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Animal activists: Kapparot custom 'brutal abuse of animals'
Yoav Zeitun
Published: 06.10.08, 07:40
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1. These medieval morons
Sagi ,   Israel   (10.06.08)
also abuse human beings. Could we have some documention of this also ?
2. kaparot
Annie ,   Israel   (10.06.08)
If kaparot is abuse of animal then think about the chicken which you swallowed evrytime you eat chicken. eating is okay but using for kaparot(atone your sin) is abuse ????
3. EACH YEAR
ADI   (10.06.08)
EACH YEAR THE SAME DICUSSSION. AFTER KIPPUR ALL FORGET ABOUT IT.. AND TALKING ABOUT ABUSE : EATING CHICKEN IS NOT ABUSE? HORSE RACES NOT ABUSE, BULL FIGHTING IS NOT ABUSE???? COME ON... GIVE US A BREAK
4. Article contains incitement against religious Jews
SL ,   New York   (10.06.08)
In addition to falsehoods, this article is inciting against a sector of the community, namely the haredi Jews. The ritual does not mean, nor is it intended to mean, that one's sins are actually transferred to the animal. Rather, it is symbolism! The idea is to impress upon the person that it could be him / her who is due for slaughter. The foul is slaughtered and the meat is given to the poor. Will these anti-Jewish zealots who mount these campaigns next go after the Shomronim, or Arabs who slaughter goats and sheep during their religious ceremonies? Of course not. Will YNet publish an article decrying the practices of Arabs and other minorities? Of course not. It's only when haredi Jews are the target that all is permitted.
5. how many chicken would be enough to atone 35 years
observer   (10.06.08)
of humiliation.
6. Jewish Ritual slaughter is not painful to animals...
gedaliah   (10.06.08)
A certified shochet is only permitted to slaughter the animals. This is done very carefully with only with the sharpest knives in order to kill the animal the quickest and most painless way. If these rights groups want to make a real difference, they should stop eating non kosher meat that was not slaughtered under rabbinical supervision. These animals sometimes lay on the ground bleeding for minutes until finally dying because on the lack of knowledge. This can also be a human rights issue as well. Poor people need to eat. If this practice of slaughter was only to be performed in a slaughter house many families would not get a proper meal. One more thing, we have been doing this for 2 thousand years plus. I secular, anti-religious group of 50 people have no chance in stopping anything. You have a better chance to create dialogue with the rabbis to state your case and see if anything can be resolved that way. Going to the courts will solve nothing but more distance between groups and create more of a rift. That is not what Yom kippur is all about. We are being judged as an Am and need to act like one.
7. Barbaric cruelty
Simon ,   TA the free city   (10.06.08)
Well what should we expect from a bunch of religious lunatics? This barbaric practice should be illegal. This is tottaly discusting and goes against the animal cruelty laws. Well done to "LET LIVE" lets hope they are able to prosecute these animal abusers.
8. It's a vile and disgusting disregard for a helpless life
Talula ,   Israel   (10.06.08)
Annie and Gedaliah are a couple of Morons of the highest order if they do not truly believe that this is pure evil animal abuse. Only a sick-minded, backward barbarian could do something so abhorrent. We know that they have what to expiate, but using a helpless animal in this primitive ritual, every year, simply catapults them into another class of savagery – they know no boundaries. Children witness this despicable act and, as proved time and time again, animal abuse manifests itself in later years into abuse of humans – something the Haredi community are very well versed in.
10. Disgusting Barbarians - SAVAGES!!!!
Israel   (10.06.08)
11. No. 9 Talula
NYC Girl   (10.06.08)
You're absolutely right. In fact, the ASPCA in New York City has its own investigators who have full police powers and, believe me, these people mean business. Not only that, but anybody caught carrying out such an asinine and barbaric act would immediately be arrested on a felony animal cruelty charge.
12. To # 5 the "Observer" - Just one :^P
Nick ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (10.06.08)
You asked.
13. how is kaparot cruel?
bob ,   potomac, md usa   (10.06.08)
I myself don't do kaparot--I think it's stupid and nasty (do you like being deficated upon by a chicken? Wel, maybe as Isarealis you do--since you still have Olmert lurking aro9und) but cruel--the birds don't suffer from being gently held and turned around the head of the kaproee--if the animal rights people have problem-0-it seems that they are opposed to animal slaughter in general--and this is yet another opportunity to sound off. I too have witnessed chicken slaughter in Isrrael--and it is FASt--the shochet takes the bird and in less than a second, that mother is in HaOlam haBa--go to any tradtional market and you'll see that yourself--but the anti-slaughter people could care less if the bird dies by scheichita or from boredom--they are against it.
14. Ignorant comments - Not barbaric if done properly .
S Judah ,   London   (10.06.08)
1. The chickens need to slaughtered according to halacha as are all birds we eat. 2. The birds are distributed to the poor. 3. If volume makes it difficult to achive this, then money should be used as a substitute and given to the poor. 4. The Ari approved of the practice - why should we prefer the views of Let Live, Sagi,Israel,Simon etc above the Holy Ari?
15. Kaparot brutal, vegarianism shrinks brain...
yerushalmi ,   Jerusalem   (10.06.08)
http://www.newsmax.com/health/vegetarian_shrinks_brain/2008/09/16/131223.html
16. dear talula.....
sara ,   israel   (10.06.08)
umm... have you ever been in NY before yom kippur? do you know that in aaaalllllll the religious neighborhoods people stand around before dawn, have lines around the block, make noise, AND swing live chickens around their heads OUTSIDE and NOBODY gets their ass hauled off to jail. just so you know.
17. This article is lunacy, 10 BILLION animals are killed..
Murray ,   NY   (10.06.08)
in the US alone every year.
18. what is cruel about it?
yoni ,   jerusalem   (10.06.08)
I have not heard or seen anything cruel about picking up a chicken and swinging it around your head. animals are exposed to alot more traumatic situations naturally. I think these guys have a need to help but they are just misguided and overextending themselves in the wrong directions. why dont they go out and learn what nature says about the survival of the fittest and watch animals eat eachother are they opposed to that too? should we turn the lions into herbavores?
19. Say little and do much
Darren ,   Oakland, CA   (10.06.08)
Reuven Ladiansky and other members of Latet Lihiyot would be more persuasive in their message: a) by questioning whether the supposed "brutalization" of chickens during Kapparot renders them unfit for Kosher slaughter and therefore Treif; and b) actually performing Kapparot themselves on live TV with money. Speak to the religious in the language of the religious- Religion. Doing otherwise is as about as effective as talking to a brick wall.
20. #9 Talula
Eli ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (10.06.08)
Your hatre of obsevant Jews shows no bounds. I don't know why you even bother to read Ynet. For that matter don't know why you bother to live in Israel. Anyway you are a hypocrite since you respond to talkbacks from people living in America when you want to. Other times you say that you will only respond to those living in Israel. How consistant.
21. Kapparot custom 'brutal abuse of animals'Right, and
yhudi ,   palestine   (10.06.08)
Hevrot kadisha and Rabbanuts are brutal abuse of people. Live and dead.
22. #4: Exactly - yet another example of abhorent ultraOrthodox
5th generation ,   Israel   (10.06.08)
"transference" of men's sins outward - usually toward women, but here toward animals - instead of taking personal responsibility.
23. #7 SIMON
Jared ,   New York, USA   (10.06.08)
As someone who's lived in Tel aviv, I wonder: What is this "TA the free city" garbage that you append to your signature with every talkback? Enlighten me. How is Tel Aviv THE free city? How is it more free than any other secular Israeli city? And what do you mean by "free"?
24. Like an advert for KFC
Larry ,   zefat Israell   (10.06.08)
Colonel Sanders began like this ,humble beginnings.
25. Cruelty to animals is against the Haredi streams convictions
Yechiel ,   Jerusalem   (10.07.08)
This animal is not being hurt in any way by being put over someone's head. That it is slaughtered is okay since it is done the same way as in a slaughter house without any additions. Please why must we always see the bad in each other and not learn toleance?
26. unbelievable bigotry
l.a. ,   israel   (10.07.08)
I can't fathom how ynet allows such blatant hatred and unresearched stories. sins are not "transferred" to the chicken, it is symbolic. judaism is also the only religion with an actual halacha that you cannot abuse animals. shechita is completely based on that (no nicks in the knife, etc)
27. Sheckt Latet Lihyot, let the chikens live !
Snivilous Exellent   (10.07.08)
Or you can throw Latet Lihyot, over your shoulder and eat chicken !
28. Hey Talula you FOOL, obviously...............
Ierglib Drawde   (10.07.08)
you haven't been on Eastern Parkway ! What's Talula, Jerusalem a seudonym for EFRAT WEISS ? Hmmmm?
29. Kaparot with chickens are for girls...
Yerushalmi ,   Jerusalem   (10.07.08)
...real man use cows.
30. If HASHEM instituted & ordained this practice,who are you
pea brains to put it ,   down??? HEATHANS!!!!   (10.07.08)
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