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Don’t repeat mistake of 2000
Yossi Beilin
Published: 08.03.08, 22:10
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1. It's the Leftist's Responsibility
M. Duvduvani ,   Yokneam   (03.08.08)
Mr. Beilin is wrong. The blame lies simply with the Leftists like himself 3who have encouraged the ideas of "Arab Revolt" . He, Shimon Peres, Yossi Sarid, Zehava Galon and the like are the ones who have encouraged them. They think the nicer we are to the arabs the more they will like us but the opposite is the truth. The nicer we are to them, the more they will simply feel comfortable to express their hatred.
2. Yossi Beilin an Merdets
gabriela ben ari ,   jerusalem   (03.08.08)
This idiot does not understand that NOTHING has been done to detter the enemy. Whatever operation Israel did, was a cosmetic defensive operation. Exactly a --strong response-- would have been what could have stoped Arabs to feel so confi in their endless attacks. It worked wonders with Begin, it shoud work these days too. Instead of prosecuting terrorists and their families, look who and gvmt puts in jail !Merdhttp://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125486erts
3. Beillin rewriting history to cover his own failures
eddie ,   London UK   (03.08.08)
This man is totally insane. He is lying, an falsifying historical events. Afert the Oslo agreements, to which he was an author, the violence began, in a spate of stabbings, shootings and then the bombings. Rabin/Peres/Beillin had given immunity to Arafat and the PLo for their murderous acts, in return for a pice of paper. The new Oslo war killed many Israeli civilians. This war did not really stop,a nd the Labour government or Rabin/Peres did not act harshly to put it dow. They occasionally bombed lebanon symbolically. The netanyahu government was shortlived, and this gave way to the Barak Labout government. After Camp David, the violence resurged, Barak did not emply an iron fist. He bombed a few empty buildings. His dismal failure led to the unthinkable - Ariel Sharon - who was once Israel's most reviled man became its saviour, just like in 1973. This time, the freedom given to the terrorists, the import of 50,000 armed PLO terrorists from Tunis and the supply of weapons to them by Labour, was a long hard battle to overcome. Beilling is misrepresenting the facts, and reversing cause and effect. He claims "The iron fist gave rise to hatred, revenge, and many clenched fists ". Oh really? And what was the iron fist in response to? To open hands and roses and olive branches? No, it was in response to bus bombings, cafe bombings, Passover massacres. It was in response to Labour's failure to defend Israel. The people voted out labour and assigned them to the garbage can, leading Beillin to join Meretz! He is bitter that he is no longer the shadow prime minister. Today, Olmert is in a similar position to Barak of 2000. A weak leader, with no expereince, skill or public confidence. Ironcially, Barak is now the Sharon of 2000, the great ex general who is talking tough (he was Sharon's military protoge of course!). The mistake of 2000 was not Sharon and Ben Eliezer's defence of their country. It was Camp David. The Mistake of today and 07 was Annapolis. Each peace conference brings its war. Oslo, Camp David, now Annapolis. Beillin is nuts. And his policies have led to th emany thousands of deaths since Oslo.
4. Gaby
charles ,   petach tikva   (03.08.08)
It did wonders with Begin ? What ? We gave up the Sinai , and now they smuggle all their weapons from there , indeed wonders , ask it to the residents of the South , what kind of wonders they live . The only wonders : that there are no more victims . Now , for me Yossi Beilin is still a dreamer . For him "tout le monde il est beau , tout le monde il est gentil" , all our opponents are "nice" people . His intentions are good , but he his not realistic .
5. Beilin ......Go read the Palastinian Charter!
3Jay3 ,   Israel   (03.08.08)
" It appeared we already reached a calmer period. Only recently we were thankful for the relative quiet of 2007, yet again we see ambulances, the dead, and the wounded." It seems Mr Beilin is oblivious to the fact that missiles have and are being fired at Sderot, Ashkelon and Ashdod! Thats right, Ashdod, Israels 5th largest city, but the press has been keeping it hush hush! To say we have nothing to lose is ignoring the damage and deaths that the missiles are achieving. Mr Beilin is an utter disgrace and has done more damage to this country than any other person.....including Peres! The half hearted military incursion last week was an absolute farce, and the only way we can defeat Hamass is a full scale assault....not just one battalion! Elections now and get rid of these inept fools!
6. Beilin created the aparthied in the West Bank
Adam ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (03.08.08)
It was more democratic and free before Oslo
7. Has Yossi Beilin ever been right about anything?
Sidney ,   USA   (03.08.08)
8. how do you know if beilin is expousing a bad idea?
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his lips are moving.
9. So what was reason for Jewish hatred before 2000?
Jack ,   San Diego, USA   (03.08.08)
10. Is he naive? Or just obtuse?
ariel   (03.08.08)
They will hate us... Well, the corollary is that if the Israelis DO NOT respond in kind, the Arabs will love us. Before 2000, they were offering free flowers and candy... What is he smoking?
11. My Dear Doctor Beilin. Yossele. Bubbe.
Gideon Reader   (03.08.08)
Ahh! My Dear Doctor Beilin. Have you read latest my paper on my theory of Mortal Repression of Savage Raging Political Recividism?? Just killing the buggers appears to work marvelously! And it is not even necessary that they like us. Simply fascinating, don't you think?
12. beilin
Bob ,   US   (03.08.08)
Now I undestand, if the US and England and russia had been nicer to Germny then WW II would never have happened. Same goes for 9/11, southern Thailand, southern Philippines, Madrid, London. He does not discuss victory.
13. Yossi Beilin: "We have nothing to lose"
Andras Bereny ,   Kfar Tapuah, Ephraim   (03.08.08)
Yossi Beilin: "We have nothing to lose" Bereny: Yes, we have. And don't use "we" as if you were Israel. You are Ismael and financed by Europe.
14. beilin is a walking mistake, that keeps on giving food for
thought to the ,   terrorists   (03.09.08)
15. As Lenin Said: Useful Idiot; Who's paying him?
David ,   Montreal   (03.09.08)
16. Dreamer Beilin's rationale: no acceptance of an insane enemy
Scott   (03.09.08)
I've never met him; I'm sure he's a very nice man with good intentions but unfortunately, one the main reasons why dear old Yossi's ideas have remained marginalized, only embraced by minorities, is that he fails fundamentally to make realistic adjustments to his approach to cater for the mentality of the enemy. He has spent his whole time trying to heal his countrymen's attitude when its not they who need his help, but the enemy. This blind lack of acceptance of the enemy's psyche, his total lack of recognition of the "cause" of any resulting "effect" in the conflict - at a primary level, make him a complete irrelevance, in fact he and others like him are pests, just getting in the way of those trying to deal with the problem.
17. Dreamer Beilin's rationale: no acceptance of an insane enemy
Scott   (03.09.08)
Poor old Yossi. He continues trying to heal the attitude of his countrymen when its not them who need his help and persuasion, but the enemy. Yossi and friends, certainly well meaning - but totally blind to reality and not at all accommodating to the unbelievable , sick mentality of the enemy. He and Olmert will take Israel down. (almost without any help from anyone else)
18. Why did we give assault weapons to terrorists?
Dr eric ,   TA   (03.09.08)
There was no justification in the world to give nachine guns to terrorist!!! Oslo failed for tha reason!!
19. OSLO ERRORS
Dr ERIC ,   TA   (03.09.08)
Why was there never an investigational committee reveiwing the Oslo Disaster??? The reason Israel is repeating the same mistakes is because we haven't recognized our mistakes!! 1) giving guns to terrorists 2)ignoring the PA's preaching and teaching hate 3)giving up soo much and getting nothing in return 4) Israel was not given any guarantees to confirm that the PA would keep their promises
20. Question
Manuel ,   Buenos Aires   (03.09.08)
Can Beilin statements appease the grieving inhabitants of the City of Sderot ? For how long they would be able to withstand the painful noise of the bombs and the destruction of their homes everyday, over and over again
21. Another Jerusalem yeshiva was saved ..
Second massacre   (03.09.08)
from Palestinian attack four days before Mercaz Harav murders http://www.debka.com/
22. alienated
arie pen ,   haifa israel   (03.09.08)
this guy seems not to live in Israel, our country is being bombed for more than 2 years - and them comes this self centered parlamentar , who is incapable to ajust his mind to different situations. Israel as any country must retaliate imediately - people like Beilin are a disaster for israel world propaganda. why is he getting even a milimeter of media space?
23. We are of to see Yossi the wonderfull Yossi Belin of Oz
zionist forever   (03.09.08)
In Belins world if we give the palestians enough and we act weak then they will accept us. Yes we were tough in 2000 but thats not the reason we have terror today and its not the reason this terrorist murdered 8 yeshiva students in cold blood. is the new government policy to be you killed a jew but hey we dont want to make you violent so we will do nothing and just pretend it never happened. The man still cant see that oslo has failed miserably and no matter how many times you change the name the oslo format is dead. As for Gilad of course everybody wants him back but the blind men like Belin dont seem to understand that if you release 1000 terrorists ( many with blood on their hands for a single man then you will get Gilad back today yes we are all happy but you will have just put 1000 terrorists back on the streets and the terrorists will also see kidnaping works putting all Israelis at risk because they know they take even 1 man they can demand a very high price and Israel will pay that price. The only way to ensure saftey of Israelis in future is to say we dont do deals with terrorists we wont give you even 1 man back but if you dont give him back we will punish you. We will switch out the lights for days at a time not a couple of hours and thats just the begining. We will cut off ALL the gas to Gaza we wont just reduce supplies. We will increase our attacks against your leaders. We make them beg us to take Gilad back. Yossi also needs to read the newspapers, Hamas are not offering a truce for Gilad they want a prisoner exchange but ending rocket attacks is another matter not conected. Surrender untill iron dome isnt the solution if something is going to be done then Israel must go on the offensive. I wonder what Belin would have said if in 1976 the Israeli government decided that sending comandos to Entebbe to rescue hostages taken by terrorists wasnt the way to solve problems the solution was giving into their demands? Sadly the spirit of Entebbe is dead in Israel its easier today to just do deals and give into terrorist demands than take risks and fight for your interests Belin though seems to be one of those men who would not only disagree to an operation like that before it happened but after it had succesfully been carried out he would publicly condem it saying it wasnt good for Israel to upset Idi Amin and the terrorists. Belin wants to negotiate with palestians so we can make peace and allow the palestians to have a better life. well Belin was a major player in the creation of the original oslo accords, he shook Arafats hand saw him as a man of peace, wanted us to make concesions to him. Belin wants to put his head in the sand and pretend we can have peace if we just make ourselves vuenerable enough.
24. whats the argument
Aharon ,   Givat Shmuel Israel   (03.09.08)
Beilin youve been wrong so many times you are do for a win? Is there any issue your policies havent led to disaster on? Have your predictions ever come true?
25. The failure of the Oslo agreement.
Jean Van Daem   (03.09.08)
The current path to peace is a failure : It is simply not working, wasn’t working, and will never work. After 15 years, billions of dollars in aid, and unlimited diplomatic support,” the Palestinians have nothing to show or to offer. The solution to the presence of the Arabs west of the Jordan should be find elsewere as explained at : http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2007/12/oslo-lesson-that-was-never-learnt-part_4002.html
26. The real mistake of 2000 was Camp David
Bartley Kulp ,   Safed, Israel   (03.09.08)
27. There will never be peace .......
Malone ,   Hfx   (03.09.08)
......as long as the pal mindset is as it is.....any concessions,goodwill gesture,appeasing is seen as weakness and the arabs will use any feeble excuse to claim victory and trumpet it world wide. Force is all they understand and if Israel ever wakes up,gets rid of Olmert,maybe then can the terrorists be destroyed..until Hamas is gone peace will never happen.
28. Once again the left is digging another hole for us
YSL ,   Haifa Israel   (03.09.08)
The left has and is causing enormous trouble for us with their pie in the sky airie fairie ideas.Yossi Beilin the peddler of shoddy goods.
29. I hope he's just crazy
Ignatious Mucklefutz ,   America   (03.09.08)
This guy is either delusional or a liar. The Palestinians signed am agreement that supposedly ended terrorism. They never abided by anything in the agreement. They taught their population nothing but hatred towards Israel. Their schools taught the children that Jews were devils and pigs and apes. They got their own sovereign territory when Israel gave up Gaza and then launched thousands of rockets at Sderot. Yet this horse's ass continues to make public pronouncements---as if anyone listens to him except the hardcore left. Go away!
30. Fine, Let's Send Them Some Sponge Cake And Cookies
David ,   Marietta USA   (03.09.08)
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