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American Jews act to prevent division of Jerusalem
Ronny Sofer
Published: 28.10.07, 22:47
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1. moshe couldn t see Jarusalem but terroists living there ?
mıhaeL ,   turkey   (10.28.07)
we jews agaınst thıs desıcıon we curse people who accept thıs ıdea...the Holy CITY can not be dıvıded...thıs means terror wıns and we ınncocents losess
2. DIVIDING JERUSALEM MEANS DIVIDING ISRAEL
(10.28.07)
I will talk short. and no joke. but ! just about Jerusalem ! JERUSALEM BELONGS TO JEWISH WORLD. MAYBE WE MUSLIMS HAVE SOME PLACES THERE ! I AM SURE JEWISH PEOPLE WILL HAVE RESPECT FOR MUSLIM PLACES. I LOVE TO BELIEVE THAT. I AM SAYING AGAIN ! JERUSALEM IS THE HEART OF JEWISH WORLD. NO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I SUPPORT FREE PALESTINE. I ALSO SUPPORT JEWISH JERUSALEM. AND I AM DAMN TIRED TO STAY BETWEEN YOU GUYS. NON OF YOU GOOD RELIGIOS ANYWAY. EVERYONE LOVES TO HAVE JERUSALEM ! JERUSALEM ! *** LETS MAKE SOME JOKE. some day Me and tali Farkash will get married and have a son His name will be ATİLLA MOSHE KARAGÖZOĞLU ! he will be King of Israel. I will stay in jerusalem as a father of king. *** damn I start talk too stupid. why I lost my focus on the issue ?
3. DIVIDING JERUSALEM MEANS DIVIDING JEWISH HEARTS
(10.28.07)
IN SHORT JERUSALEM IS ONLY THING JEWISH WORLD DID DESERVE WITHOUT ANY QUESTION. I DONT CARE DETAILS. I AM DAMN TIRED. I GOT WORK TOMORROW. ITS 23.42 PM HERE NOW. YNET PLEASE DONT PUBLISH MY FIRST POST. IM THE BEGINNING I WAS ALL RIGHT THAN I LOST MY CONTROL AND WROTE STUPID THINGS. ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU WHY I GOT UPSET SUDDENLY ? I DONT KNOW.
4. I have a proposal for all you diasporic "zionists"
Sarah   (10.28.07)
Why dont we switch - you come to live in Israel and sacrifice yourselves on a saily basis and WE move to your nice mansions and priviliged lives...I would LOVE to take the role of"supporting" all of you back in Israel ! Jerusalem is for the ones who actually live there and are willing to PHYSICALLY (not metaphorically) fight for it !
5. Sharon expelled 10,000 Jews from their homes. Israel's
Dov ,   Jerusalem   (10.29.07)
reward to him is the largest garbage- dump-turned-park on his name. How will Israel reward Olmert if he'll be giving away part of Jerusalem? http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/124060
6. #4 Amen & Amen.!!!
Tamar ,   Migdal, Israel   (10.29.07)
7. TO SCREAM FROM FARRR, LOVE INVOLVED INTO HATE
(10.29.07)
WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR HEARTS IN SILENCE ? ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU
8. #4 Sarah
Kevin Holt, Ph.D ,   London, England   (10.29.07)
Have you checked who makes up the fighting elites in the IDF? They no longer come from the Kibutz but from the settlements that the Leftist atheists so often oppose.
9. LOVE MIXED INTO HATE IN THE SUN
(10.29.07)
the sun :) THE GOD. HE IS HERE NEXT TO US, NOW. HAPPNESS IN OUR HEARTS. FIGHTING IS GOOD. WHAT WE GONNA DO IN THIS WORLD, ANYWAY ! GIVE FIGHT AS A MAN DIE AS A MAN. ATİLLA KARAGÖZOĞLU
10. Remember to pray for G-ds peace in Jerusalem
Psalms 83 ,   Selah   (10.29.07)
It is the only acceptable peace....any peace solution contrived by man is doomed to failure and strife.
11. #4 Sarah and #6 Tamar
Tikvah ,   galut   (10.29.07)
Do you have any idea how cruel you sound? You both, like the rest of World Jewry, REFUSE to acknowledge that there are poor American-born Jews. There are COUNTLESS numbers of us but we are ignored and not accepted. I despise those rich mansion-living people you speak of. You're right, they don't want to give up their disgustingly materialistic lifestyles to make aliya. But me, and MANY like me, cry DAILY because we don't have the choice to make aliya. NO MONEY. And trust me, you DON'T WANT to trade places with me. You couldn't handle the level of poverty. I live in a broken down apt. in a crime area. It's cold but I have no heat. I have no car. This used computer is the only luxery I have, and I waited 10 years for it. No frills, no printer etc., just the very basic. Here's my idea. Why don't those whiny rich snobs, who REFUSE to make aliya, pay for those of us who WANT TO BUT HAVE NO MONEY??????????????
12. #4 Sarah....
Abir ,   Chicago, IL   (10.29.07)
I could not agree with you more.....It is amazing how some of the folk in the Diaspora are so zealous living thousands of miles away and sharing the pain by sending a check every once in a while. There is no shortage of Monday morning quarterbacks in the Ynet talkbacks telling us all how Israel should be run.
13. and it is part of the history of the Palestinians
(10.29.07)
who descend from the semitic people inhabiting Palestine whether the Hebrews, Canaanites, Nabateans, etc........................ It is a Palestinians city in Origin... It is Canaanite in construction and you cannot erase that because of some biblical Jewish connection. If peace is to prevail, there should be no monopolization of Jerusalem
14. This is not a Joking Subject. It is Life & Death ! ! !
Roy C. Hudson ,   Pittsburg USA   (10.29.07)
The story has been written in advance for the wise, it has been set up as a Snare for the Foolish.it Will have an ending to please the Living God of Jacobs Children, It will maks a Synagogue of Satan to they that say they are Jews and are not. The Gentile that was Grafted in for two Days are all but over. They that follow the Replacement Theology are already Proven to be out of order with God. That is not the plan of God. My President GW Bush, Land for peace is 100% against God & Israel. The USA is well on it's way to the Dirt, for backing such a Plan as, don't ask don't tell,"Xenophoba" Pushed off on the True followers of The Son of God to stop the true teachings of the Hebrew Book that was Translated for ME by William Tyndale. He was Murdered, Burned to ashes by the apostate org. of 300 AD. NO... this is not a Joke. The Jokers will not have an Earth to stand on accorging to Zechariah;12;1-9 I have the Hard copy on Gods plan for all that land. Israel will have it ALL GW just put the USA on the List with Daddy Bush Vision, Land for Peace. . Is this to much facts to be Printed, How many times did I break the EU, Global Rule of Law that taheth away the constutions of all the Nations?? Rev;20;4 they will have to show themselves again & it will not stop the Jews in having that Home land.. ok??? Roy C. Hudson YES.... From the USA.
15. to #4 - simplistic
david ,   new york   (10.29.07)
actually religious jewish communities in the US send very large numbers of people to israel to live there (nearly the entire US aliya comes from orthodox jews who constitute only 10% of american jews). Still, I find your statement simplistic (and a little insulting). I have found not a single religious american jew who decided not to move to israel becasue they would have to serve in the military (here its actually considered a draw). a willingness to sacrifice is not holding anyone back. instead, we jews have a tendancy to have families (and communities) and not everyone is an island unto themselves to drop that and leave. anyway, sarah- you need us: where will you go to after they give the rest of israel to the arabs?
16.  JERUSALEM is the HEART of JEWISH UNITY.
ONLY ONE JERUSALEM ,   NY, USA   (10.29.07)
17. Disapora jews have no right to decide
david ,   Royal Oak, america   (10.29.07)
I choose to live in the diaspora, ergo I have no right to decide. I have an opinion; Jerusalem is already divided, it can serve as the capital of two nations. Irrespective, only those who live there have the right to choose. It is the height of arrogance to suggest otherwise.
18. Very damaging to US interests in the Muslim world
Harry ,   USA   (10.29.07)
Those organizations are rich and can afford $10/gallon of oil. For the reset 95% of American, they have to lose their jobs, sell their homes, and go without health insurance if they want to continue driving their cars or heating their home so that Jerusalem remains under complete jewish occupation.
19. Let's include Jews from France & UK
Yoav Ifergan ,   Paris, France   (10.29.07)
20. #4 Sarah...don't be so proud
Scott ,   Haifa   (10.29.07)
We need all the help we can get to set us free from this suicidally challenged government.
21. #4 Sara
David ,   Richmond VA. USA   (10.29.07)
You must realise that even Olmert would like to drop this hot potatoe. If he could he would but the whole world has decided to devide Jerusalem. That is why many christians feel a responablity to protest usa evil act in this division of Jerusalem.
22. There will be no meaning living in Israel with half Jerusale
Arthur ,   Israel   (10.29.07)
23. To Sarah
Iossef ,   J'lem, Israel   (10.29.07)
I came to Israel, J'lem four years ago. Just because I don't want anymore people like you Sarah lecture me with this poor argument. I am israeli now and ieroushalmi, and I'll do my best to keep Jerusalem undivided. Ha, Sarah a cousin of mine made alyah too, recently, and two other ones bought appartements in Israel, even if they still could not move.
24. Arabs Aren't Only Partner Who Must Be Satisfied For Peace
Paqid (16) Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (10.29.07)
Israeli leaders who would compromise ANY part of Yerushalayim that is historically holy to Jews have NO mandate from the Jewish people. More importantly, they defy ha-Sheim. Dividing Yerushalayim, to finally excise religion and secularize the resulting "Jews" and "Israel," is the dream of only a relatively few fringe loony Leftist secular misojudaic racists whose only claim to being "Jewish" is their race card -- DNA ("born Jews"). Few moderate Jews even recognize the implications of these attempt to excise Torah from "Jews" and "Israel" "to become a nation like all other nations." May Moshe Dayan's grave be turned into a urinal for the damage he has caused the Jewish people by giving away control over Har ha-Bayit. Meanwhile religious Jews are diverted to think that Christian missionaries are the problem. Blind lemmings. The percentage of Jewish youth assimilating is over 90% while the rate converting to Christianity is only around 1%; less than Christians converting to Torah. The problem is Bilam, later adopted by Hellenists, called secularizing and assimilation; and that's because rabbis are blind to the real causes: they have no answers to the questions asked by today's increasingly educated Jewish youth. If Israel's leaders cede any area of Yerushalayim that is historically holy to Jews may there be a grassroots uprising, throwing off such traitorous leaders and may it be that the kind of war that the Arabs now wage against Jews, Jews will wage against them, ceaselessly and forever if need be. Let Arabs fear for their lives in every place and at every hour for as long as they live until THEY become desperate to make peace with US. I, and the Netzarim globally, will do everything we can to support the effort to make the historically holy areas of Yerushalayim Judaic according to Torah. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
25. #4 & #6 Sarah & Tamar
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (10.29.07)
There are quite a few Americans who'd LOVE to switch with you and reside in Israel. Why don't you, like Olmert's children, move to America, build yourselves mansions and, as you say, support Israel? Israel would be much better off with people who LOVE this country and care for this country and would do anything to keep every bit of its terroritory. It's only because of people like you and "your" weak government that our enemies momentarily have the upper hand. And by the way, most Americans - at least the orthodox ones - are a far cry from rich wtih "nice mansions". And although they hardly have anything for themselves, they support the Israeli Jews as much as possible.
26. TO SARAH, # 4: WHAT KIND OF IDIOT ARE YOU?
SETTHERECORDSTRAIGHT   (10.29.07)
ARE YOU WITH US, OR AGAINST US? ARE YOU FOR A JEWISH JERUSALEM OR NOT YOU FOOL?
27. 13 Philistines were Greek, NOT Semitic. Read a history book!
Paqid (16) Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (10.29.07)
Historians of all prominent and prestigious universities in the world trace the Philistines to the Phoenicians and "Sea Peoples" who migrated from Mycenaea, Greece via Santorini (Thera), to the Mediterranean coasts of the Egyptian Delta, the Sinai and what is today Gaza. The Philistines were Greeks, stupid! Your disinformation won't work on educated people. If you'd educate yourself -- read a history book or two, it wouldn't even work on you! There is no connection between the Greek Philistines and modern Arabs who never even called themselves "Palestinians" until the 20th century! (Prior to the 20th century, the term "Palestinians" meant Jews. Arabs REFUSED to be called "Palestinians," insisting that they belonged to the one, Pan-Arab Nation.) As for the Kenaanim (Canaanites), they were absorbed into the Israel as during the conquest of the Holy Land, after which they were no longer identifiable as a separate people. Today's Jews ARE the ancient Canaanites. "Palestinians," by contrast, are the squatters and occupiers who migrated into our land as a result of the Roman expulsion of the Jews in 135 C.E. It is the Jews, and only the Jews, who are indigenous to Israel. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
28. Hey!, you in the Diaspora
observer   (10.29.07)
You have your Jerusalem where you live and where you earn your living. Don't be fooled by Zionists; they allocated a tomb-stone for you in non-kosher Gentile's land. If you want to share the corruption, only awaiting are swords.
29. I though cannan was the son of ham & not shem
jack bauer ,   look it up   (10.29.07)
as far as what I could find Genesis 10 Egypt and Canaan were both decendants of HAM and not shem Ishmael also was half egyptian and married an egyptian meaning all arabs are HAMETIC and NOT from Shem after all. I must admit I was misinformed for many years by those asking if it was possible for an arab to be anti semitic if they were semetic themselves
30. Thank G-d for American Jews
Petra ,   usa   (10.29.07)
Perhaps they show more love for Israel than her leaders and some of the posters here. Jerusalem is our heart. Instead of jealousy ( not every one of us Jews here in America is rich) seems to me you should thank G-d for your American cousins and just say "THANK YOU TO G-D AND THE AMERICAN JEWS. BTW, I doubt all American Jews,contributors, are rich. We are however, concerned and without the American groups, Olmert and cabinet have no real voices of complaint( outside of Israel) who put up instead of shut up. Thank G-d and the America cousins. Would be good to publicise this in all media. It's something to be proud of and rejoice over. Poor or rich, THANK YOUS are just good manners.
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