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Gay adoption not for Jews
Yitzhak Cohen
Published: 20.12.07, 17:22
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31. #18 - should white families be allowed to adopt black
redmiike ,   tel aviv and london   (12.21.07)
children? At present this is not permitted in most countries because it is felt that black children (for example) need to be put into families that are culturally correct. So the black kids remain in orphanges. You are extremely defensive! I haven't attacked gays at all and only expressed my concern for the children. I sincerely hope that your son grows up to be happy and healthy. Mike
32. I am horrified
Shir ,   Finland   (12.21.07)
This should not be even discussed in Israel. In Finland they brought a bill of law permitting Christian gay couples to marry in Christian Church (currently civil marriage is only option), but the Finnish Parliament rejected the bill. I´m so grateful for that. Israelis say they want all Jews and half-Jews and quarter-Jews to return to Israel, but why would we return somewhere where they don´t preserve Jewish traditions, morals and values anymore. If gay adoptions are permitted in Israel there is no place for conservative Jews to come back to. After all israel is JEWISH country, not a land of immoral debauchery.
33. Think about it like this
Shir ,   Finland   (12.21.07)
Would YOU like to be born into a family of gay parents? Other kids would laugh at you and ridicule when would see your two dads holding hands and kiss each other. You´d be teased at school and most kids would want to have anything to do with you. If the child is a boy, kids would think he is that way too. And what kind of example do gay parents set for the child? It is not only twisted and warped to put a child into that kind of situation and expose him to all that ridicule, but CRUEL. If you don´t value Jewish morals and traditions at least think about the children and what they have to go through.
34. #14 - and adoption into a 'bad' homosexual family ?
redmiike ,   tel aviv and london   (12.21.07)
You obviously aren't suggesting that no homosexual families are 'bad' or have 'problems', so what is that you want to say. Please start again. There are bad heterosexual couples and bad gay couples but ... Sadly most gays that are posting are super defensive which I understand but they are only defending their right to be gay and not considering the children which is the real issue. Mike
35. Gay ,smay, kids need a home
Petra ,   usa   (12.21.07)
Those who reject gay adoption are comdemning the kids to orphanages, accompanied by a feeling that no one cares. It is the classic backdrop for sadness and eventually, many crimes. In the US 50% of all marriages end in divorce. Each year we give to hungry children and their familes, American kids forgotten by the 'system'. Gay partners make great parents. Most pedophiles are NOT gay. Whatever your faith, open your heart like the 'Good Samaritan". Love isn't restricted by 'religion'. Neither are brains or morality. Those like the pedophile priests should be jailed until age 80 at a minimum. Kids are our future, our hope, our legacy. Gays are born that way doesn't make them bad it just makes them different. As I recall, Gays, Jews, Jahovah witnesses, priests, the mentally ill, were all murdered by the nazis in a show of 'equality' in punishment. Meanwhile the depravity of the same men who assured the murders, enjoyed drugs, theft, the occult, and mass murder unabated, while managing to convinve the Germans that they were reaching a 'pure blood' society. The Aryan nation? If we don't learn from the past, we are comdemned to repeating it. It isn't the gays who harm most children, it's the family or worse, sometimes, the state. Gay is a condition not a disease that can be 'treated' any more than a straight' can be made gay. If you don't adopt, don't stop others who would. For the sake of the child. A true orphan is one of the saddest conditions known to man or woman.
36. # 5 Rivkah
Petra ,   usa   (12.21.07)
Perhaps you should seek other studies. I've lost some wonderful gay friends at the ripe old age of 80! We have known them in show biz and I can tell you, they were the best friends you could ask for. I miss them so much. Certainly some of the most compassionate, kind people I have ever had the priveledge to meet. No one knows for sure why the chemistry in the brain acts as it does but let me ask you why this should matter to you if not to make an attack on gays? No one is asking to sleep with you so, why bother to condemn something you are so obviously afraid of? It might interest you to know that even in the plant and animal world, 'gayness' is evident. Are you suggesting G-d made a mistake and that only you and your 'studies' are right? I suggest toherwise. We find now that Abraham Lincoln was gay. Does that deminish his genius? Who cares who sleeps with whom? Unless you're paparazzi forget about it, already. No news, no hoopla just good folks trying to raise good kids. Find other studies, this one is embarassing you. Shalom
37. # 14 Liliane Amen Lady, Amen to that!
Petra ,   usa   (12.21.07)
38. # 31 Red Mike Not so
Petra ,   usa   (12.21.07)
Many blacks are adopted by whites here in the states. Perhaps you haven't heard? The American Indiands have tried successfully to keep their kids in an Indian home. On the adoption papers we signed, there is a space especially for Indian kids, NOT blacks. We are all G-ds children, black white, yellow, and red. One family one tribe, humanoids. G-d must enjoy the rainbow of colors more than some of us. Shalom
39. # 33 Shir here's one for you
Petra ,   usa   (12.21.07)
We have a realtor friend who years after knowing him told us his dad was gay. Perhaps you should know that many gay men marry to 'have a beard". Many gay women as well.( w/o the beard but, social acceptance.) Should these kids like our friend be tortured due to the ignorance of those like you? The kids are innocent no matter whether or not their mom, dad, are gay. Stop the crap and tell the truth, you're homphobic and use 'religion' to excuse your bigotry. Gays are people, not pedophiles. Their lives are sad enough without you beating them to death with your false sense of morality. Israels sins are not your business or mine. Live and let live. I know many gays who are wonderful citizens. I've read of some horrific 'straights' who commit the worst of crimes and you might say, "it's ok, they're not gay'. If you didn't act cruel there would be no cruelty. BTW our friend never heard this as the facade of a marriage was completed. Got it?
40. #38 - let's see how the 'experiement' works out ?!
redmiike ,   tel aviv and london   (12.21.07)
I left the States 15 years ago and of course don't know the individual adoption laws for every country. You make my point by mentioning American Indians. This article should have been called "Gay adoption not for anyone" because the world is certainly not ready for it. Gays may selfishly adopt children that will be stigmatized because of them and will most probably grow up confused because of them. Many successful people grew up in orphanages and foster homes and we shall see how the present 'experiment' works out for kids that were raised in gay families. Mike
41. #40 redmike, just plain wrong
Sidney ,   USA   (12.21.07)
December 21, 2007 Study Quantifies Orphanage Link to I.Q. By BENEDICT CAREY Psychologists have long believed that growing up in an institution like an orphanage stunts children’s mental development but have never had direct evidence to back it up. Now they do, from an extraordinary years-long experiment in Romania that compared the effects of foster care with those of institutional child-rearing. The study, being published on Friday in the journal Science, found that toddlers placed in foster families developed significantly higher I.Q.’s by age 4, on average, than peers who spent those years in an orphanage.
42. why? is it better to have kids in institutions?
God   (12.21.07)
Why gays cant be great parents? why it is better to have parents phedophiles? or narcomans,or heavy drinkers? Gay is not a sick person!! there are many very good people that are gays. So why it is wrong that children without parents will have parents? בעברית זה גומל חסידם לתת לילדים להיות כמשפחה אוהבת ולא במשפחה שמזניחה ושונאת ילדים
43. Shas is bullshitting!!!
GOD   (12.21.07)
Our mission is to safeguard our Jewish spinal cord says Shas and abuse children,rape ,kill....that is your mission? you mr cohen should know better ,cause Judgement Day is closer then you think!! Dosim dont work,rape their kids,molest them and talk about .....religion? where is says that it is against the religion that Gays will adopt a kid and will make his life better and happier better then You do? Which Book says that?????? Did you ever read about Gomel Hasidim????????????????????
44. #31 -- Transracial Adoption
Gay Jewish Dad ,   Washington DC   (12.21.07)
Redmike, Thanks (seriously) for the good wishes. As to the issue of transracial adoption, most Western countries do allow it (US, Canada, W Europe, and indeed Israel). Yes, there are a lot of issues to take into account but a child is better off in a family than in an institution -- a study was just highlighted in today's NYT about the harmful effects of orphanages on children. As a dad to a transracially adopted (Latino) child, I do appreciate the challenges, and make a lot of effort, including Jewishly, to connect my son to his birthculture.
45. 39
Shir   (12.21.07)
Should little Israeli children have to grow up in a morally corrupted environment where they can´t preserve their Jewish faith and Jewish traditions anymore just because gay people selfishly want to spread their immoral lifestyle and activities everywhere? Gays are actually well represented among pedophiles, while you claimed they are not. Although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses. Ynet should not censor this, because they allow people to tell lies in order to defend gay people too. You seem to think that you are a particurarly tolerant and good person defending homosexual when in fact you seem incapable of feeling sympathy to the children who suffer when they are exposed to constant teasing and torment, because they have to live with two dads. They have to live in an unnatural environment and in addition to that they are tormented and bullied outside home. What about a heterosexual young adult man who has been brought up by homosexuals. Where does he get the example of an adult man and husband? In that kind of environment a straight young man might get confused and that might result to mental problems. I´ll put it really simple for you: children don´t have to suffer because of adults´ selfish needs.
46. #25 - Believes in Human Morality???
Chaya ,   Bat Yam, Israel   (12.21.07)
And multiple partners are okay??? You have turned sex from a way that a man and wife express love to nothing more than a way to 'pass the time.' That is just how diseases are transmitted!! I saw the disgusting photos of the 'gay parade' in San Francisco, with people copulating in the streets in front of children!! What a twisted way of thinking!! And where did you get the idea that King David had 1,000 wives??? And you are no more a Jew than my dog is! Judaism isn't a club that you can decide to join one day!! A group of people from a Black church in Cairo, Illinois recently converted to Judaism. THEY know what Judaism is. You don't! Hopefully, you will realize that what you are doing is so terribly wrong just like the former editor of "Venus" magazine has done.
47. I lived next door to gay parents
anonymous ,   West Hollywood   (12.21.07)
Most of my neighbors are gay and I have gay friends. They include a gay man with kids and a lesbian with kids. The latter lived next door to me for 10 years. I feel sorry for those children. Their mom or dad is always changing partners. They continuously bring strangers into the home. The adult sleeping in their parent's bed could be the same for a couple of years, but usually it's for a couple of months. Most of their mom or dad's friends are gay, too. The children are immersed in the gay lifestyle. They are now young adults with emotional problems. Israel doesn't need this.
48. And what would Rabbi Cohen have to say about Moses?
Petra ,   usa   (12.21.07)
or Joseph Just curious....
49. # 45 Shir,
Petra ,   usa   (12.21.07)
I AM NOT DEFENDING HOMOSEXUALITY. I AM DEFENDING THE KIDS WHO WOULD OTHERWISE BE LEFT TO LANGUISH IN A 'FOSTER HOME' OR ORPHANAGE WHERE MANY ARE ABUSED AND RAPED. Have you adopted? We have so, tolerance is not the theme, love is. Try it, kids need love not judgment as you say other kids do. IT COMES from bigots like you. KIds care less whether their natural mother or father is gay. Kids want to be cared for and loved. You should think about the kids not your unnecesary vicious comments about the kids you would jdge to remain in instituions where YOU belong. G-d made the kids and you make intolerable judgments that harms the same kids who need a home. Pedophilia comes from many sources, NOT generally from a commited gay couple.
50. #41 - you pick Romania !! he he
redmiike ,   tel aviv and london   (12.21.07)
this has one of the worst records in the world for child welfare. Children tied up in chairs and not allowed to go to the toilet. You can do better than that. How about figures on children raised by two gay parents? A link please? I understand that this subject is hard on gays but the general gay response here is 'better by a good gay family than a bad straight one'. If I were gay I'd be offended by that. How about comparing children being raised by a good straight couple or a bad gay one. No apples and oranges please :-) Mike
51. 42 - why compare good gays with bad straights ?
redmiike ,   tel aviv and london   (12.21.07)
it's obvious why, but it won't wash. If I were gay and somebody told me, 'hey good gays are better than bad straights'. I wouldn't like it. Mike
52. There is no understanding of deep spirituality in gay commun
Yaakov Sullivan ,   NY   (12.21.07)
When gays will be main stream ( like in anchent Rome civilization) we can have peace in the world. Imagine gay President of United States, gay Prime Minister of Israel and gay Rais of Palestine! Imagine the understanding and brotherhood in the world! Unfortunately Rabin wasn't gay when arafat was indeed, this is the reason nothing worked out. Even Jesus was gay, but was never understood. This is the reason we need to start educating our next generation for peace. Many Catholic popes were gay, for example Julious the Fifth. This is the reason I started our own gay religion, consisting out of oldTestement, Quaran, New Testement and Sharia. This is the only way to promote peace on Earth. Shalom, Saalam, Peace.
53. 49 Please
Shir   (12.21.07)
They would be adopted in loving, good STRAIGHT families. A kid has the right to choose whether he or she wants to be adopted into a normal straight family or an abnormal family with two dads. Little babies can´t make decisions like that, that´s why adults have the responsibility to protect them. Like I already said, homosexuals are less than 5% of all people and regardless 30% of sex crimes against children are committed by homosexuals. This tells me all I need to know. By the way you didn´t really offer any new points or insights into the matter.
54. Thank you for telling the truth 47
Shir   (12.21.07)
55. only heteros should marry...
Royboy-Israeli in DC ,   Washington DC   (12.22.07)
1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, liposuction and air conditioning. 2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall. 3) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract. 4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal. 5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed. 6) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children. 7) Obviously, gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children. 8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America. 9) Children can never succeed without both a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children. 10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans...
56. @47anonymous , West Hollywood
ben ,   singapore   (12.22.07)
I was waiting for some one to cite a true case and you did.I came just to Thank you : -) Putting the orphans with homosexual peopel is the worst emotional distress .It is inhuman , degrading and oppressive. That ALL ! Without Apologies ben singapore
57. #50 redmike, still wrong
Sidney ,   USA   (12.22.07)
I did not pick Romania, researchers did and the article is from the respected journal Science. Also note that this study was used to confirm what pyschologists have long believed. I am not gay but unlike you am not a bigot. You don't have to be a Jew to oppose anti-Semitism.
58. Me thinks thou doth protest too much
Petra ,   usa   (12.22.07)
Larry Craig, Taggert ( the minister), Mark Foley. And even the Rabbi on 'NBC's How To Catch A Predator." All screamed at gays until they were found with their pants around their knees, promoting sex with males.
59. # 47 Funny, I lived in Hollywierd also
Petra ,   usa   (12.22.07)
And had an experience living near a family without a mother. The father and brothers used the poor sister/daughter as the communal 'hooker' with no pay. Plain old fashioned incest. Is that better than gays?
60. I hope no one listens to this guy!
CA   (12.22.07)
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