africa. These studies have also shown that Arabs from the Peninsula and North Africa are more closely related to East Africans than they are to peoples of the Fertile Crescent. As regards peoples of the Fertile Crescent, here's a news flash: Genetically speaking, they aren't Arabs!! They are descended from the Semitic peoples that lived in the region before the Muslim conquest and, in the wake of this conquest, saw their unique cultural identities obliterated and artificially replaced by an Arab identity. When it comes to Palestinians and genetic studies, however, things get muddy. This is because: a) there was a massive influx of Syrians to the region starting in the 1880s and ending in 1948; and b) the criterion for being labeled a Palestinian (according to the UN) was having lived in the British Mandate for only 2 years. Nevertheless, genetic studies have taken place on individuals who can trace back their ancestry to individuals who lived in the region for generations. What these studies have found is that both that these "true" Palestinians are actually a missing genetic link between Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews, and that they are more closely related to these two groups than they are to, say Syrians or Iraqis.
56. #54 Carl
Marcel ,   Florida   (10.03.07)
Whats the problem Carl . Are you a a blind fool and a useless idiot ? You do understand that it is a public service to inform fools that it is not too late to escape the delusion they are under ? I get a kick out of you freedom loving fascist word cops. You are with the thought police and will now tell me how I must speak ? Send me a list of words which meet with your approval and tell me the penalty if I deviate from your wimpy man's rule .
57. Who cares if Arabs are Semites or not???
tFighterPilot   (10.03.07)
Anti Semitism means hatred towards Jews and only Jews. Genetics make no difference. That's simply the meaning of the word.
58. lamashamed
alex ,   nyc   (10.03.07)
haven't you heard the "religion of peace" assertion repeated time and time again after each terrorist attack / attempt to commit murder by Islamic terrorists ?
59. #57 it does matter
(10.03.07)
a common tactic used by arabs to say that it's impossible for them to be antisemitic is to say that they are semitic themselves and therefore can't be antisemitic. by busting the myth that arabs are semites, we bust the myth that they can't be antisemitic. we expose the lies for what they are and advance the cause of objectivity in the arab-israeli conflict.
60. #56 Poor Marcel
Carl   (10.03.07)
You're not doing a public service. You are not informing anybody of anything. Your rants are exactly the same, day after day, with not a single new idea on them. If you want to do some good, inform yourself, share your information, treat people with respect.
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