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Your values are not mine!
Yoseph Goldsmith
Published: 25.11.07, 10:02
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61. to rivka, join the air force
moile ,   usa   (11.25.07)
hmmm...your mistake, besides from being a member of a cult (J4J), is that you should of been in the US air force. There have been several court cases and media articles regarding the influence of evangelicals on the airman. Apparently NOt being evangelical is case for denial of advancement there. Dunno how they feel about J4j. Probably they recognize it for the sham it is.
62. 57: David:Animal sacrifice will begin again because the Jews
Rivkah   (11.25.07)
do not know the name of God and who was the last sacrificial lamb that needed to be sacrificed. Jews are covered by an earlier covenant than the covenant with Jesus for the Gentiles and for Jews who wished to be Messianic. Read Zechariah in the Authorized King James Bible to see that the Jewish Messiah, the lamb who was sacrificed to graft on the Gentiles to the Jewish faith...the lamb who is the Messiah calls the Jews his friends. He tells them when he returns to deliver them from Armageddon that he was wounded in the house of his FRIENDS. You are the one who is apostate for thinking Jesus did not FORGIVE the Jews, the Romans, and the Gentiles for his death. He forgave them, but whether God the Father forgave them we will learn after death and resurrections. I believe God forgave the Jews who are Jews in their hearts, which you do not appear to be numbered among. If you hate me, you hate him who sent me: the Lord.
63. Joseph P , # 14 , only excuses not to serve the country
charles ,   petach tikva   (11.25.07)
64. 61: The evangelists who were trying to convert Jews at the
(11.25.07)
US Air Force Academy were reprimanded. Many people in the US military who have Jewish names like my husband, change their names to get promoted. For example, Navy officer Solomon Pflugg changed his name to Flagg to get promoted to Captain. The discrimination for Jews is cultural not religious since even non-religious Jews are often persecuted. Christians are persecuted in the US military, too. I went to Navy Chapels for Protestants, Catholics, and Jews for decades. Most people who are religious go to services off base for fear of being branded. Catholics of Filipino descent are the most likely to go to Navy Chapels, often putting religion before promotion opportunities. There was a Black physician who was the President of the Protestant Chapel in Lemoore at the Naval Air Station, the only doctor on base to go. He was written up as mentally unbalanced for going to Chapel and could not get into a Sports Medicine program in the military. So I wrote to a relative who is a retired US Marine Corps General about the situation. The head of theSports Medicine program at Camp Pendleton wrote to me abd told me he had never seen such a show of support for any applicant for the program and the physician was selected. Former US President Harry Truman said the US Marines have a propoganda machine that could rival Stalin's when they decide to use it. I would consider it an honor to be what you call a J4J, even though that is the grafted on branch to the tree of faith of which Jews are the root. The Gentiles need teachers; but so do the Jews, it appears from your tb.
65. "by the Torah alone!"" - What?!
(11.26.07)
"Torah that is true, real and eternal. We live our lives by the Torah alone!" Show me where Torah states you must wear black, show me where it states you must wear a kippah, show me where it states putting salt on all meat, show me where it mentions turkey and its mothers milk, show me where it says do repetitive prayer (the opposite is required), show me where it states use gematra, show me where it states Jews cannot be self critical (the opposite is required), show me where it states one who learns Chet additions cannot be criticized 9the opposite is required), show me where it mentions Rabbis, show me where it mentions a bone shank on Pesach (the full lamb is required), show me where it says because of Torah you shall not fight for Israel 9the opposite is required), show me where you can add rules(the opposite is required), remove words and make out of context interpretations, show me where it says you can spaghetti references from all different areas of Torah to force an idea not in Torah, show me where anyone was mocked for taking the meaning of Torah for the actual words on the page, such as the mockery of converts who want to do the straight reading, Shomroneem, Karaites, etc (The opposite is required), show me where machitzahs are mentioned, show me where wigs are mentioned, show me where you cant towel yourself off on Shabbat (as if bathing on Shabbat is not good), show me where, three times you baptise your hands (rather than a good sopa wash), show me where incantations were done by Moses who had a speech impediment (give G-d an orginal prayer) . How pompous you are in ridicule while ignoring criticism as if scholars are above questioning. Following ridiculous men in odd clothing who make hamburger out of Torah- sages? Like Gan Eden, you cant take it apart and out of context. You know their are "scholars" in Christianity too all pagans have "scholars", are they above questioning for their additions to Torah?! "by Torah alone!" BS. Devareem 11:26 See I present before you TOADY (a day long before rabbis) a blessing and a curse. 12:1 These (Not these and those -what was given that day) are the decrees and ordinances you shall observe to perform in the land that Hashem, the G-d of your fathers, has given you" (No mention of some Jesus type miracle where everything we do in current day was also communicated like some sci-fi Matrix movie) 13:1 The entire word that I command you, you shall observe to do, you shall not add to it nor you shall not subtract from it. "We live our lives by the Torah alone!"" Obviously not by this passage. You should avoid Gan eden tricks and trinity 3 equals 1 math on this rule of adding and subtracting from Torah as it was given that day. It is also good to note that right after this Israel is instructed to go to war. So much by living by the words of Torah. Many do not work, don't fight, don't read what is real Torah, and accept G-d provoking additions that bring wrath on Israel. I really don't think you preserving Israel and Torah, rather causing it to be lost by practicing chet additions. What is so wrong with Moses' words that you accept a non-prophetic group to interpret them? Leave the cult, embrace real Torah and G-d, and defend Israel the people.
66. #63 Reb Charles
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (11.26.07)
Just as this government cannot enforce mixed schooling upon chareidim with seculars and goyim, so can this government not enforce mixed immoral genders and chareidim with seculars in the army. Chareidim, in general, will always cling to higher standards of pure and moral values. The values in which they were brought up will not all of a sudden change and be defiled in this immoral army because this secular government wants it to. The chareidi boys are the "pach shemen tahor" which miraculously are surviving the unkosher environment. It's our obligation to preserve it, they should continue being the light unto nations and the shield for Klal Yisrael.
67. rebecca, we dont follow the goyim book
David ,   Jerusalem   (11.26.07)
the goyim book you refer to was written in 1611, the source for the goyim book was written in 1624, the textus receptus. The book you refer to as authorized is by goyim. Jews don't follow it, nor refer to it. Even early church historians admit that the Jews never used it. So yes we hate you because of your lies that you use to kill us. We only have to not steal or murder goyim. Other then that we have nothing to do with you. You wil be incredibly shocked when the Mashiakh rejects you apostate goyim. We know your lies inside and out.
68. Josh, you are not a member of the club, therefore
your opinion is ,   irrelevant.   (11.26.07)
69. #45 Wrong - It is because of G-d and our forefathers
Josh   (11.26.07)
70. #47 "please don’t dictate how we should follow our Torah"
Josh   (11.26.07)
Excuse me?! Your Torah?! Torah is between ALL Am Israel descendants and as a "nation of judges" and those commanded "to gaurd these words", we will be critical if corruption creaps in. "If you brother comes to you" - dont expect silence but for it to be exposed for lack of loyalty to Torah and G-d by following a cult. We are all in this together - live with it.
71. Lets not get off subject for the J4J Dev 13 fallen
Josh   (11.26.07)
72. josh , a little disgusting hatefull guy
charles ,   petach tikva   (11.26.07)
Who thinks that he , a "convert" [ ? ] , is smarter than all our great sages , and that he is god .
73. #68 & 72 Really, nothing from the j4j crowd - thanks
Josh   (11.26.07)
74. Draft them now!
Gliker ,   Israel/TX   (11.26.07)
Send the haredim to tironut right now! What a disgusting breach of moral code to not fight with your brothers, religious or not. You can stick your Torah up your ass, haredi boy.
75. #67 David
Ephraim ,   Diaspora   (11.26.07)
David, it is obvious you don't follow any book. You certainly don't follow Torah which teaches to love your enemies. If what is gushing from your heart as is evident from your post is the type of religion which comes from Judaism then it is obvious why Israel has so many enemies. I am thankful to the Father that you are not a representative of true Torah observant Y'hudi. If you want to see the true heart of a Torah observant Y'hudi, you should take a long hard look at Yeshua of Natzeret who taught to love HaShem with all ones being ant to love their neighbor as themselves is to truely be Torah observant. Because He told you the truth about the Prushim and their traditions you reject Him. You would rather follow men and their traditions rather than Torah, so get off your holy high horse and go learn Torah and discover your Moshiach!
76. So them defend yourself
Mordechai   (11.26.07)
However do you agree that the IDF should not defend you if you are attacked by terrorists. Relocate this man to Schem. Let his Torah study defend him as he has no need for the IDF.
77. Issue two my money is not yours
Mordechai   (11.26.07)
Israel should cut off all support for charedi yeshivot. After all he will be supported by G-d and does not need the support of man. Diaspora Jews also should not support charedi yeshivot. Let them pray and and G-d support them.
78. Charedim are not Orthodox Jews
Mordechai   (11.26.07)
I just want to make it clear charedim are not Orthodox Jews. Orthodox Jews follow the Torah which requires Jews to serve in the army. Charedim follow pick and choose judaism where they ignore difficult mitzvot such as army service and working. They are no different than the reform.
79. My "talmid" , Joseph P.
charles ,   petach tikva   (11.26.07)
If you need to stay in your ghetto to preserve your "purity" you are very weak in your belief , my boy . A true religious man , does'nt need a ghetto , he is strong enough , and can resist all temptations . You see my boy , you have to learn much more , to be strong in your belief , then nobody can influence you . There is no merit to resist temptations if you stay in your ghetto . Let the seculars and nice women come in your life , then show that you can resist them . Don't fear their presence near you , they will not turn you away from the way your Rebbe has teached you if you are strong in your belief .
80. E*hraim, the Torah does not say that!
David ,   Jerusalem   (11.26.07)
You obviously don't read the Torah in Hebrew. There are two things we are not to do to the goyim, that's not to steal and not to murder. We know what our Torah say's and that's too bad you don't like it. Take it up with the One who decided to give us the Torah and not yourselves. We practice the Torah of love your neighbor. That is fellow Jews. You are not my neighbor, therefore I don't have to love you as per the Torah you claim that I don't follow. If I don't steal from you, nor murder you, I follow the Torah perfectly. As far as your "yeshua" goes, he taught Jews to follow the Torah, he never taught goyim anything. You sound like the typical anti-semite who hates Torah but loves the man-god of roman paganism. We will know when the messiah comes, that I can assure you. What's even funnier, is that in your book, it claims that this yeshu rejects all you who prayed in his name, healed in his name etc.
81. #80 David
Ephraim ,   Diaspora   (11.27.07)
David, Devarim 10:19, "You shall love the proselyte for you were strangers in the land of Egypt." (Stone edition Tanach) Perhaps your rabbi's have created a tradition to destroy this mitzvot. You call me anti-semite and you don't even know me. What is in your heart toward Esau and Yishma'el? Are they not semite? Do I detect a little hypocracy here? I would like to love you as a brother should David. I only ask that you don't insult my Adonai. It is blasphemy. I am sure you and your sages know the Torah much better than I, but I am trying to live it as best I can. How is your walk David? Do you think your Rabbi's will instruct me, or will they tell me to go and live the Noahide laws? You see, David, my Torah tells me it is for all who will join themselves to Israel but all I here from Jews today is that they hate me. Well, I am more spiritual than that. I love you even if you do hate me. That is what my Rabbi Yeshua taught me. I would be glad to introduce you to Him if you wish to join me in prayer.
82. #79 j4j resist temptation?!
Josh   (11.27.07)
..and deliver, etc. Charles go back into your closet and pray to your non-g-d Yehoshua/Yeshu/Jesus if your going to spew his teachings. "Let the seculars and nice women come in your life , then show that you can resist them ." You clearly dont know Rabinic Torah bPeh Charles. It is a Chistian thing to embrace those who do what you would consider evil. From the view point of the Haredi, that is. Secondly only a Christian would want to resist a "good" woman. Remember Jews are not about sin of the flesh the way Chistians are. If a good woman comes along, you should marry her. I of course do not see Haredi in any better light than I see the seculars. They both are sinning.
83. Charles: Reb is not a "Rebbe"
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (11.27.07)
It's a title like "Mr." used for "heimishe yidden". How about testing YOUR anti-chareidi strength and joining a lecture in Or Sameach or Arachim and see if you'll stay that strong to fight against the people you mock?
84. #78 Mordechai
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (11.27.07)
You sound like "the" real orthodox Jew who keeps one and only mitzvah of joining an immoral anti-Torah army. Now go back to my comment #27
85. Josh
LNT ,   USA   (11.27.07)
If you want my pastor's response to all your Messiah questions, they are posted on the old story we were posting to. Go to story: Majority of secular public views rabbinical authority 'irrelevant'
86. jossele P , my talmid
charles ,   petach tikva   (11.27.07)
You have'nt to try to teach me Yiddish , i know it maybe better than you . Reb is more than Mr , it's more honorific . I'm not anti charidi , there are very fine people amongst them who have contributed to our country in a great way [ look at the founders of Yad Sara and Ezer Mitzyon ] I'm against those who want to impose their lifestyle on the whole population , i'm against those hatefull charidi faces we have seen in our Capital . I never said no to an invitation by Charidi friends of me , one of them , a chassid Gur , a very tolerant and understanding person who contrary to those i'm talking to on this site , is a TRUE believer , not only by words , but by deeds . Try to follow his path , jossele
87. Josh , disguting goy
charles ,   petach tikva   (11.27.07)
You know the christians , i not . You are always talking about this jesus or whatever how you call this one you are praying to , i not . Hold him for yourself , i'm not praying , certainly not to this one your mouth is always full with , this cruxified one .
88. what needs to be done
tom ,   toronto, canada   (11.28.07)
yes, i do understand that neither the hareidim, nor the arabs, really believe in western ideals like equality and democracy, but nevertheless, the state of israel does, and as such, it should "walk the walk". by this i mean that there should only be ONE kind of citizen in israel, with all the same rights and obligations as every other citizen, regardless of race or religion. there are too many "special cases" - hareidim, arabs, naturei carta, olim, disadvantaged people in new towns, left-handed redheads, and on and on, who all get special treatment. these exceptions only undermine the national spirit, and make the "ordinary israeli" feel exploited and abused. the laws should apply to everyone equally, and then it should be up to zahal to decide who is needed to serve where and how. it is an insult to any citizen to be told that they are not good enough to serve, and i am truly surprised that, unlike the druze, neither the hareidim nor the arabs have the sense or the pride to see this.
89. Rabbi David Fuchs
Nechami ,   Mercaz   (11.28.07)
His article on hebrew ynet is the only REAL answer and opinionworth reading. The others are just( lamely) trying to find excuses, ALL of them, even the slightly desperate sounding opinion of the chareidi weekly publication ( reads english ynet??? we know others like that, don't we.. ) Ynet hopefully will translate this amazing person who is a credit to the TRUE chareidi world, not the 'others' who sadly, succeed in posing as the majority.
90. Leftist Propaganda!
TzVi ,   NY   (03.02.12)
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