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Peres: New Poland one of Israel's greatest EU allies
Aviram Zino
Published: 17.04.08, 16:12
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1. Shut up this useless president of Israel!
Jack ,   San Diego, USA   (04.17.08)
2. Poland is the most anti-Semitic country in the world
Eyal ,   Jerusalem   (04.17.08)
Thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of Jews would have been saved without the cooperation-enthusiasm-of the Poles during the Holocaust. Not to mention the history of pogroms and murders. Anyone who has visited Poland recently has seen the anti-Semitic graffitti that is everywhere. The German people have grapped with their history and worked to overcome it. The Polish people still deny their crimes and their supporting role in the Holocaust.
3. PERES
Richard Cohen ,   London UK   (04.17.08)
What use is Jack of San Diego to Israel
4. "Poles helped the Germans" nonsense
Jack ,   Vancouver Canada   (04.17.08)
Eyal, Poland never collaborated or "cooperated" with Nazi Germany in any way in extermination of Jews. There was NO COLLABORATION between Christian Poles and the Geramans - NONE or very little like cases of blakmail (szmalcowniki) Your arguments that all Poles were and are anti-Semitic are simply not true and quite stupid. Perhaps you are referring to incidents in the village of Jedwabne and Kielce which of course happened but that does not reflect the behaviour of vast majority of Polish population at that time. I think you really need to read more on the subject to understand this tragic and complicated period in Polish history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Poland or you here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_for_the_Holocaust As Simon Wisenthal once said: no nation has monopoly on idiots and if you will keep posting nonsense on these talkbacks and refuse to educate yourself that may one day refer to you refer to you. Please don't become one.
5. Peres, who made you the representative of the dead ??
Harry   (04.17.08)
who made you the representative of those who were brutally murdered with the help of the Polish antisemites. who made you the representative of the living in general and certainlly the survivors regarding Poland. You are the same garbage that would commute the prison time of arab terrorist who murdered jews. Have you ever commuted a Jew ???
6. Polish Complicity In The Shoah Is A Myth
# 5, 2 & soon other ,   Vancouver Canada   (04.17.08)
According to Steve Paulsson a Senior Historian of the Holocaust Exhibition at the Oxford Centre - Yale University - Polish Complicity In The Shoah Is A Myth. http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/special_reports/?content_id=5962 But I guess you all "Poland haters" know better right ?
7. Eyal, # 2
Roman ,   Warsaw, Poland   (04.17.08)
I'm sure that Poland is NOT the most anti-Semitic country in the World. And I'm also sure that Israel has to many ignorant people in who hate Poland the MOST in the World. Positive attitude of Poles towards Israel and Israelis may change one day because of people like #2 and #5. and Poland may became like France for example. Do you really want that ? Attempts by some of rewriting the history , such as "Poles supported the Holocaust" ether purposely or by ignorance will backfire one day.
8. the poles
mike ,   london   (04.17.08)
Jack. If you ask a pole whether anti semitism fills the veins of that people the only truthful answer will be "yes"
9. What about my Father's Property?
Scott Neuman ,   Okemos, MI   (04.17.08)
Peres, as Prime Minister of Israel should be telling the Poles to return Jewish Property. The Poles stole countless buildings from the Jews during and after the Holocaust. Peres should refer to www://polandinjustice.com to get the real picture.
10. #4, you been to Poland lately?
3Jay3 ,   Israel   (04.17.08)
Anti semetism is still rife as a remnant of the Nazi Regimes horrific legacy. Go walking in most major cities at night wearing a yamulka on your head and see what happens.
11. SCOTT, STOP YOUR NONSENSE!
Greg ,   LA, USA   (04.17.08)
Stop spreading this lying BS here and on your website that POLES stole anything from you and the Jews. Stop it! Poles didn't steal ANYTHING from you, are you that limited not to understand what happened after the war?!
12. #4
Greg ,   LA, USA   (04.17.08)
", you been to Poland lately?" have you? "wearing a yamulka on your head and see what happens" nothing will happen. As nothing happens to Chasidic Jews, clearely Jewishy-Jewish, walking on the streets of Polish cities. But I wonder what would happened, if I was waling on Israeli streets speaking Polish - I would be stoned to death, shot, perhaps? Some other form of sudden death? Jugding by the level of hate toward Poles and Poland being poured out on this very forum, that would most likely happen.
13. hatred and ignorance
vicky ,   USA   (04.17.08)
Sometimes when I am in a good mood I like to read people's comments and all I am seeing in them is that: 1.people in Israel are totally ignorant about the world and it's history. 2.while demanding respect for their own country and culture most of the comments are not only rude and racist towards those who helped them the most during WWII,but also many of you are trying to rewrite the history to justify your own bigotry. 3.while Poland is trying to please Israel any way they possibly can most of Israelis are openly hostile towards my mother country,it's history,it's people and their sacrifices t made to help you out during the darkest day in your history. Do we have love one another,because the way our leaders are trying to push us together ,it does not work at all. After reading comments in many of your papers all I'm seeing is pure and blind HATRED toward Poles and Poland. Maybe you can work with your own leaders to stop that artificially cultivated friendship since neither party is happy about the outcome.
14. I love Germany
Ron ,   USA   (04.17.08)
I think that Israel should forget about Poland and start making friend with Germans.Poles are nasty and antysemitic but Germans were always your best friends,while Poles were always your worst enemies. It's true I also would be afraid what would happen to me had I have to wear a jarmulke, since Poland is nothing but a bunch of undereducated villagers,unlike you of course. I wonder who wants to go there and what for are you applying for it's citizenship ?
15. I#2, 5, 8 etc. Great job in causing antisemitism
Adam ,   Haifa   (04.17.08)
No time and space to teach you 1000 years of Polish-Jewish history. No time and space to explain what open wounds are on both sides. Just a few facts and questions for you to reflect on: Starting from late middle ages and up to WWII Poland had the largest Jewish population in the world. Why would the Jews immigrate to the supposedly most-Jew-hating country? When Poland was occupied by Prussia, Austria and (mostly) Russia (1795-1918) the situation of Jews quickly worsened. Russian government had harsh measures against Jews, e.g. banning them from "Russia proper". How possible, if you claim Poles were the biggest Jew-haters? Only in occupied Poland the Germans introduced death punishment for helping the Jews. And not just death for the "perpetrator", but for the whole household. Now, why would they do that, if there would be "enthusiastic help" from Poles? Polish resistance's reports on the atrocities of German death camps were ignored by the Americans, despite being delivered directly to Roosevelt. Also ignored by the leaders of American Jewry. Why was it more convenient for them to disbelieve? (look up: Jozef Karski) And why it is now that American Jews accuse Poles of antisemitism much more often than Israelis? Due to the war Poland lost about 6mil people (half of them Jews) out of 35mil. Despite being the first to militarily oppose Nazi Germany, Poland was betrayed by the western Allies and also lost half of its pre-war territory to the Soviet Union (received some land in the west, in German territories thoroughly pillaged by the Red Army). The country was devastated by Germans and Soviets and whatever was left was used to rebuild. Also, Poland never received proper compensation for war losses. Why now Poland should pay back for whatever Jewish property Germans took/destroyed? After WWII, when Poland was taken over by the Soviets, in a country with now less than 1% Jews - 30% of communist political police was Jewish communists. In the most cruel stalinist period. How do you expect that no Pole will remember that? Nowadays, synagogues are burned in France, Germany, recently in the US - not in Poland. Are "Polish antisemites" setting these fires when on vacation? And yes, I am Polish of course.
16. #4 Greg
Jay3 ,   Israel   (04.17.08)
If you were walking down a street at night near Tel Aviv, say in Ramat Gan, and were speaking Polish, you would probably get an illegal Polish hooker coming up and offering you a discount.
17. From a Polish person..
Ewa ,   Poznan, Poland   (04.17.08)
Why Jews keep telling me over and over that I'm anti-Semitic !? I'm NOT !! You Jews are anti-Polish ! Your knowledge of the Holocaust and Polish history (YOUR HISTORY AS WELL) is pathetic. What do they teach you in schools ? Do they teach you only about Jedwabne and Kielce ? Poland, unlike other EU countries, is very sympathetic to Israel and Poles in general are very sympathetic to Israelis but if you will continue repeating us that we hate you, them one day your wish may come true.
18. #16 Jay
Vicky ,   USA   (04.17.08)
In Israel you can only meet Polish hookers as you are saying,so aren't you afraid of antysemitism being spread out freely by letting them in to Israel,or you do not like your kosher hookers too much? I would say that this business is thriving all over the world so I doubt that Polish women have to go to the least friendly country to earn a living this way. In the future have a little more respect for us since not all of us like to serve stupid man,whenever they may be,kosher or not.
19. About the best Israel friends ....
Raven ,   Worcester, UK   (04.17.08)
How is it happened that the best friend of Israel almost exterminate all East European Jews ? Try to say that you are Jew in Germany, in the night, if you wish.
20. I wonder ,...
split ,   Seattle area , usa   (04.17.08)
If Poland was so bad for Jews it makes me wonder why they kept coming and coming and coming like the energizer bunnyf from other parts of Europe for 800 years looking for asylum ,... I wonder why there were more Jews in Poland in 1939 and before 1939 (3.5 million) than in the rest of european countries , including Soviet Union ??? ,...
21. It's a start
Mark ,   Lodz   (04.17.08)
I think that this is a great start for Israeli-Polish /Polish-Israeli relations and an opportunity to go forward like with Germany. Jewish-Polish relations go back a long way and are extremely complicated, entwined with the twists and turns of Polish history. I've been living here for nearly 4 years and, yes, there are surely places where it's inadvisable to wear a yarmulka. However, most people I've met here are really fine and far from anti-semitic... Don't forget that the Nazis also wiped out 3 million Poles, many from the inteligensia - doctors, lawyers etc . And, yes, there are probably quite a few anti-semitic yokels with a drink problem that need to blame - why not us Jews? for their failure. The Jewish-Polish issue is really, really complex ...but hey,.....this is a great opportunity to go forward, to forgive and not forget and get a life!
22. Jewish version of Polish WW2 history:
Stefan ,   Warsaw Poland   (04.18.08)
Poland was attacked by the some Nazis in 1939. Soon after Poles with Nazi help build concentration camps like Auschwitz were they murdered Jews. Nazi Poles also established Ghettos were they kept all the Jews before sending them to the Polish Death Camps. Jews who survived the war were soon killed by Poles simply for trying to get their property back. Whoever was lucky to survived post war massive pogroms and killings left for Israel or America. Now Polish government is refusing to return Jewish property stolen by the Polish Nazis meanwhile every other Polish citizen was able to get back their property plus 50 million dollars cash compensations. I hope you all happy now :)
23. polish antisemites
Dana Rothschild ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (04.18.08)
of course not every pole is an antisemite.... but here I see one vicky, writing on the polish forum as I-love-2-bike and one split...... go to the http://forum.gazeta.pl/forum/71,1.html?f=50 and see, what they are writing about the jews, israelis and israel.... and you will find polish antisemitism par excellence....
24. To #21
Rick ,   USA   (04.18.08)
Forgive what ? I understand that you meant to forgive Jews for collaboration with the Soviets in 1939 and for helping to establish post war Polish communist government, right? Or you meant that Jews should "forgive" the Poles for letting them live and prosper in Poland for 1000 years ?
25. to Stefan
Dana Rothschild ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (04.18.08)
your irony is not so funny.... the truth is, that there were poles, who helped jews, risking their and theirs families lives..... but there were also other poles, who denounced jews and even murdered them... I don't think it's funny to make jokes about these times....
26. Poland: catholic supremacy and nationalism
Gabor ,   Budapest, Hungary   (04.18.08)
I completely agree! Poland is one of the most catholic, i.e. the most anti-semitic, and the most homophobic countries of Europe. Anti-Jewish sentiments are very strong, even if in Poland there isn't a big Jewish comuntiy anymore. I like Poland but I think Kaczinsky's Poland is a shame of Europe! Anti-semtism, "christian supremacy", and retarded homophoby are consequences of catholic dogmatic thinking.
27. Jews hate Poles.
Mirek ,   Poland   (04.18.08)
Jews can walk safe on the streets of Polish towns, NO PROBLEM. Unlike in other EU countries, nobody burns Synagogues here or attacks Jews. Jugging by these full of hate anti-Polish comments however, as a Pole, I would honestly be afraid to walk at night in Tel Aviv. Jews hate Poles, no doubt about it. !! What strikes me the most however is that, unlike the Poles, Jews LOVE the Germans. What a joke !!
28. @ 23, 25
Adam ,   Haifa   (04.18.08)
There are Poles who dislike Jews, and there are Jews who dislike Poles. But the examples you refer to, from your discussions in this Polish forum... I had a look at just a few posts. Well, if *any* disagreement on policy or criticizing of Israel or Jews is antisemitic, *then* you are right calling them antisemites. In this case, how do you call the claims and insults as voiced here, by #2, 5, 8, 10, 16, 26? Are they antipolonism and anti-Polish propaganda, or is there no such thing? As to helpers vs. denouncers during the Holocaust: in an occupied country, ruled mercilessly by Nazi Germans, it usually took a whole network of courageous people (plus a passive goodwill of the whole community) to save just one Jew or one Jewish family. Putting at risk whole family of the helper, no less. To denounce them - one evil person was enough. Or even just bad luck... Some Jewish survivors say openly they wouldn't risk their own families to save Poles, had the situation been reversed. And it is very fair of them to admit that. So, please, do not build a false "balance" between the helpers and denouncers.
29. @27 in general Jews do not hate Poles
Adam ,   Haifa   (04.18.08)
Some probably do (and vice versa). But generalizations like that help neither side. Unfortunately, too often we get into this spiral of "you hate me!" "no, you hate me!".
30. To Dona #25
Stefan ,   Warsaw Poland   (04.18.08)
Dana, sorry for that sarcastic way of expressing myself but some of the ignorant anti-Polish posts here are not worth to be serious. In anyway, I apologize if I have hurt you by making fun of these times. P.S. Of course there were good Poles and bad Poles just like there were good Jews and bad Jews. Some unfortunately don't know that.
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