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'Samaria Pact' condemns evacuation bill
Efrat Weiss
Published: 09.09.08, 00:34
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1. Enough is enough
Michael ,   Haifa   (09.09.08)
If they want civil war, then so be it !
2. west bank settler country
alexi   (09.09.08)
The west bank originally israeli, is a disputed territory having various populations in modern times without a national country. Israeli political leaders do not really want it, rather the settlers believe in it and about 250,000 have developed it which is more than the arabs have done. In any case, perhaps settler leaders should establish the kingdom of judea and samaria apart from israel. Arabs will only use it to attack israel proper. kosovo, osettia are now new entities so its time the settler community established their own community. In line with this, you need at least a police force and an army. Work on it so that you don't need israel to defend you. I support you. Arabs ask where do the arab inhabitants go. Live in peace or move them to Jordan. End of story. olmert, livni, barak, rabin, peres, ben amir, beilin never really believed in it and only used as a concession stand to beg arabs for peace. Likewise, it may be necessary to establish the kingdom of golan to prevent its trade to syria. Olmert knows he will be indicted and is likely to be convicted.So he intends to damage israel by doing shelf agreements that screw it. Rabin never approached what Olmert is doing.
3. time for Kadima grasshoppers to evict themselves
Marcel ,   Florida   (09.09.08)
Let Olmert,Barak,Livni who want to remove fellow Jews from their homes give up their homes to the Islamic terrorists
4. a totally failed policy! no more land given up!
Mark Katzman ,   San Francisco, USA   (09.09.08)
More power to the settlers! Enough is enough...stop already with this failed demoralizing policy-it doesn't work! Wait, when all of the ayrabs join to go at Israel again, you'll wish that Israel hadn't given up anything.
5. LOGICALLY: If the West Bank is disputed territory,
Miriam ,   Israel   (09.09.08)
why should Arabs get it?
6. Hasn't
Miriam ,   Israel   (09.09.08)
this government openly seen G-d's hand on those who hurt His children with the cruel expulsion of 10,000 Jews from their homes in the Jewish homeland - Sharon's Heavenly punishment and Olmert's Heavenly punishment and others?
7. # 5 - Settlers Jewish Trailer Trash
Lea ,   Ramat HaSharon   (09.09.08)
Compensation? for stealing land, these fanatics should be forcibly removed and those who make trouble should be thrown in Jail where they belong.
8. The bigger picture
Kim ,   Israel   (09.09.08)
People move homes - not such a big deal. The bigger picture is, what are we, Israel, going to get for uprouting these people? Do we get Gilad back? do we get a promise that there will be some sort of shakey peace over here? what do WE get?
9. Israel will not survive without yesha
trumpeldor ,   eurabia   (09.09.08)
With the gush katif disaster,you alienated the last pillar of zionism:kippot tsrugot Do you really want to lose it forever with such a stupid proposal from a lame duck PM and a young ladies mouth kissers called ramon ???
10. Only pocket fascists and brownshirts need fear
Ilan ,   Ariel   (09.09.08)
In a democracy people are allowed to work to preserve their rights. Only in dysfunctional countries do leaders on the verge of going to prison set national policy.
11. #7 - Want real trailer trash - look in your mirror
YMBMY ,   Modiin, Israel   (09.09.08)
Honestly - read up on your facts - while there maybe some highly publicized incidents of Jews reclaiming land that Arabs dispute, history supports the fact that the "occupied land" was not occupied until the Jews laid claim to the land. Don't believe me? read Mark Twain and others. Unfortunately your bias will probably cloud your ability to accept the facts and you will continue to support a corrupt government so long as your home in Ramat Hasharon is not claimed as "stolen Arab land", which they have done, too. I scoff at ignorant people who believe that when the settlers are removed, the Arabs will suddenly give up on their desire for the destruction of Israel. They never have and they themselves say they never will.
12. Israeli Map Says West Bank Posts Sit on Arab Land
observer   (09.09.08)
An Israeli advocacy group has found that 39 percent of the land used by Jewish settlements in the West Bank is private Palestinian property, which the organization contends is a violation of international and Israeli law guaranteeing property rights in the occupied territories. The Settlement Watch project of Peace Now also disclosed that much of the land that Israeli officials have said would remain part of the Jewish state under any final peace agreement is private Palestinian property. That includes some of the large settlement blocs inside the barrier that Israel is building to separate Israelis from the Palestinian population in the West Bank. The report states that 86 percent of Maale Adumim on Jerusalem's eastern edge sits on private Palestinian land. A little more than 35 percent of the settlement of Ariel, which cuts deep into the northern West Bank, is also on private property. Israel's government has long maintained that the settlements, developed in large part with public money, sit on untitled property known as "state land" or on property of unclear legal status. Israeli courts have ruled that unauthorized outposts erected on private Palestinian property must be razed, although those orders are rarely carried out. How can the occupier use its legal system to impose legality on ownership of disputed land (by the occupier’s admission), let alone occupied territory? The settlement enterprise has, since its inception, ignored Israeli law and undermined not only the collective property rights of the Palestinians as a people, but also the private property rights of individual Palestinian landowners. The settlements occupy a total of 15,271 acres of private Palestinian land. The Israeli government did not annex the West Bank after the 1967 war -- keeping the Palestinian population there from voting in the Jewish state -- and soon began sponsoring settlement construction in the territories. International law has been widely interpreted to prohibit civilian settlement or construction on land occupied during war. The West Bank has been under Ottoman, British, Jordanian and Israeli control over the past century, leaving a highly complicated land registry and murky title in many cases. The private property in the West Bank is the land registered by Palestinians before 1968, when Israel stopped the process, and cultivated land that Israel recognizes as private under Ottoman law. Even the annexation of East Jerusalem by Israel is not recognized internationally. 54 percent is so-called state land while nearly 6 percent is designated "survey land," meaning its legal status is unclear. Israel most commonly seizes private land citing "military purposes." That designation leaves the land in the name of its Palestinian owners but gives control to the Israeli army for a period that can be extended indefinitely. In other cases, Palestinians are offered compensation by the Israeli government, something they usually refuse in protest. The data — maps that show the government’s registry of the land by category — was given to Peace Now by someone who obtained it from an official inside the Civil Administration. 15,000 acres or 39 percent of the developed area of the settlement is privately owned by the Palestinians; see the map at: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/21/world/middleeast/21land.html?_r=1&
13. #12 If you're quoting The NY Times & PeaceNow,
Miriam ,   Israel   (09.09.08)
you might as well quote some Arab media or even the anti-Israel's "Education" Minister Yuli Tamir. They all believe that the entire State of Israel - including Jerusalem, Tel-Aviv, Ashdod etc. - belongs to Arabs and they’ll find it for you in all their history books dated even before the Muslims existed.
14. #12 - unobservant observer
YMBMY ,   Modiin, Israel   (09.09.08)
Another person who needs to be reminded of the facts. Excuse me, Mr(s). "stateless" Observer, but that Peace Now report you quote was found to be vastly inaccurate and Peace Now ended up having to apologize for their shoddy "reporting". Look it up yourself, then give your opinion, as wrong as it may be.
15. #14 now confirmed by official data to be privately held land
observer   (09.10.08)
The new data, updated to the end of 2006, was provided officially by the Israeli government's Civil Administration, which governs civilian activities in the territories, in response to a lawsuit brought by Peace Now and the Movement for Freedom of Information in Israel in 2005. When the courts refused the request, the groups filed an appeal, and the earlier data was leaked to Peace Now. In January, the court ordered the Civil Administration to provide the data, in the form of digitized map information. The earlier data showed Maale Adumim containing 86 percent private Palestinian land, which seemed very high to its residents. According to the new data, however, only 0.54 percent of the settlement is listed as private land. The single case of Maale Adumim represents much of the difference in the total percentage of private land between the old and new data. Without the new Maale Adumim data, the difference between the old and new data is about one percentage point. In settlements west of the separation barrier, which Israel intends to keep and which include Maale Adumim, the amount of private land is 24 percent, compared with 41.4 percent in the earlier data. In settlements that Israel would presumably give up in any peace settlement, the percentage of private land is 40 percent, higher than the earlier official data, which was 36.4 percent. After the High Court of Justice ruling in the case of Elon More, a 1979 Israeli government resolution states that Israeli settlements in Judea, Samaria and Gaza shall be established only on State land. Hence, no settlement is to be established on other than State land. No Israeli settlement is to be established on survey land (to which the title is unclear). Surely no Israeli settlement is to be established on private Palestinian property. It is absolutely prohibited to establish outposts on private Palestinian property. Such an action may in certain circumstances become a felony
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