In every case in the article, Ynet was meticulous to specify ultra-Orthodox. Not once did the article slip and confuse the ultra-Orthodox with Orthodox. I know that most tb-ers, being intellectually bankrupt, only know how to impugn and slander the messenger when they have no intelligent recourse. But for we who are more intelligent and educated, it's essential to evaluate the message, not the messenger. In this case, I think we should commend Ynet for their responsible journalism. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

Don't distord the writing of the first paragraph . It's 20 % of the seculars who don't work , read correctly

You wrote today: "Torah b'peh is chet." No Orthodox rabbi converts a person who rejects Torah shə-Bəal Peh. Therefore, you are no Orthodox convert and, hence, no Orthodox rabbi recognizes you as a Jew. You blabber impugnings against all Jews who keep Halakhah. Certainly, no Jew answers to your goy impugning slander. You have glorious delusions of grandeur to pronounce, as a goy, that "Torah b'peh is chet" as if you were some authority. I don't believe in ANY Christian doctrine, you ignorant and slandering goy impugner. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

And this goy think he is smarter than all our great sages . He is only a hatefull rot disgusting bipede

There is an even more severe problem there: At the rate those people propagate it won't be long before there will be guarded road blocks on Shabbes in Haifa, burning cafes that are open on the weekend in Tel Aviv and on the train there will be "male-cars" and "female-cars". THEN the majority of the population will not work, they will build another, even higher wall around the entire country and enjoy the Shtetl-life they've been missing for so long. This is the scenario Ladies and Gentlemen, they multiply like amoeba and there's nothing to stop them. Soon the part of the population that is actually living in the 21st century keeping the country going will be hopelessly outnumbered...

Haredim. Psychologists say a SUPERIORITY COMPLEX is rooted in FEELING INFERIOR. Moses was the meekest man on earth, which means humble. The Haredim do not imitate Moses in that way because of fear and feelings of inferiority. They do not love themselves because the Bible says if you do not work you should not eat. They do not consider what they do to be work, when it is.

Being against hate-mongering, slander and impugning -- shooting the messenger instead of dealing with message content intelligently -- I have to defend Charles here. Charles has sometimes slandered and impugned like you. Charles rejects Torah like you. But claiming Charles is a Christian??? I was a Christian (Baptist) preacher and went to the same elite boarding school as Billy Graham's daughter, the most elite evangelist's and missionaries' kids in the world (Hampden DuBose Academy). You are clueless about Christianity AND clueless about Torah. Any intelligent reader can tell at a glance that you're irrational. If Charles were to recognize the relevance of Torah, may it be so, he'd be fine. At least when Charles thinks Torah he has some clue what that means -- UNLIKE you. Get a life other than impugning, Jibril. Who pays your salary anyway, Khiz'b-Allah or Hamas? BTW Charles, although I saw your message before posting this, I composed this before seeing your message. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

you have'nt any point to confirm your stupid allegations . But you , an allegedly convert , are certainly not a TRUE Jew , rejected by every serious Jew .

We do not often see the Charedi in My neighborhood other than when they knock on the door asking for money, they never complain how me or my wife is dressed at the time.

Please reread the opening paragraph it makes no sense at all. Ynet - Every time you have an article with Statistics you seem to get confused. Take more care please

Go ahead use the brainwashing tactics against me. Shut out any opinion that is not specifically controlled by the cult Rabbis. Friar thinking. The Hebrews listen to Moses before everyone was converted. Moses was raised by the Pharoh. Where were the orthodox rabbis to vouch for him that he had abandon all "Book of the Dead" teachings before G-d came to him? Your clueless. Rabbis only claim authority over the nation. They are not prophets, they have none. Simply magic men in Christian knoble atire. Historically anyone from the tribe of Israel coould bring aboard and convert one into the nation. Many of the people that joined the Hebrews when they went to Egypt, were previously goy. Only after they left Egypt with all their children, were they and the Hebrews converted. For you were Gereem in Mtzriam. I dont rember seeing the Rabbis in Torah. No mikvahs, no bet din, no machizahs, etc in the desert. So you claim the wrong Jews brought me back from Christianity, a Jewish sect. Baal chuvah. Paqid your a terrible person to pretend to be a Halacha Jew but really be a Christian prosthelizer. You bring sin to Am Israel and disrespect and provoke Hashem by placing another g-d before him. This is the reason people die in war from the curses you help provoke with a Hashem insulting false g-d. So the Othodox dont accpet me - well I dont accpet what they are doing. It is sinning regardless of the source of the accusation. Whether I point it out or someone else points it out - they are sinning and bringing Israel curses. they are using cult practices to manipulate the minds of Jews and brainwash them into submission. Deal with the message leader of Jesus freak sales. Torah states "Accursed is one who misleads a convert." Look at the intellgent posts Rivkah has. Yeah copy that. I want that Jesus fallen spirit in my head?! Go away.

BS you sell Yeshu/Yehishua/Jesus. Jews for Jesus faking to be a Jew. You may deny wht you teach is not part of the "Christian doctorine", but the definition of a Christian is one who adheres to the teachings of Yeshu (Rabbi Yehoshua/Rabbi Jesus), and you certainly do that.

70% of Charedim sit and learn the Holy Torah as G-d commanded and get credit for every word learned. They accomplish more than those who study, for instance, Chinese culture, Bulgarian History and other shtusim, in Universities.

There's a Yisoschor and Zevulun partnership among the charedim. The 30% working support the 70% Torah Learners. How beautiful.

For me the Torah is the History of the Jewish people , the people to whom i belong . What a greater feast can there be than פםח , the liberation of slavery ? As a secular , i don't believe the way this is told there , but it happened certainly without any doubds .

fantasy histories , so we can have another laugh . Rejected by all males ? not a wonder for me , you are only a old senile lonely woman now , who does'nt know what love means , and who did'nt know how to love someone .

..to the point you wont put your name. Back into the closet for you. Good to see you and another ceedy baptist minister are hitting it off. Get a room. The whole lot of you notzree pagan posters.

"they wont get me (at least) to elaborate a lengthy opinion" AMEN TO THAT!!! But you should have written this before you had an attack of verbal diarrhea.

look what intelligent posts Rivkah has ....youi wrote . Yes , intelligent for a non Jew as you are . And not rot disgusting hatefull as your posts and person are

or is this a new phenomena? i have the feeling that this is just exploitation in the name of religion.

from one goy (me) to another (you), you continue to sound ridiculous passing yourself off as something you are not, and can never be: jewish. you are a proselyte convert - a goy practicing judaism. you have NO jewish blood in you. if you're jewish, then I'M jewish (in fact i'm MORE jewish than you because i have some jewish ancestry in my past). document THAT genius boy!

There is much in your message we can agree on. I hope we can build on that and, where we disagree, I hope we can do so in respect. I completely agree with you that "the Torah is the History of the Jewish people" and that "it happened certainly without any doub[t]s." I also agree that your acceptance of these premises includes you in the Jewish people. The "way this is told" is, in many cases, a matter of interpretation; and I agree that errors have crept in to many interpretations. That is where a logical interpretation, conforming to historical documentation and science in the real world, exert precedence. That was also Ramb"m's position. Within limits of logic and science, there's room -- including within Orthodox Judaism -- to logically disagree with interpretations and, if I understand you correctly, you also revere these values of logic, science and documentation? I think that is reasonably universal, which makes it perplexing why so many have so much difficulty with it. Perhaps there is room to discuss the logic, historical documentation and science that impinges on the proper interpretation of Torah in mutual respect? I would like that. I'm not as convinced that the logical interpretation of Torah should be construed as secular and that the description of secular, with its often anti-religious / misojudaic connotations, doesn't really fit you. I'm anti-fanatic too -- but so is logical Torah and the fanatics don't reflect Torah! Ergo, is it not unfair to blame fanaticism on Torah? Should we not blame the fanatics alone for such strayings? פסח is, indeed a great and enjoyable feast. I will never forget when I first made aliyah and, a few days later, during פסח, my wife and I took a taxi to pick up our weapons. There was a traffic jam and the driver decided to take his lunch break. I couldn't get over him putting something between two matzot and crackling away. I can't imagine ever seeing such a thing in Orlando. I love סכות, the other חג and appointed days as well. It is such a blessing that ha-Sheim brought us here. May He bless you and enable all of us in Israel to grow together in increased mutual understanding. Back in the 1970s, as Clint Van Nest, I developed the Van Nest Principle, published in the Canadian Mensa Journal and, years later, presented in a speech at Tel Aviv University to then American Secretary of State George Shultz: Communication is the prerequisite to understanding, Understanding is the prerequisite to respect, and respect is the prerequisite to peace. Let's communicate, understand and respect. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

"learn the Holy Torah as G-d commanded " Gan eden story teaches us not to divide sentances and take them out of context. G-d commanded not to add a word or remove a word. They study libraries of chet additions. Even in the Gan eden story we see the reason man was created was to work in the Garden. I would bet that the majority of them cannot recall the Baalam Ballak story. I have met a number of black hat, kippah wearing orthodox that cant recall a good number of the stories of Torah. These are the same type to question my conversion and I know more than they about Moses words. However they can teach me kabbalah magic quite well, not that I would learn it. Kabbalah is for people like Madonna. LOL As far as how G-d wanted the men to behave. Six days you shall work. Noah worked, Abraham worked, all twelve tribes worked, Moses worked, and all the Hebrews worked. They get no credit for each word, rather they are friars who dont realize that this cult is stealing their power by side tracking them from Torah. This is the only way a Jew can be supressed. Brainwashing.

...were you detained for some violation of the law against proselytizing or worse?

Lashon !

Those men who don't work get handouts every which way they can, especially from the 'Zionist' govt. they disparage so. Also, many of them expect theor wives to both support them and take care of the house and children. Finally, many of these men are not engaged in full-time Torah learning. How sad.