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Rabbi calls for 'rehabilitation of gays'
Kobi Nahshoni
Published: 23.04.08, 19:32
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31. #9- Jerrold- Misinformation
LEE ,   NY, USA   (04.24.08)
What you state is a "scientific fact" is far from it in reality. The study which I assume you're refering to was done by neuroscientist Simon LeVay and in his research he did not use an objective study group as the brains he studied were mostly from men who had died of AIDS. Therefore many other scientists point out that it is not clear whether the differences in the size of the hypothalumus were related to the disease or to sexual preferences. Your subjectiveness has turned one single hypothesis rapidly into a "fact". You are wrong and you are misinforming the public. For thos with sexual tendencies looking for counseling I encourage you to visit a brilliant organization known as Jonah. Here's the link: http://www.jonahweb.org/
32. Gee #19, that's really clever!
Mark ,   Los Angeles   (04.24.08)
33. Sorba, and Baruch
Daniel ,   NYC   (04.24.08)
When you can't come up with anything except an ad hominem attack, you may as well concede the point, Baruch. Sorba is a College Republican from some state school in CA, and hardly an authority worth quoting. Certainly not worth spending 10 mins on, regardless of my sexual orientation (which, even if I had disclosed it, would not be relevant to the discussion). From the way he speaks, I'm surprised he passed high school history. Are you guys related, by any chance?
34. Israel is a good place for gays, but these Rabbis don't help
Matt Hoffman ,   Boston, USA   (04.24.08)
What the Rabbi apparently doesn't know is that every species of mammal has been observed displaying homosexual and bisexual behavior, so homosexuality is very much a part of nature.
35. Torah perspective
A ,   B   (04.24.08)
suggested reading [hebrew] http://hebpolitics.blogspot.com/
36. and howabout the rapist and gay rabbis disease?
eddie ,   london UK   (04.24.08)
The Chief rabbi of Kiryat Bialik raping woen, includig married women. Is that not a disease? And the many many other cases of sexual abuse - eg Yeshivat Netiv Meir; Mercaz Harav, et etc. First clean up your own "backyard" no pun intended. Generally I like Rabbi Arussi - he is a wise man. But the rabbis have been infected with the illness of sexual abuse, so they r not in a position to condemn homosexuality, when they practice it themselves.
37. Science v religion v opinion
Ilan ,   Ariel   (04.24.08)
The scientific evidence is ambiguous but that is a side issue. This is simply a matter of two opinions that differ.
38. rabbi calls for rehabilitation of gays
jonathan ,   london uk   (04.24.08)
to the best of my knowledge rabbi arussi is also a professor of law.
39. Gay community urge immediate
Lior   (04.24.08)
treatement & rehabilitation of Rabbis for brainwashing
40. Homosexuality is a natural response to over population
Orli   (04.24.08)
41. 21: Do you fall that easily for Palestinian propaganda, too?
Global Citizen ,   Israel & USA   (04.24.08)
Perhaps you also believe that rape happens because the guy just really likes the girl, and if she "just relaxed" she'd enjoy it. It's a good thing you're tucked away safely from the facts in a country that follows hatred blindly.
42. #2 is right
Miriam Gutman ,   Dallas, TX   (04.24.08)
The rabbi is also right. Homosexuality is a disease of the soul
43. re: rehabilitation for gays
Craig ,   Murrieta, USA   (04.24.08)
I support all of Rabbi Arussi's statements except one: that Christians are "sentenced to celibacy." While certain denominations require celibacy of their priests, a Christian man and wife are not required to practice celibacy. Sex is a gift from G-d -- when used as He ordains.
44. History should teach us...
Soeren ,   Cologne/Germany   (04.24.08)
... to be at bit more open-minded towards people who decide for themselves to live their life a different way than we actually do – as long as they don't try to force others on their way. Furthermore, EVERYBODY is deviating a bit from this or that norm – it's called INDIVIDUALITY. Finally, about which norms we are talking? Social norms, statistical norms, biological norms? In a democracy norms should be not so important – leave that to dictatorships. Democracy values diversity in lifestyles, personality and opinions. Finally, I'm wondering that religious people so often want others to leave the country. What would the religious say if they should leave the country?
45. orthodox jews respond with violence
Tal ,   TLV   (04.24.08)
"orthodox Jews respond with violence in the face of open displays of homosexuality because they are ´shocked, hurt, and offended´." i feel the same way about many orthodox jews, the way they treat their women, the way they treat other jews, the way they treat non orthodox...and yet, i don't respond with violence towards them. i wonder who is sick here and who needs treatment...(certainly not me)
46. #29-gay sinagogue...
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (04.24.08)
OMG! Something is indeed very wrong. So ,when you read the Torah portion which clearly forbide homossexuality,what do you do?Do you just skip that part?
47. Straight myself, but know plenty who ain't
C McCoy ,   Canada   (04.24.08)
Any person who is carrying out all of his duties as a citizen (eg paying taxes, Reserve duty etc) and breaking no laws should be left in peace to live as he chooses.
48. Orthodox Gays
Aaron ,   NYC   (04.24.08)
We exist and are happy to be part of the Jewish community. Check out www.glydsa.org for GLBT Jewish information.
49. which day did Hashem create gays?
hanina   (04.24.08)
is that the same thing as taking fire and burning down buildings randomly? or is it that some of us are weak minded and allowed our souls to become corrupted? some things are obviously wrong to some people while others not. corruption is the invisable shield that alters our lives. if we watch the violent river flow downstream, we see that some cannot fight the current, while others are saved miraculously. which one do you want to be?
50. #46
INCognito ,   Brooklyn, USA   (04.24.08)
OMG! Something is indeed not very wrong. So, when you read the Torah portion which clearly forbids having hametz in the house, what do you do? Do you just reinterpret the line to mean that it's ok to officially sell hametz to someone but keep it in your house? I think that's what happens. People come up with new interpretations as time passes. And so, you just interpret the line in a new way.
51. Jews are better then this
Mike ,   USA   (04.24.08)
We jews are supposed to be above this type of ignorant behavior. We were the one behind the civil rights movement, and we have been the victums of hate in the past. We should know better.
52. the 1st step in treatment is....admitting you have a problem
which poofs never ,   admit to   (04.25.08)
53. Wow, an aweful lot of you gays turned up to post here.
Nat   (04.25.08)
Torah forbids homosexuality. There is no other interpretation. Hashem will not allow twisting of his law to suit todays liberal left.
54. #9 - fuzzy science
augustus ,   TN, USA   (04.25.08)
The fact that differences have been noted in the hypothalamus of homosexuals does not indicate any causality in causing homosexual attraction. But whatever differences are to be found in homosexuals' brains really has no bearing on the moral question of whether one SHOULD engage in homosexual behavior. The Creator dictates morality to us, not we to Him.
55. 26 Andy, true ,he also made Fred, but its
S Judah ,   London   (04.24.08)
quite clear that he doesn't approve of Steve and Fred mating. Perhaps it's a test, we all have tests, and perhaps this is a test to abstain even if the inclination is otherwise.
56. #50
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (04.24.08)
I will not enter in details on how I see the Hametz matter by now.I can give you many plausible answers. But could you give a "new way"on how to interpret "a man can not lie with another man as if he was a woman"?
57. Jerrold Cohen #9
Gerard ,   IL   (04.25.08)
So you are reinforcing the fact that the Rabbi was right. If a portion of the hypothalamus is slightly larger and the male has preference for males, not females. And the sex chrosome has a specific gene, then it is a medical condition or a defect that should be addressed. There are foundations and charitable trust to raise money for AIDS, cancer and heart diseases. There should be a foundation for research and cure to the defectuous chromosome and hypothalamus. Saying you are sick in not an offence. Mental illness is an illness as much as prostate cancer. Why deny that defectuous chromosome and hypothalamus is normal and carry on business as usual? Don't you think that if science and research were able to find a cure it would be beneficial for gays?
58. #23, Keren, have your brain checked
Yaakov ,   Chicago   (04.25.08)
Keren, go crawl back into your hole you sad, pathetic, ignorant, homophobic, diseased excuse for a human being. It is not IMPLICIT that "hossexuality" (sic) is an ABOMINATION. (Btw, PUTTING random WORDS in CAPS doesn't make you APPEAR any more INTELLIGENT.) The Torah stating that a man laying with another man is assur does not make BEING gay an abomination. But you obviously can't see past the end of your long homophobic nose to realize that. Also, the only one that needs to be treated for "perverssion" (sic) and hidden away is YOU, Keren. Now go away.
59. Gays are just that happy people in bright colors w/love in..
healthy heterosexual ,   Jerusalem   (04.25.08)
their hearts. Ain't a single thing wrong or unhealthy about that! I think this Rabbi is the one with the problem...it's called HOMOPHOBIA! Live and let live! Is the best way to go on this one!
60. The Homosexual Conundrum
Eliezer ,   Canada   (04.25.08)
The homosexualities are like the riddle of the Sphinx. One must approach this from a multi-dimensional perspective - religious, historical, anthropological, psychological, sociological, environmental, emotional, occultic, and political. One thing for sure, both in spiritual & physical terms, no human being is ever "born" to bugger, or be buggered by his fellow man. Homo-erotic acts are a corruption of both the natural & spiritual orders of creation. Recent research reveals one crucial aspect the homo-erotic dysfunction as a failure of early psycho-gender imprinting. Young boys require the presence, example and protection, of a benevolent & strong male role model, ideally a father. Gender imprinting is key to a healthy self-identity, which is facilitated in such benevolent gender affirmative rituals as, Upshirin, or a Jewish boys first haircut done communally at the age of three. Male youth are inducted into a Jewish fraternal, vs homo-erotic Hellenistic/Roman brotherhood. Whereas the warrior is central to the homo-erotic cult, the family resides at the pinnacle of any Biblically Jewish society. Acting out homo-erotically, is an attempt to compensate for other issues which often remain concealed to the individual. There is also the two sides of homosexualism, wherein one aspires to seduce heterosexual males, whereas the other, a more predatory form of homosexuality, seeks the "outlet" of young boys and comrades, like SA Captain Ernst Roehm's National Socialist Brown Shirted Storm Troopers - Militant "gays" from the rank of Sargent up. The first step for positive change of one encumbered by a homo-erotic focus, is a desire to grow & change. Just as freedom is the natural state of man, so too is heterosexuality the natural & normal psycho-sexual disposition of all truly mature human beings. Positive & benevolent masculinity is not a given, it must be inculcated and earned.
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