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Homosexuality isn’t perversion
Rabbi Chaim Navon
Published: 03.06.08, 17:09
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61. a bit disingenuous, rabbi
Simcha ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (06.04.08)
The Torah doesn't prescribe the death penalty for eating non-kosher. On the other hand, it does call for the death penalty for adultery. What's the connection between this sinful relationship and the other sinful relationship? They both undermine the family unit and threaten the continued viability of the community. What makes homosexuality stand out for special revulsion is it's adherents' insistence on public displays and demanding public acceptance. As long as people sinned in private, no one paid any attention to it. According to the Torah, sins done in private are between the person and God, but once it is done openly and 'proudly," the public becomes party to it and has the responsibility to stop it or share in its punishment.
62. Rabbi - may a farmer marry his favourite cow?
Jack ,   San Diego, USA   (06.04.08)
63. 39 Craig Crawford: How very sad your words are to me because
Rivkah   (06.04.08)
my mother persuaded my aunt Dolly Pettis to accept her daughter Ruth Pettis' homosexuality. The lesbian pair showed up at my mother's home with aunt Dolly Pettis who stayed there and I refused to see them even though I lived in the same city at the time. I was not going to be a partaker of their evil deeds by being cordial or pretending approval. My mother comforted Dolly Pettis by telling her Solomon's wives must have turned to being lesbians waiting for their turn with Solomon, so female homosexuality was not the evil in my mother's mind as male homosexuality. The Bible makes it quite clear both are an abomination to the Lord. How sad to think my mother sent herself to hell trying and succeeding in getting her preacher's widow sister-in-law to accept what is unacceptable to God. Then, my mother took two female homosexuals she was not related into her home, trying to be liberal. They alienated her to her family to get my mother to give them her home when she died. My mother sat at the table of devils and perhaps lost her place at the Lord's table.
64. #34 In the begining God made Man&Woman PERFECT. No genetic
defects. Yours is a ,   CHOICEof rebellion.   (06.04.08)
65. #45 A person is born gay? You're as dumb as a box of rocks!!
Lot ,   Sodom   (06.04.08)
66. Homosexuality
Israel   (06.04.08)
Don't we living here in Israel have biggerfish to fry? Who cares what two consenting adults do in their own homes! It is more important for us to deal with Iran & Syria trying to obtain nuclear weapons. It is alsomore important to get our gas masks backand bomb shelters built beforeI srael goes after Iran. It is also more important to get a govin powerhere that will do what needsto be done regardlessof the international community! Homosexuality is the least of ourproblems!
67. This is an erroneous article
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (06.04.08)
The prohibition against eating dairy and meat together is specifically for Jews, and is among the 613 mitzvos to which Jews and only Jews are obligated. More generic prohibitions, considered obligatory on anyone in a civilized society, are contained in the seven Noachide mitzvos. Among them are prohibitions agains murder, theft, and eating the limb of a living animal. Few people would question these. Also among them is a prohibition against "sexual immorality". By that are meant such practices as bestiality, incest, and "sodomy", which is generally interpreted to apply to homosexual relationships. So, a rabbi who equates the two prohibitions does not really comprehend the importance to all humanity of prohibiting sexual immorality. It is impossible to respect such a rabbi.
68. Death Penalty
fred ,   brooklyn, usa   (06.04.08)
You cannot compare the seriousness of homosexuality in the Torah to eating pork or taking back an ex-wife after she already married someone else. The penalty for homosexuality is death by stoning. It is compared to beastiality which is listed in the same paragraph. Furthermore, the Torah lists homosexuals among those that were cursed on Mount Eival. Rabbi, there is no comparison to those sins that you mentioned, even though they are all "abominations".
69. # 49
Thomas   (06.04.08)
I agree that anyone who harrasses or violates the basic right of gays should be prosecuted to the fiullest extent of the law as if they violated the rights of anyone else. That's just common sense. Furthermore, for me, there is no double standard. I never heard of the Love Parade but if women are dressedm in the manner you describe they should be banned too and those women should have been arrested. Finally, as a Sinophile I share your hatred of Benizri who once complained about being served by a Chinese waiter in Tel Aviv, "why do I have to be waited on by a slant-eye?" He's a racist and Shas should be rid of him.
70. Rivka's posts
observer   (06.04.08)
Rivka, from what you write, you are clearly a cristian. Why on earth have you traveled so far (in cyberspace) to search for this subject to peddle your trash? Isn't our own fundamentalist backyard big enough? You need real help, ma'am. No I'm not gay. Yes I am Jewish, and strictly orthodox to boot.
71. To #60
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (06.05.08)
Unlike a lot of presumptious people, I have no intentions to "lead" anyone anywhere they don't want to go. If the way I live my life doesn't speak for itself, all the quoting, explaining and expounding on chapters and verses in any book don't mean a thing. As for the bible, to me it is a historical record of the Jewish people written by human beings. Between some rather horrible "smitings" there are glimpses of outstanding suggestions on how to get along with one's fellow men to which, from the mess we're in, nobody, Jews and Gentiles included, pays much attention. Nevertheless, there are millions of people on the planet who have never seen a bible and who are a lot more spiritual than bunches of the most avid believers in the bible put together. Sorry, but I'm just not much on religion of any kind. And no, that doesn't make me an Atheist.
72. # 70 Please. Everyone Knows You're Muslim
(06.05.08)
and Rivka posts here everyday. She didn't just find this article.
73. #18 Yaakov Sullivan - Arafat had love affairs with other men
Jake ,   USA   (06.05.08)
and he was not a man of peace. J.Edgar Hoover, director of the FBI, was not a tolerant, peaceful man. He persecuted those with democratic ideals. Sexual behavior has NOTHING to do with peacefulness. I could go on but you must be well aware of this.
74. Wrong, 'rabbi'
Ephraim ,   NYC/Kfar Tapuach   (06.05.08)
If it is an abomination, we treat them accordingly. "Would we treat someone who brought back his divorced wife with the same level of zealous revulsion? " YEs we should.
75. 72. Thank you. Rivkah
(06.05.08)
76. #73 Arafat NEVER had a love affair w/men it was sodomy pure
and simple. ,   Rueben, Israel   (06.05.08)
77. #73 Absolutely not. Arafat was a sweetheart he was spiritual
Yaakov Sullivan ,   NYC   (06.05.08)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXo8X7LK95M
78. Homosexuality is an abomination. Not keeping Kosher is not.
Yosef   (06.05.08)
It is an abomination, an abomination, an abomination. And it does not matter what you call it or stop calling it, H! Still called an abomination and as such will stay
79. What about my rights as a mother?
Chani ,   Modiin, Israel   (06.05.08)
Not insulting them is not the same as allowing them to have a parade which will pollute the minds of our children and desecrate the nature of the holiest city in the world.
80. Eli , Brooklyn
bar ,   Israel   (06.05.08)
People who drive on Shabbat do it at Yafo street , in other streets . Non kosher restaurants are open in the whole country . From the moment that this will be prohibited , people will certainly demonstrate too . Those gays are fighting for their rights . They can live together for many years , but if one of them dies , the second one has problems regarding inheritance . That's only one of the items they want to be corrected .
81. 1000 Years Later We Are Told Why Sodom Was Destroyed ...
Craig Crawford ,   Laguna Niguel USA   (06.05.08)
Through the prophet Ezekiel (a thousand years after they were destroyed), God tells us why He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ... "This was the iniquity [sin] of your sister Sodom: She (Sodom) and her daughter (Gomorrah) had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy, and they were arrogant (haughty) ... Therefore, I (God) took them away as I saw fit." (He utterly destroyed them with fire ...) (Ezekiel 16:49-50) In these verses, God links open homosexuality in a society to sinful 'pride' and 'arrogance'... the sin of Satan. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed ('cleansed' with fire) because they were filled with pride and arrogance while flaunting their sexual immorality and their homosexuality openly before God. They mocked God and they had no fear of God. They were also found guilty of having 'fullness of food' without acknowledging God who provided it, and having 'an abundance of idleness' in the land (basically they ate, drank, watched TV, and allowed their 'Gay Pride' parades, while filling the lusts of their eyes and the lusts of their flesh ... the people had become so de-sensitized to sin they even stood by as their 'gays' tried to 'gang-rape' the two men/angels God sent to warn Lot ... and their bars, shopping malls, and pornography web-sites were bustling) ... while their worthless priests, rabbis, ministers, and 'reverends' were assuring the people in the pews that God's Word and God's Law didn't really mean what it said and didn't really apply to them and they could continue to do whatever felt good or right in 'their own eyes,' even when in direct opposition to God's Law. All of this reflected their lack of belief and their arrogant and rebellious attitudes toward God and His Word. Sin meant nothing to them and there was no fear of God. Would these charges indict and convict any people or nation(s) you know today? God's judgment against Sodom was was also given as a warning! The Bible warns the coming 'Apocalypse' will be like the judgment against Sodom (only worse), and this time it will come against the whole world!  Our time is short. God is pleading with us to stop (repent of) our sinful ways and return to Him before it's too late. With open arms and with tears of joy He will welcome any and all who willingly return to Him through the One He sent forth to save us sinners ... Yeshua/Jesus ... the promised Messiah. And, as with Lot (and as with Enoch before the Flood), God promises to remove ('Rapture') those who will sincerely return to Him in faith before the coming 'Apocalypse,' which the Bible also calls 'the Great Tribulation,' 'the Time of Jacob's [Israel's] Trouble,' 'the Day of the Lord,' the 'Time of the End,' and the 'Day of God's Wrath' ... The Bible ALSO warns Sodom and Gomorrah were given as an "example" for coming generations ...  "As Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, ( 5 cities were destroyed including Sodom and Gomorrah) having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, (homosexuality) are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7)  "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them (Sodom and Gomorrah) to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly ..." (2 Peter 2:6) Grace and Shalom, www.alphanewsdaily.com www.theprophecies.com
82. To #63 Rivkah ... Finding Hope For A Heavy Heart
Craig Crawford ,   Laguna Niguel USA   (06.05.08)
Remember ... "We know that ALL things work together for good, to those who love God ..." (Romans 8:28) ... and I think you love God. "Forgetting (completely and absolutely) that which lies behind, and reaching forward to what lies ahead." (Philippians 3:13) "Fix your thoughts on whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy - meditate on these things." (Philippians 4:8) It is difficult with family and friends. We pray earnestly, try to plant the seeds of God's Word, we remember how far away from God we once were (before our sins were washed clean through the innocent blood of the Lamb) ... and then put our faith, hope, and trust in the Lord, for He is good. If He was willing to save us ... He can save anybody. Grace and Shalom ...
83. To # 70 , observer
bar ,   Israel   (06.05.08)
Yes you are right , this rivka is not Jewish at all , she only stole her Jewish name . She was rejected by everyone , and loves only pets [ she wrote it ! ] She is also specialised in recommending her own posts , and then tells to others they are jealous of her .
84. 18 Yaakov: Unless they broke up. Then they would be more
Rivkah   (06.06.08)
likely to kill each other.
85. 82 Craig Crawford: God chooses who He will show mercy to
Rivkah   (06.06.08)
and it is not by blood (kinship to a believer), flesh (the person wanting to be saved), or the will of man (another wanting the person to be saved), but of God the first chapter of John tells us. Revelation lists the types of sinners who go to hell if they do not repent. Even if people do repent, it must be before the day of the Lord's visitation. Judas Iscariot repented but went to hell or the abyss as the son of perdition since a person of that title comes back in the last days of Gentile world rule. The only 100% sure way of finding God's mercy is to seek him early. There is much to be thankful for and positives to think about. The little book of Revelation that is sweet in the mouth (one's own salvation, for example) is bitter in the belly (that people you care about are not and cannot be saved because they do not find the mercy of God). None deserve God's mercy, but a few find it or are given it by God. There are multitudes who are self-deceived hearers only of the word and not doers who will be utterly surprised at their exclusion from heaven.
86. WHY ARE PEOPEL NICER IN A BAR THAN A SYNOGOGUE?
petra ,   USA   (06.06.08)
OR CHURCH? OR MOSQUE? PERHAPS THEIR NOT BUSY THINKING OF WHAT'S RELIGIOUS AND CONCENTRATE FIRST ON NICE MANNERS. I ALWAYS SAY, 'IVE MET NICER PEOPLE IN BARS THAN 'HOUSES OF WORSHIP. LESS HYPOCRACY, LESS JUDGING. SOME OF THE 'RELIGIOUS' I WOULDN'T BE SEEN DEAD WITH.
87. #86, Petra. Because they're drunk and want to have fun.
Baruch ,   Boston, USA   (06.06.08)
88. # 87 NOT ALWAYS, MOST ARE LESS JUDGMENTAL.
petra ,   USA   (06.08.08)
AND LESS HYPOCRITICAL. BOOZE IS NOTHING BUT TEMPORARY, RELIGION IS PERMANENT.
89. 86 Petra: The devil is more active in houses of worship than
Rivkah   (06.08.08)
in bars because he knows more people in bars are already in his camp so he does not have to work as hard there. Yeshua found a problem in synagogues, too. The problem he said was that religious UNbelievers are children of the devil. There are people who go to houses of worship whose hearts are far from God, who honor God with their lips only. There is only one reason acceptable to God for heavy drinking: a heavy heart. It is good to drink a LITTLE wine for your stomach's sake and often infirmities, Solomon said. But to drink a lot when the justification of a heavy heart is not there, is sin. Alcohol opens a person up to demon influence if one is not watchful. Many more people are in prisons because of doing something wrong after drinking alcohol than are in prison for doing something wrong from going to synagogue. Religious UNbelievers often get away with crimes unlike drunks from a bar. Look at all the people who have been murdered in the name of Jesus or Allah or Buddha or whoever is worshipped who have not been prosecuted through the ages.
90. # 89 RIVKAH I DISAGREE.
petra ,   USA   (06.09.08)
AS A PROFESSIONAL SINGER I'VE MET MORE FINE PEOPLE IN BARS WHO HAVE BETTER MANNERS THAN SOME OLD DEVIL WHO WANTS TO 'SAVE MY SOUL' WHILE TRYING TO TAKE MY MONEY, WHILE POSING AS A MAN OF G-D. 'PREACHERS' AREN'T NECESSARY WHEN SEEKIN G-D. G-D NEEDS NO MIDDLE MAN WHO WANTS TO CHARGE ME TO GO TO HELL IN HIS FASHION. MOST 'CHRISTIANS' I KNOW ARE THE WORST HYPOCRITES OF ALL. THEY KNOW NOTHING OF THE LAW OR WHAT PLEASES THE G-D OF ISREL. TO THEM IT'S A BUSINESS W/ UNIONS, PENSIONS, ETC.YOU GO YOUR WAY, I'LL GO MINE. LET'S BOTH GO IN PEACE. SHALOM.
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